Pit Bulls kill Child

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: classy

Maybe you haven't had many dogs. From a child we as a family have had as many 15-20. Every single dog alive will have dislike for someone for whatever reason. My Husky was a calm and friendly dog. But she couldn't stand my one uncle. All of our family could come there and no problem, but this one uncle better not show up. Our German Shepherd was a powerful dog but he never bothered anyone, but he would get silly at one of our neighbors across the street. I mean foaming at the mouth, but outside of that Flag was a very good dog and never showed a bit of dislike for anyone else. Dogs seem to have a sense about people and usually a socialized dog will for some reason show a dislike for someone for no particluar reason. And except for the toy type dogs, most of these dogs are watch dogs and will protect the house and family. As a matter of fact probably the most flakey dog is a Doberman. They even have temperment where they will even turn on their owner.

you pulling Doberman's into it just proves the insanity of your other dozen lines of insanity.

I have tons of animal experience, personally I have owned 9 cats or dogs. Not counting fish and rodents(gerbils and guinea pigs)....

Then add that into I have 7 years bio/zoo + interned with the veternarian that also is the director of the zoo here.

Dogs may have dislikes, but whenever they show aggression to any person that's another insanity.

it may be ok with your *people* but it's not normal.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: classy
I know several people who own Pitbulls or American Staffordshire Terrier and they are not only good dogs but safe just like any other dog. The only incident was the one friend said there was guy who his dog named Melazar didn't like. He said for whatever reason the dog never liked the guy. Well he wasn't home one day and the guy showed, the dog went through the window to get after the guy. The guy seen the dog coming and was able to get back into the car safely. So I would own one if my home owners insurance would allow me. But there are several dogs more likely to bite or attack a person than a Pitbull, but a pitbull attack is gets more attention.

"The only incident" Laff.....The only incident is the dog trying to maul someone? Several meaning 5 or so friends and 1/5 has tried mauling someone and you think that's a good ratio?

Maybe you haven't had many dogs. From a child we as a family have had as many 15-20. Every single dog alive will have dislike for someone for whatever reason. My Husky was a calm and friendly dog. But she couldn't stand my one uncle. All of our family could come there and no problem, but this one uncle better not show up. Our German Shepherd was a powerful dog but he never bothered anyone, but he would get silly at one of our neighbors across the street. I mean foaming at the mouth, but outside of that Flag was a very good dog and never showed a bit of dislike for anyone else. Dogs seem to have a sense about people and usually a socialized dog will for some reason show a dislike for someone for no particluar reason. And except for the toy type dogs, most of these dogs are watch dogs and will protect the house and family. As a matter of fact probably the most flakey dog is a Doberman. They even have temperment where they will even turn on their owner.

Thanks for telling me about my experience with dogs. I haven't had 15-20 because generally my dogs live a long time and I never have had to put one down. Currently I have a German Shepherd whose father is Lasso the 97' German VA champion. Anyways, she's not fixed and has never had a temperment problem. Neither have any of my previous dogs....if your dogs have a bad temperment maybe you should look into the way they're being trained.
Secondly, 15-20 dogs? Owning more then 2 dogs at a time I assume....Maybe you should focus your energy on less dogs at once and you won't have these temperment issues......
Third, if you don't think a pit bull breaking out of it's house to attack someone is a problem- I think you have one. A dog that does that should immediately be put down IMHO.

 

[piasabird]

Anyone that defends a dog for killing a child is some kind of demented fool. Do you care more for animals than the safety of children?

I think you need to examine what you are suggesting. This woman has be arrested now for endangering the life of a child and may go to jail for up to 10 years because she loved the dog more than her child.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Anyone that defends a dog for killing a child is some kind of demented fool. Do you care more for animals than the safety of children?

you mean it's just not dogs being dogs when they eat lil' ricky?



This is a big problem down here in South Florida, I believe Miami has an automatic euthanasia program for any Pit Bull strays. I am all for the Pit Bull as a type of dog being a great dog (Petey in Little Rascals was a mix)....however, too many are breeding these for aggression and fighting and the unknowning person is buying these same dogs once already a little conditioned to be mean.

You have people branding their dogs, and mutilating them to make them 'tough'...etc.

Just like the abused kid that goes and stabs another kid because he knows he can't take on 'daddy'...a dog will do the same thing if driven to it. At that point therapy is needed, and unfortunately animals don't get it (I really don't think they should though in a killing....it's not worth the risk, some people prove untreatable as well and we have to end up locking them up).

I am an animal lover, I donate, help foster at times...Zoology was the major I chose to help me prepare for Med or Pharmacy school (the latter I was accepted too). I worked with zoos and problem animals. I think euthanasia is a last resort and never to be used because an owner just doesn't want someone else to have their pet that they cannot care for anymore.

There was a crazy dog (rottie) that we'd get time to time for boarding. Only the owner could cage him, and the kennel crew had leave him and just hose him and the run down ... we didn't walk him (we couldn't)....

A few months after the last time he was there the dog was back to be put to sleep, he mauled both the guys kid and wife critically. He turned out to be a dog trainer and breeder and didn't want an animal getting the best of him. Unfortunately his family paid that price.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Pits are no more inherently vicious than many other breeds of dogs. I've had 4 of them myself and have 1 at the moment that's an absolute sweetheart. She has kids crawling on her all the time and treats them as if they were her puppies. The only real difference between pits and many other dogs is their strength and the amount of damage potential they can cause in a very short period of time.

The real problem here was two-fold. First of all it sounds like this woman didn't know how to raise a child, let alone dogs. Both require lots of love, attention, and discipline and it doesn't seem. by her statements, that she was doling that out to either her kid or her dogs in any of the necessary quantities. Locking her kid in the basement instead of the dogs? WTF?

Second of all she had a male and female, neither of which were fixed. Of course the male is going to be protective and act domineering around a female in that case. Unless people plan on breeding their dogs, they should always get them fixed. For pits especially, it's a good way to moderate their temperment.

Some people are just too ignorant to have dogs or children, and this woman should never been allowed to have either.

Absolutely. I agree completely. It's not the breed. It's the humans involved that caused this tragedy. I've seen very mellow, loving Pit Bulls. Same thing with Rottis, Dobermans and Shepards. I've also seen people turn those breeds into maniacal biting machines. Given enough time and a short enough length of chain, a Lab can be made vicious.
OK, that may be an exaggeration.
Anyway. Very sad situation and I hope the mother pays for her crimes.

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
She should be punished....starve the dogs for a few days...then bathe her in pigs blood and throw her in a pit with the dogs.

Ah hahahahahahaaa. Nice.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Pits are no more inherently vicious than many other breeds of dogs. I've had 4 of them myself and have 1 at the moment that's an absolute sweetheart. She has kids crawling on her all the time and treats them as if they were her puppies. The only real difference between pits and many other dogs is their strength and the amount of damage potential they can cause in a very short period of time.

The real problem here was two-fold. First of all it sounds like this woman didn't know how to raise a child, let alone dogs. Both require lots of love, attention, and discipline and it doesn't seem. by her statements, that she was doling that out to either her kid or her dogs in any of the necessary quantities. Locking her kid in the basement instead of the dogs? WTF?

Second of all she had a male and female, neither of which were fixed. Of course the male is going to be protective and act domineering around a female in that case. Unless people plan on breeding their dogs, they should always get them fixed. For pits especially, it's a good way to moderate their temperment.

Some people are just too ignorant to have dogs or children, and this woman should never been allowed to have either.

Absolutely. I agree completely. It's not the breed. It's the humans involved that caused this tragedy. I've seen very mellow, loving Pit Bulls. Same thing with Rottis, Dobermans and Shepards. I've also seen people turn those breeds into maniacal biting machines. Given enough time and a short enough length of chain, a Lab can be made vicious.
OK, that may be an exaggeration.
Anyway. Very sad situation and I hope the mother pays for her crimes.

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
She should be punished....starve the dogs for a few days...then bathe her in pigs blood and throw her in a pit with the dogs.

Ah hahahahahahaaa. Nice.

I just saw a pig fly and I think hell is freezing over .

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
People just don't seem to realize that domesticated pets are still animals with all the instincts of wild animals. Even the best tempered animal can go off at any time.

Why people think they need a pet with so much potential to cause serious injury is beyond me?? Dogs can sense fear and get more agressive when they sense it. Especially the dogs already aggressive by nature.

It's a free country and people can do what they want, but if I had a vicious dog in my neighborhood who had an owner that didn't know how to train/handle it, I'd handle the problem myself. A piece of steak soaked in anti-frezze would make a fitting last meal for it.

A truly domesticated animal is not at all wild.

Your last line is proof you are a sad little man. If you are going to kill an animal you may as well do it as quickly as possible, not some torturous way that perks you all up thinking back on your childhood.

There are many maulings from animals everyday, more kids are seriously injured further just riding their bikes. Pit Bulls have gotten to be the media 'favorite' and saying Pit Bull is like calling all white people americans or black people africans.

There is a major trend that most of the people that own the dogs that attack others swear how safe and friendly they are, but at the same time taking major safeguards (heavy chains, dog stays in it's own room or back yard where no one can go, etc.

In this case has anyone brought up the fact that the mother locked the kid in the basement, but gave free reign to the dogs in her home

A f'in dog is just an f'in dog. Get real. If someone has a mean ass dog that is a possible threat to me or my family and doesn't properly secure it, it's going to be a dead dog. I really hate people who put animals above the saftey of humans. This lady was too scared of her dogs to put them in the basement instead of her kid. That should tell you something.

I live in the country and many dogs are abandonded by people who don't have the balls to put them down. Most die, but some revert back to the wild, so don't try and tell me that they still don't have that wild instinct within them.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

A f'in dog is just an f'in dog. Get real. If someone has a mean ass dog that is a possible threat to me or my family and doesn't properly secure it, it's going to be a dead dog. I really hate people who put animals above the saftey of humans. This lady was too scared of her dogs to put them in the basement instead of her kid. That should tell you something.

I live in the country and many dogs are abandonded by people who don't have the balls to put them down. Most die, but some revert back to the wild, so don't try and tell me that they still don't have that wild instinct within them.

feral animals yes, you are obviously not capable of understanding animal biology.

But shucks...let's us grab our shotguns and hop in the truck and go hound hunting....just gits some cats too.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12008107.htm
North Bay man injured in pit bull attack

ROHNERT PARK, Calif. (AP) - In the fourth serious pit bull attack to strike the San Francisco Bay Area this month, a Rohnert Park man was injured when he tried to stop his dog from attacking another canine, police said.



http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12014755.htm
Council backs dog breed bill

By Aaron C. Davis

Mercury News

The San Jose City Council on Tuesday unanimously supported a proposed state bill that would allow local municipalities to pass breed-specific animal control laws after a series of recent pit bull attacks left a San Francisco boy dead, a Concord boy seriously injured, and a San Jose woman recovering from bites to her hands and arms.

A hearing on the proposed bill, SB 861, is set for today before the Assembly Local Government Committee. The bill does not mention pit bulls explicitly, but could nonetheless force the breed's owners to muzzle or neuter their dogs.

The council passed a resolution supporting the bill, saying it fit with the council's traditional desire for more local control and would allow the city to respond to public safety and welfare concerns in a way that is not currently permitted.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/12011745.htm
Pit bull owner in hospital with bites after attack

Associated Press

In the fourth serious pit bull attack to strike the San Francisco Bay Area this month, a Rohnert Park man was injured when he tried to stop his dog from attacking another canine, police said.

Sami Tawasha, 47, was hospitalized Monday night with multiple bites to his right hand and arm and to his face, police Sgt. Mike Bates said. It was unclear whether Tawasha's pit bull, a 5-year-old neutered male named Blackie, or the second dog, a 5-year-old boxer named Max, was the animal that bit Tawasha, Bates said.

But Bates said the pit bull has a history of attacking other dogs. One, a Pomeranian, had to be euthanized two years ago because of its injuries.

Police reports show that Blackie attacked separate dogs on Jan. 23, 2002, July 13, 2003, and Feb. 27, 2004. After the first attack, Blackie was given a ``vicious'' dog rating, Bates said.

Monday's incident reportedly started when Blackie jumped out of a partially open window of Tawasha's parked motor home and charged at two boxers being walked by their owner in the parking lot of a professional building.

Owner Jim Kelly said his female boxer, Bella, 6, hid behind him, and the pit bull bit into Max's face and neck. Hearing the commotion, Tawasha raced out of a nearby building and tried to help Kelly pry the dogs apart.

``He was screaming at me that it was my dog's fault,'' Kelly said.

Bates said Tawasha will be cited for having a dangerous dog. Blackie was caught nearby and was taken to the city animal shelter where he will held under a 14-day quarantine.

The attack was the latest in a series involving pit bulls. The most serious was on June 3, when a 12-year-old San Francisco boy, Nicholas Faibish, was killed by at least one of his family's two pit bulls.

The attacks have apparently resonated with pit bull owners. The Sonoma County Humane Society reports that about 100 people have recently made appointments through the end of August to have their pets spayed or neutered, which can lessen the breed's aggressive tendencies. The Peninsula Humane Society offered San Mateo County pit bull owners $10 to get their dogs spayed or neutered.

San Jose officials voted unanimously Tuesday to support state legislation designed to give local governments more control over dangerous dogs. The bill was written in response to Faibish's death.

 

[0roo0roo]

Posted on Sat, Jul. 02, 2005

Hockey player named in suit over dog attack

By David Pollak

Mercury News

A 2003 dog attack that killed a Norwich terrier puppy and injured its 66-year-old owner may land Sharks defenseman Mike Rathje in a San Jose courtroom next month.

A civil suit filed by Sara Whitlock contends Rathje and his wife, Shayna, are responsible for damage caused by their 95-pound American bulldog, Max, after he escaped from the family's back yard next to Los Alamitos Creek Trail. Whitlock had just arrived at the park to walk Banjo, her 15-pound, 10-month-old puppy......
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12041209.htm

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a Rohnert Park man was injured when he tried to stop his dog from attacking another canine, police said.

'nuf said on this one. You never, ever try to manually interupt any animal fight (even people fights for that matter)....chance are in an animal the fight or flight mechanism has been triggered poochie is thinking of saving his life.

I don't own a pit bull/bulldog, however; I know way more terrier/mixes that have been very dog and people aggressive. Unfortunately larger dogs can easily kill.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Posted on Sat, Jul. 02, 2005

Hockey player named in suit over dog attack

By David Pollak

Mercury News

A 2003 dog attack that killed a Norwich terrier puppy and injured its 66-year-old owner may land Sharks defenseman Mike Rathje in a San Jose courtroom next month.

A civil suit filed by Sara Whitlock contends Rathje and his wife, Shayna, are responsible for damage caused by their 95-pound American bulldog, Max, after he escaped from the family's back yard next to Los Alamitos Creek Trail. Whitlock had just arrived at the park to walk Banjo, her 15-pound, 10-month-old puppy......
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12041209.htm

I thought the discussion was about pitbulls?

 

[alkemyst]

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

 

[RobCur]

i never heard of cats killing anyone except mice. so I'd say dogs are the worst kinds of pets to have around. They are violent, they are noisy, bark all day, bark all night, and their mouth are huge and sharp teeth have ability to even break bone to pieces! their teeth are specially made to knawl into any skins and flesh with ease. they exist only to be an annoyance and to make humans life hellish. most dogs need to shot to hell except the cute lovable ones that are harmless. maybe dogs are too stupid to know when not to bite, they act emotionally rather then rationally.

btw, their teeth are so sharp that even touching it with my fingers caused me bleed to days! oh the horror! the pain! I think I have rabbies now!

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Here we go again another child has been killed by 2 pit bulls. I dont see why people with children think these animals are safe. This woman thought the Dogs were dangerous, yet she didnt get rid of them. She cared more for the dogs than her own son.

Mother of mauling victim feared family dog

I just dont see why people think these animals are safe. Instead of trying to cage up the dogs she tried to cage up her son.

This is a repost times eventy billion.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: RobCur
i never heard of cats killing anyone except mice. so I'd say dogs are the worst kinds of pets to have around. They are violent, they are noisy, bark all day, bark all night, and their mouth are huge and sharp teeth have ability to even break bone to pieces! their teeth are specially made to knawl into any skins and flesh with ease. they exist only to be an annoyance and to make humans life hellish. most dogs need to shot to hell except the cute lovable ones that are harmless. maybe dogs are too stupid to know when not to bite, they act emotionally rather then rationally.

btw, their teeth are so sharp that even touching it with my fingers caused me bleed to days! oh the horror! the pain! I think I have rabbies now!

0/10 :beer:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

This is a repost times eventy billion.

thanks n00b, how about posting even a hun'red of dem.

damn you hard.

 

[bjc112]

It is very sad to see him get killed like that..

But it is all how you raise the animal.. Granted the mother said "no violent tendencies", you never know how the dog was treated..

I had a huge doberman pincher that was the most friendly dog you could meet.. And i know quite a fiew kids with Pit bulls that are EXTREMELY friendly..


I wouldn't worry about having any breed dog, if I had it since it's a puppy.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

This is a repost times eventy billion.

thanks n00b, how about posting even a hun'red of dem.

damn you hard.

What does that mean?

EDIT:
Does it mean im a noob at posting? Because thats just stupid.
Does it mean that i should fear your post count? Because i dont fear fat men with no lives. What the hell are you trying to say?

 

[usernamemax20charact]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BDawg
To the people who always say certain dogs aren't viscious, I ask, when was the last time a child was mauled by a Golden Retreiver or a Collie dog?

March

The problem is hearing about it. When another breed besides a pit attacks a child or person, it often doesn't make the news. When it's a pit, it's smeared everywhere. If you want some information on dog attacks and maulings by dogs that are not pits, try here. Breeds of all kinds attacking and mauling people are not an uncommon thing.

Yup. Sadly, a pit killing someone makes better headlines than a poodle killing someone. That's why we hear so much about them in the news.

 

[usernamemax20charact]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: phantom309
Owning a pit bull is like giving a loaded shotgun to a three-year-old and telling him he has to protect you from "bad people".

ime, most people making comments like this have never owned a pit in their life and their only experience with them is from the idiot neighbor down the street that owned a couple and treated them like crap.

I completely agree. I was really afraid of pits mainly because of all the things I heard and read in the news. Until I finally got one. Now I realize that pits have been given a bad image by the media.

When my girl was 2 months old, people would want to pet her because she was so cute. But as soon as they found out that she was a pit, they'd flinch and would take a step back.

The reason pits are agressive is because of the owner. They tie them up, ignore them, beat them, etc. Of course that'll make them agressive.

Just love and respect them and make them feel like a part of the family and they won't be agressive. Oh, and lots of early socialization and training are important too.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Here we go again another child has been killed by 2 pit bulls. I dont see why people with children think these animals are safe. This woman thought the Dogs were dangerous, yet she didnt get rid of them. She cared more for the dogs than her own son.

Mother of mauling victim feared family dog

I just dont see why people think these animals are safe. Instead of trying to cage up the dogs she tried to cage up her son.

Is Genocide of the Pit Bull breed really the answer???

Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban, Denver killing 3 Pit Bulls a day

DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffan looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation.

Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed ? an average of more than three a day.

Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities.

Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls.

Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.

Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.

"He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel."

 

[Gaard]

Typical scenario...
-Child gets mauled to death by Pitbull.
-Owner of dog says, "I just don't understand it. He's always been a good dog."

It wouldn't bother me a bit if these DOGS were banned. I don't want them around me or my family.

 

[Warthog912]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I'm sure PitBulls are fine dogs in the proper setting, but damn people are daft. If you have small children or plan on having children, don't get a fvkn PitBull! Not every PitBull is going to kill a child, but you may as well put a loaded gun unattended where the kids play if you think of getting one.

Some people just don't understand dogs and probably should have fish for pets. Dogs, especially PitBulls, can just switch from Lovable to a Killing Machine in a split second, given the right circumstance. Someone I know bought a pair(male/female) of Argentinian Dogos and though they are nowhere near as agressive as a Pitbull, if another dog comes near the yard their demeanor changes in a way that left me shocked the first time I saw it. They go from playful and gentle to wanting to rip the nearby dog to shreads quicker than you could turn on a lightbulb. Commands from their Master are completely ignored and the owner has had to resort to using an Electro shock collars in order to get he dogs attentions under such circumstances. That said, they are fine dogs under all other conditions and I have grown to love them as much as the owner has.

Agreed, I have 2 Minature Schnauzers which are well behaved/trained. BUT, if another dog invades thier terroritory, may god help that other dog, both being under 20lbs it's not difficult to get a hold of em' but it is the principle behind the matter.

 

[Tsunami982]

some people are just stupid. she didnt even sound remorseful. thats just sad.