Pistons Vs. Pacers

[kb315]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
The whole season? Thats terrible, and wallace needs to get more than 6, his actions are the root of the problem.

Wallace's suspension is actually a bit more severe because this is not the first time there has been a player retaliating to a foul. If the riot had not happened, Ben Wallace would have missed a game at most. The NBA was trying to differentiate between player-player interaction and player-fan interaction. They pretty much said to the players, under no circumstance should a player be allowed to enter the crowd.

 

[dr150]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...n_pacers_pistons_brawl

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: kb315
Wallace's suspension is actually a bit more severe because this is not the first time there has been a player retaliating to a foul. If the riot had not happened, Ben Wallace would have missed a game at most. The NBA was trying to differentiate between player-player interaction and player-fan interaction. They pretty much said to the players, under no circumstance should a player be allowed to enter the crowd.

IMO, I think its pretty stupid as a player to enter into the crowd, especially on an away game. Its like a twenty on one situation.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Throwing a beer at someone is assault.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm

This another thing that, again, I find annoying. Becoming a professional athlete shouldn't take away from your rights, IMO.

Read your link

Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

If someone throws beer on you and walks away you are not allowed to hit them.
Self-defense is allowed to stop a crime, not retaliate against a crime already committed.
If someone throws a beer on you and you have reason to believe that they are about to remain the aggressor and cause you bodily harm then you have the right to hit them.

You called throwing a beer at someone assault, and it is. That's unlawful force.


Ridiculous suspensions, by the way.

 

[hpkeeper]

Is artests suspension without pay??? or is it just a suspension? I mean, if that's the case, wasn't he the one complaining at the beginning of the season that he wanted to take a month off because he had been promoting his Rap album?

If it's just a suspension, he's essentially getting what he wants... time off. Except this is more time than he expected. It doesn't make sense. Also, does Artest have to be in attendance at games and practices despite the suspension?

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: hpkeeper
Is artests suspension without pay??? or is it just a suspension? I mean, if that's the case, wasn't he the one complaining at the beginning of the season that he wanted to take a month off because he had been promoting his Rap album?

If it's just a suspension, he's essentially getting what he wants... time off. Except this is more time than he expected. It doesn't make sense. Also, does Artest have to be in attendance at games and practices despite the suspension?

suspensions are usually without pay.

Artest is going to have to promote his album hard to make up the money he's going to miss

 

[hpkeeper]

does he have to practice with the team still? and does he have to be in attendence at the games? despite being suspended from playing in them?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Nitemare
The fans were asshats and deserved everything they got... :thumbsdown: to David Stern. You suck!

You really think that the fan who was at worst verbally taunting Artest deserved to be physically attacked by him?

Be careful what you ask for...you might just get it...

Ben Wallace started this whole crap and got off with a slap on the wrist. The fans started the physical assault on the players by throwing objects on them. The Pacers was just defending themselves. I'm a fan of neither teams and especiall Artest's no-rapping ability self. But hell, I'd buy him a beer for him not taking the crap and doing something about it. If there is any blame to be had in this whole mess it should be at the invisible security guards that didn't do jack.

 

[SP33Demon]

Bwahahahhaa look at studio gangsta Ron Artest hangin with studio thugs MOBB DEEP! bwahaha

From here:

ESPN.com: Is retirement something you're thinking about soon?

Artest: Not soon. I really, before I retire, I want to win a championship. I want to reach at least one of the things Michael Jordan reached.

Win a championship? Maybe in the CBA loser!!! You're now in the record books with MJ ahahhahaha

and

ESPN.com: You are working on an album of your own, right?

Artest: When I have off days, I go into the studio. But I'm not really anxious to drop mine (on the public). ? I'll be singing on some tracks and rapping on some tracks. I'm speaking to kids on there. There's no cursing. Kids can listen to it and adults can listen to it. ? When I do (release) it, you'll be able to download it. I'm not in it to make money. But don't download Allure -- go buy that album.

Speaking to the kids? bwahaha yes the ones in prison and juve will definitely look up to you!

This is great entertainment, thank you Ron Barf-fest. Looking on the bright side, at least you made the NBA we don't have to support your sorry butt in prison. :beer:

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: hpkeeper
does he have to practice with the team still? and does he have to be in attendence at the games? despite being suspended from playing in them?

not sure about the practicing. tonight, Ben, Chauncey, Elden and DC weren't at the game.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

I've never seen that... Artest is a beast. Granted, Big Ben is moreso, but that doesn't mean Artest, at 6'7" 247 (and he's NOT fat), is gonna back down. He restrained himself, and that was commendable, it doesn't make him a pussy (but apparently he's supposed to restrain himself when something is thrown at him from the stands immediately after... whatever).

AND OF COURSE THE FEKIN NBA AGREES WITH YOU. The NBA wants to restore some kind of credibility to the damned sport. Sure, Artest and them should be suspended, but NOT for that long. It was fuggin self defense no matter how you look at it. Yes, it was an untimely foul, but you could say the same thing about Ben's reaction... The game was over, why start something like that? Why didn't he just take it like a man, because apparently when Ron Artest is provoked that's what he has to do? We all know it was against the rules, and that's all well and good, but what these fans did was ridiculous and I can't see blaming solely Artest for this incident as so many of you do. When you become a professional athlete, you aren't paid to give up your right to self defense. He was hit in the face with a plastic bottle full of liquid IMMEDIATELY after restraining himself during a near-fight that surely had his adrenaline pumping already. I'm sorry, but if you think what Artest did was wrong and that the fans weren't the main problem here, you have issues (and, by the way, the latest ESPN poll shows most of America saying it was the fans that were at fault, so you are, in fact, in the minority, and not vice versa).

You are suggesting that Artest didn't back down to Big Ben? lmfao He was shook worse than Snoop is of Suge Knight, did you see the look on his face? Ben would rock him into another time dimension, you clearly must be a Pacer's fanboi to say that Artest wouldn't back down to Big Ben.

Self defense??? Was his life in danger? ummm, right.

Big Ben's reaction was perfectly fine, he was making a statement to a flagrant, cheap foul (with 45 seconds left) by a violent punk thug. He made a statement that said, don't cheapshot me EVER. Artest clearly fouled him hard to get under his skin and incite him, much like Rodman used to do to opponents (except even Rodman didn't flagrant when the game was already all but over.)

A plastic bottle? Open your eyes, better yet PM me and I'll tell you how to watch an avi frame by frame lmao. It was a plastic CUP. They don't allow bottles in Auburn hills, they pour everything into CUPS. I'm a Sixers fan, and somehow I still know this... ever been to an NBA game lately?

Clearly, if you think that Artest wasn't at fault here, you "have issues". Would you feel safe at the game with your whole family (kids even) behind the Pacer's bench, with Artest in the game? What if Artest trampled your wife and kids, and clocked you b/c someone threw a cup of beer at him from the upper deck? Yeah, that's what I thought. And btw, please provide links to proof from ESPN, it's not that hard. There is no poll that I read that said the fans are at fault, stop spreading misinformation. Or better yet, here's a link to ESPN. Scroll down to the poll in the bottom right: 60.1% out of 73,310 people agree with the NBA suspension for Barf-fest.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
The whole season? Thats terrible, and wallace needs to get more than 6, his actions are the root of the problem.

I didn't see Wallace assaulting fans. It's one thing for players to start fighting each other, it's another thing for a player to attack a fan. As I said before, in any other job, if a customer throws a cup of water at an employee and that employee starts punching the customer, he/she will be fired. It was inexcusable for Ron Artest to enter those stands and start attacking fans.

Yes, the fans were wrong to throw objects at Artest.
Yes, the security guards were wrong to not properly restrain the fans immediately.

But neither of those two facts excuse a player from assaulting a fan. It's pure bullsh!t and Artest deserves every second of his suspension.

 

[kb315]

What many people missed was after Wallace was restrained by the team, Artest was lying on the scores table, he grabbed a head set and was taunting the fans. In an heated away game, especially after scuffle, its never a good idea to sit on the scorers table in front of drunken fans who are already pissed about a 15 point beating. What did he expect to happen?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: kb315
What many people missed was after Wallace was restrained by the team, Artest was lying on the scores table, he grabbed a head set and was taunting the fans. In an heated away game, especially after scuffle, its never a good idea to sit on the scorers table in front of drunken fans who are already pissed about a 15 point beating. What did he expect to happen?

Where did you see the footage that he was taunting the fans? Can you send me a link? omg, if that's true, like you said WHAT DID HE EXPECT!!!?

 

[aplefka]

SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Btw nice post contribution troll.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Because he didn't deserve a season suspension. The guy reacted how anyone would react. You writing what you did shows your ignorance towards both how life actually works and what the fvck happened.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Because he didn't deserve a season suspension. The guy reacted how anyone would react. You writing what you did shows your ignorance towards both how life actually works and what the fvck happened.

So how did Carl "Crazy" Everett control himself when he was hit by a CELL PHONE in the head? Fact is, this happens all the time with beer, food, juice, spit, and CELL PHONES. The fact that you don't know this is proof you have never been to a sporting event... the more you open your mouth the more you expose yorself as a troll.

 

[kb315]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kb315
What many people missed was after Wallace was restrained by the team, Artest was lying on the scores table, he grabbed a head set and was taunting the fans. In an heated away game, especially after scuffle, its never a good idea to sit on the scorers table in front of drunken fans who are already pissed about a 15 point beating. What did he expect to happen?

Where did you see the footage that he was taunting the fans? Can you send me a link? omg, if that's true, like you said WHAT DID HE EXPECT!!!?

I'm getting the taunting thing from someone who was at the game. If you watch the replays, some replays skip a lot of stuff before Artest ran into the crowd. Artest was acting like a fool on the scorers table, you can see he grabbed a heatset and just from someone. Many of the replay change views to see Artest the whole time, but I wouldn't be surprised if he made fun of some fans because many players do after an emotional game liek that. Also, Artest just lying ther on teh scoreres table on the rival's bench chilling is kind of passive taunting. Maybe the person i got it from was exaggerating, but I find it plausible. When a fight breaks out and you want to keep your cool, just chill and go back to your bench.

I don't really understand why Rick Carlisle had him still out there with 45 sec left when he knows about Artest's behaviors.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Because he didn't deserve a season suspension. The guy reacted how anyone would react. You writing what you did shows your ignorance towards both how life actually works and what the fvck happened.

So how did Carl "Crazy" Everett control himself when he was hit by a CELL PHONE hit him in the head?. Fact is, this happens all the time with beer, food, juice, spit, and CELL PHONES. The fact that you don't know this is proof you have never been to a sporting event... the more you open your mouth the more you expose yorself as a troll.

You're a moron, you really are. Not only do I play sports, but I'm an avid NBA and MLB fan, and regularly attend games for both sports. Everett wasn't in the middle of being pushed around after a foul not to mention a rivalry game. Saying stuff is always thrown during games is also stupid, because you know that's not true either. If stuff was always thrown security would be much more than it is.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Because he didn't deserve a season suspension. The guy reacted how anyone would react. You writing what you did shows your ignorance towards both how life actually works and what the fvck happened.

So how did Carl "Crazy" Everett control himself when he was hit by a CELL PHONE hit him in the head?. Fact is, this happens all the time with beer, food, juice, spit, and CELL PHONES. The fact that you don't know this is proof you have never been to a sporting event... the more you open your mouth the more you expose yorself as a troll.

You're a moron, you really are. Not only do I play sports, but I'm an avid NBA and MLB fan, and regularly attend games for both sports. Everett wasn't in the middle of being pushed around after a foul not to mention a rivalry game. Saying stuff is always thrown during games is also stupid, because you know that's not true either. If stuff was always thrown security would be much more than it is.

I've seen player get sprayed with beer 3 or more times in college football, football, and the NBA. MLB it's usually just taunting, and your occasional stuff thrown on the field (however the NY Yankee fans threw all types of sht on the field during the ALCS when Gayrod slapped). But I'm the moron right? Keep opening your mouth little troll. Out of the 100's upon 100's of rivalries in the NBA never has this happened before. And if you think this is the first time a player has been hit with a beer at a rivalry game, then you have your head up your rectum.

 

[artemicion]

How in the world did Artest NOT deserve this? How in the world did BEN WALLACE start this?
Artest is the one who flagrantly fouled Wallace AFTER the game was decided. This is the same guy that also smacked Rip Hamilton in the face to BLOW HIS TEAMS CHANCES in the confrence finals last year. Thus, we've already established that Ron Artest IS INSANE.
Then, after Ben Wallace shoves him in the face (which, ironically, is how one would EXPECT him to react, to steal your own argument), Artest LIES DOWN ON THE MEDIA TABLE.

LIES DOWN ON THE MEDIA TABLE.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME.

AND PUTS A HEADSET ON.

If that's not taunting, I don't know what the fu.ck taunting is. Hand me a dictionary.

So a fan throws a cup of ice at him. So what? If I were there, give ME a cup of ice, I'll do the same thing. Artest is an ass.

THEN Artest jumps in the stand to start a fight (oh, and not with the guy THAT SHOVED HIM IN THE FACE, mind you). From what people have told me, he started a fight with a guy HOLDING A BEER IN HIS HAND.

Oh surely, Mr. Artest, the man HOLDING HIS CUP OF BEER is the one that THREW HIS CUP OF BEER AT YOU.

And during his beat down, this poor fan is pleading with Artest that it wasn't him.

THEN Artest decides to punch the towel boy in the face. Hm, just because the towel boys at the Palace for SOME STRANGE REASON where Pistons jerseys during the Pistons games. You know, the jerseys for the team that PLAYS IN THE PALACE.

This insane douche bag actually ends up getting what he wanted in the first place for his maniacal actions and you defend him. I don't even what to know what you guys think about the REALLY insane people like Hitler.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: aplefka
SP33Demon: You, my friend, are an idiot.

Why are you defending a player that got a season suspension is the big question? Let me guess, you "slang rocks on da block wit him" and he sold you a "gat". lmao

Because he didn't deserve a season suspension. The guy reacted how anyone would react. You writing what you did shows your ignorance towards both how life actually works and what the fvck happened.

So how did Carl "Crazy" Everett control himself when he was hit by a CELL PHONE hit him in the head?. Fact is, this happens all the time with beer, food, juice, spit, and CELL PHONES. The fact that you don't know this is proof you have never been to a sporting event... the more you open your mouth the more you expose yorself as a troll.

You're a moron, you really are. Not only do I play sports, but I'm an avid NBA and MLB fan, and regularly attend games for both sports. Everett wasn't in the middle of being pushed around after a foul not to mention a rivalry game. Saying stuff is always thrown during games is also stupid, because you know that's not true either. If stuff was always thrown security would be much more than it is.

I've seen player get sprayed with beer 3 or more times in college football, football, and the NBA. MLB it's usually just taunting, and your occasional stuff thrown on the field (however the NY Yankee fans threw all types of sht on the field during the ALCS when Gayrod slapped). But I'm the moron right? Keep opening your mouth little troll. Out of the 100's upon 100's of rivalries in the NBA never has this happened before. And if you think this is the first time a player has been hit with a beer at a rivalry game, then you have your head up your rectum.

I never said it was the first time, I said it doesn't happen all the time. It's funny, you keep bringing up me being a troll and how I don't know about sports and you keep trying to bring up your knowledge of baseball; it makes one wonder, are you insecure about something other than your abnormally small penis? Yankees fans always act like crybabies when stuff goes against them, just like Lakers fans. Point is that Artest reacted like any human being in such a moment would, and saying that other people wouldn't have reacted the same way is a straight-up lie.

 

[The Wildcard]

I don't see why reggie miller got suspended.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: The_Wildcard
I don't see why reggie miller got suspended.

I wondered that too, especially since he didn't even suit up for the game. David Stern is questionable now more than ever. He did good for the NBA in 80s and early 90s, but after he starting riding the Lakers' rectum all the time, I lost respect for him.