Pitbull Problem/Question

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there.
Additionally, pitbull attacks are generalyl worse then attacks by other dogs.

You can argue how good the dog is, how friendly the breed is etc etc but the simple facts show otherwise.

That said, ANY dog has the ability to become aggresive and dangerous. People forget one simple things. Dogs are carnivorous pack animals. Centuries of breeding and domesticating them has done quite alot to bury that trait but it is a trait that still exists and will always exist deep within the dog. It is a carnivorous pack animal that hunts.

Simple facts shows you're full of it. Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks.
And yes, dogs are PACK animals. In the wild, dog packs are strictly controlled by the alpha pair. Due to this trait, dogs are highly trainable and controllable even without breeding from their wild state.
A pit bull in fact is one of the most trainable and most obedient breeds there are period. Properly trained, they are almost robotic in their obedience. I imagine that with better investigations, it would be determined that virtually all pit bull attacks are caused by poor training and care. Misuse by their owners.

Now why don't you go back to watching the TV news, as that seems to be where you get all your information from?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there.
Additionally, pitbull attacks are generalyl worse then attacks by other dogs.

You can argue how good the dog is, how friendly the breed is etc etc but the simple facts show otherwise.

That said, ANY dog has the ability to become aggresive and dangerous. People forget one simple things. Dogs are carnivorous pack animals. Centuries of breeding and domesticating them has done quite alot to bury that trait but it is a trait that still exists and will always exist deep within the dog. It is a carnivorous pack animal that hunts.

If you read my post, you'll note a couple points which arn't my opinion at all, but are based on the real statistics & the opinions of the American Kennel club, not media hype... I own a big German Shepard & they are the most likely dog to attack & do serious damage to somone, not a Pit-bull... a well trained pure bred Pit Bull makes a great pet contrary to popular belief, the problem is the (admittedly many) irresponsible owners who encourage
or even train their dogs to be aggressive & amatuer breeders which either inbreed the dogs until they become unstable or breed them with other aggressive types.

Btw, its interesting to note that ALL dogs regardless of breed are genetically almost identical to the wolf, so that part of what you said is correct.

Funny, because my post is based on real statistics too.
Click
From 1979 through 1994, attacks by dogs resulted in 279 deaths of humans in the United States. (Sacks JJ, Sattin RW, Bonzo SE. Dog bite-related fatalities from 1979 through 1988. JAMA 1989;262:1489-92; Sacks JJ, Lockwood R, Hornreich J, Sattin RW. Fatal dog attacks, 1989-1994. Pediatrics 1996; 97:891-5.) In the latter study, which covered six years, the researchers made these findings:

There were 109 bite-related fatalities.
57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age.
81% of the attacks involved an unrestrained dog.
22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property.
59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property.
18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property.
10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants.
The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths).

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[Vic]

Originally posted by: Captante
Pit Bulls don't have locking jaws... thats a myth... they also don't even have nearly the hardest bite of dogs commonly though of as aggressive, that honor goes to the Rottweiler
which can apply over 150lbs bite pressure as opposed to a pure pit bull which max's out around 100lbs.
Rotts are another dog with a reputation for being aggressive that simply isn't real, they are also great pets (as you know) & are highly recomended for familys by the same American kennel club.

Rotts are great dogs. But yeah, they can easily crush beef ribs to powder with their teeth.

People fear these big dogs just because they're big. No other reason. In reality, the largest and most aggressive breeds of dogs are also the most obedient (primarily due to controlled breeding I imagine). I've seen pits and rotts so unbelievable well-trained and obedient that I bet that if there were a command to kill themselves, and the dogs were capable of just thinking themselves dead on the spot, they would do so if ordered to.
There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic
Simple facts shows you're full of it. Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks.
And yes, dogs are PACK animals. In the wild, dog packs are strictly controlled by the alpha pair. Due to this trait, dogs are highly trainable and controllable even without breeding from their wild state.
A pit bull in fact is one of the most trainable and most obedient breeds there are period. Properly trained, they are almost robotic in their obedience. I imagine that with better investigations, it would be determined that virtually all pit bull attacks are caused by poor training and care. Misuse by their owners.

Now why don't you go back to watching the TV news, as that seems to be where you get all your information from?

I got my facts from the CDC. Where did you get yours? You have failed to provide any references.......
So again i say, statistics back up what i say. Your just standing on a soap box spouting crap as far as i can see.

 

[Vic]

Always a troll on AT, I swear. Some guy comes in asking for advice about his sick puppy and instantly trolls jump in to hijack the thread and denounce his choice of breed. To hijacking trolls everywhere: no one cares what you think or what you irrationally fear or what you think should not be allowed because of your prejudice.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic
Always a troll on AT, I swear. Some guy comes in asking for advice about his sick puppy and instantly trolls jump in to hijack the thread and denounce his choice of breed. To hijacking trolls everywhere: no one cares what you think or what you irrationally fear or what you think should not be allowed because of your prejudice.

So now that I've proven you wrong you just turn to baseless attacks? Just admit it, your wrong. Changing the subject wont change the facts.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

This thread started out being about his sick puppy not about dog attacks and such. Drop it. Everyone can argue as much as they want about dog breeds but no one is going to come out a winner in any debate we have on this subject..just drop it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I got my facts from the CDC. Where did you get yours? You have failed to provide any references.......
So again i say, statistics back up what i say. Your just standing on a soap box spouting crap as far as i can see.

How's this? His pit kills 24 people while your car kills 40,000+. Where's your moral outcry over that? Your calls to ban cars everywhere?

Plus, your "facts" do not disguise the fact that you clearly know jack sh!t about dogs. Or animals in general, I would say, with your "carnivore that hunts" comment. As though all herbivores are placid and peaceful! :roll:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
This thread started out being about his sick puppy not about dog attacks and such. Drop it. Everyone can argue as much as they want about dog breeds but no one is going to come out a winner in any debate we have on this subject..just drop it.

No, they will come out ahead. Its called using facts. Something a good majority of people are scared of. A perfect example is good ole Vic here who likes to talk out of his ass about how I'm full of it and get my info from TV. Course, when i provide links from the CDCs' website what does he do? Cries about trolls and changes the subject.
Facts are facts. You dont have to like them but you cant deny them. Statistically over the course of 20 years pitbulls are repsonible for more attacks then any other breed of dog. Its really as simple as that.
Now, as to the why of it thats certainly debatable. Because of the breed? Because of the training? Because of the owners? Who knows. Thats certainly open for discussion, but not the fact that pitbulls ARE responsible for more attacks then any other breed.

Otherwise, see a vet. Only he can properly diagnose the dog. Everyone here is taking educated guesses, which may very well be right, but the vet would be the best person to see if your concerned with the health of your animal.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Vic
Always a troll on AT, I swear. Some guy comes in asking for advice about his sick puppy and instantly trolls jump in to hijack the thread and denounce his choice of breed. To hijacking trolls everywhere: no one cares what you think or what you irrationally fear or what you think should not be allowed because of your prejudice.

So now that I've proven you wrong you just turn to baseless attacks? Just admit it, your wrong. Changing the subject wont change the facts.

My attack is not baseless, yours is. For exactly the reason I stated. The guy asked for his advice about his sick puppy, not his choice of breed.

I'll say it again and then I'm out of here so hopefully this guy can get his question answered: there are no bad dogs, only bad owners. If you don't know that, you don't know dogs period and aren't qualified to hold an opinion on the subject, regardless of whatever facts you might dig up to hold out of context.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I got my facts from the CDC. Where did you get yours? You have failed to provide any references.......
So again i say, statistics back up what i say. Your just standing on a soap box spouting crap as far as i can see.

How's this? His pit kills 24 people while your car kills 40,000+. Where's your moral outcry over that? Your calls to ban cars everywhere?

Plus, your "facts" do not disguise the fact that you clearly know jack sh!t about dogs. Or animals in general, I would say, with your "carnivore that hunts" comment. As though all herbivores are placid and peaceful! :roll:

Sweet. i love it when people know their wrong but wont admit it. They start grasping at straws, JUST LIKE YOU ARE.

So lets let the continued ownage begin.....

His pit kills 24, cars kill 40,000+....
The fact is I personally havent called for a ban on the dags have I? Nor cars, or guns, or alcohol or anything else for that matter. So now your just putting words in my mouth. Wont work.

I know jack sh1t? So, you deny what i posted? yes or no. Is what I posted (Pitbulls responsible for more attacks) true or not/ Yes or no. Again, your dancing around the issue and making things up.
Additionally, is it true dogs are descended from wolves? Yes or no? Are wolves pack animals and carnivorous? Yes or no? Your really grasping at straws.....
Dogs
Classification: Order Carnivora (carnivores) > Family Canidae (dogs, foxes) > Genus Canis
Look like carnivores to me.......

As for herbivores being safe and cuddly, again I did not say that. Once again, your ignoring the facts and putting words in my mouth.

So, I challenge you to find where I've stated pitbulls should be banned or where I've said herbivores are safe. Additionally, I challenge you to answer the yes no questions above.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Vic
Always a troll on AT, I swear. Some guy comes in asking for advice about his sick puppy and instantly trolls jump in to hijack the thread and denounce his choice of breed. To hijacking trolls everywhere: no one cares what you think or what you irrationally fear or what you think should not be allowed because of your prejudice.

So now that I've proven you wrong you just turn to baseless attacks? Just admit it, your wrong. Changing the subject wont change the facts.

My attack is not baseless, yours is. For exactly the reason I stated. The guy asked for his advice about his sick puppy, not his choice of breed.

I'll say it again and then I'm out of here so hopefully this guy can get his question answered: there are no bad dogs, only bad owners. If you don't know that, you don't know dogs period and aren't qualified to hold an opinion on the subject, regardless of whatever facts you might dig up to hold out of context.

And I didnt criticize his choice of breed did I? In fact, I didnt address the OP at all!
It would be best if you left, because your getting your ass owned up one side and down the other and quite frankly are beginning to look like an incompetent fool.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
This thread started out being about his sick puppy not about dog attacks and such. Drop it. Everyone can argue as much as they want about dog breeds but no one is going to come out a winner in any debate we have on this subject..just drop it.

No, they will come out ahead. Its called using facts. Something a good majority of people are scared of. A perfect example is good ole Vic here who likes to talk out of his ass about how I'm full of it and get my info from TV. Course, when i provide links from the CDCs' website what does he do? Cries about trolls and changes the subject.
Facts are facts. You dont have to like them but you cant deny them. Statistically over the course of 20 years pitbulls are repsonible for more attacks then any other breed of dog. Its really as simple as that.
Now, as to the why of it thats certainly debatable. Because of the breed? Because of the training? Because of the owners? Who knows. Thats certainly open for discussion, but not the fact that pitbulls ARE responsible for more attacks then any other breed.

Otherwise, see a vet. Only he can properly diagnose the dog. Everyone here is taking educated guesses, which may very well be right, but the vet would be the best person to see if your concerned with the health of your animal.

It is just as easy to lie with facts as it is with falsehoods. To put all this in perspective, you're talking about 24 deaths in 20 years. If this were (for example) a household appliance we were talking about, that would be an award winning safety record. My TV news reference (which I admit was a bit obscure) was to point out this way of lying with facts. For example, the "killer" Ford Firestone tires, subject of media frenzy, lawsuits, and recalls, are still THE safest tires ever sold on a per-miles driven basis.
Nice try though.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

omg..you two are still going at it?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic
It is just as easy to lie with facts as it is with falsehoods. To put all this in perspective, you're talking about 24 deaths in 20 years. If this were (for example) a household appliance we were talking about, that would be an award winning safety record. My TV news reference (which I admit was a bit obscure) was to point out this way of lying with facts. For example, the "killer" Ford Firestone tires, subject of media frenzy, lawsuits, and recalls, are still THE safest tires ever sold on a per-miles driven basis.
Nice try though.

And now your saying the CDC is printing falsehoods, as well as comparing dogs to tires. Again, grapsing at straws and dancing around the issue.
My ONLY statement is statistically pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed. Why are you even still argueing this? its true. Game, set, match. Check mate. End of story. You CANNOT argue against that.
You can compare it to plywood thickness for all i care, it doesnt change what I've said.
The funny thing is you continue on as if your making a point or somehow winning this argument. Your not. Give it a rest. You've been proven wrong on EVERY point you've made.
I never called for a ban on pitbulls, and yet you claimed I did.
I never said herbivores are dangerous, and yet you said I did.
I claimed pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, you DIRECTLY stated that was false.
You claimed I get my facts from TV, yet i provided 2 references one of them being the CDC.
Your bringing up unrelated statistics such as tires and appliances which is completely outside of the scope of the discussion.
You claim i know jack sh1t about dogs, and yet your the one posting false statistics.

I could go on but why bother?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I got my facts from the CDC. Where did you get yours? You have failed to provide any references.......
So again i say, statistics back up what i say. Your just standing on a soap box spouting crap as far as i can see.

How's this? His pit kills 24 people while your car kills 40,000+. Where's your moral outcry over that? Your calls to ban cars everywhere?

Plus, your "facts" do not disguise the fact that you clearly know jack sh!t about dogs. Or animals in general, I would say, with your "carnivore that hunts" comment. As though all herbivores are placid and peaceful! :roll:

Sweet. i love it when people know their wrong but wont admit it. They start grasping at straws, JUST LIKE YOU ARE.

So lets let the continued ownage begin.....

His pit kills 24, cars kill 40,000+....
The fact is I personally havent called for a ban on the dags have I? Nor cars, or guns, or alcohol or anything else for that matter. So now your just putting words in my mouth. Wont work.

I know jack sh1t? So, you deny what i posted? yes or no. Is what I posted (Pitbulls responsible for more attacks) true or not/ Yes or no. Again, your dancing around the issue and making things up.
Additionally, is it true dogs are descended from wolves? Yes or no? Are wolves pack animals and carnivorous? Yes or no? Your really grasping at straws.....
Dogs
Classification: Order Carnivora (carnivores) > Family Canidae (dogs, foxes) > Genus Canis
Look like carnivores to me.......

As for herbivores being safe and cuddly, again I did not say that. Once again, your ignoring the facts and putting words in my mouth.

So, I challenge you to find where I've stated pitbulls should be banned or where I've said herbivores are safe. Additionally, I challenge you to answer the yes no questions above.

I am not ignoring anything nor grasping at straws. I'm attacking your argument in its entirety and in context.

I think you fail to realize (and don't want to at this point) that you are using relative arguments. If something is dangerous, then dangerous compared to what? Riding in an automobile? If an animal is said to be aggressive on the sole basis that it is a carnivore, then that implies that non-carnivores are not dangerous, does it not? After all, if you're not making that implication, then you argument that dogs are dangerous and aggressive because they hunt no longer holds up, now does it?

Now, if you're not condemning his choice of breed in getting a pit bull (although you clearly are), and you're not giving about his sick puppy, then what the fsck are you even doing in this thread besides trolling?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
omg..you two are still going at it?

Some people are too ignorant to realize when they've been beaten on every front. Reminds me of a few liberal idiots I know on a liberal board I'm on. I kid you not, I had one guy deny the scientific makeup of uranium. He essentially said the scientists were wrong....
Vic, just as those people, simply stand around with thier fingers in their ears yelling as loudly as they can and refusing to accept anything that isnt their own view.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Vic
It is just as easy to lie with facts as it is with falsehoods. To put all this in perspective, you're talking about 24 deaths in 20 years. If this were (for example) a household appliance we were talking about, that would be an award winning safety record. My TV news reference (which I admit was a bit obscure) was to point out this way of lying with facts. For example, the "killer" Ford Firestone tires, subject of media frenzy, lawsuits, and recalls, are still THE safest tires ever sold on a per-miles driven basis.
Nice try though.

And now your saying the CDC is printing falsehoods, as well as comparing dogs to tires. Again, grapsing at straws and dancing around the issue.
My ONLY statement is statistically pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed. Why are you even still argueing this? its true. Game, set, match. Check mate. End of story. You CANNOT argue against that.
You can compare it to plywood thickness for all i care, it doesnt change what I've said.
The funny thing is you continue on as if your making a point or somehow winning this argument. Your not. Give it a rest. You've been proven wrong on EVERY point you've made.
I never called for a ban on pitbulls, and yet you claimed I did.
I never said herbivores are dangerous, and yet you said I did.
I claimed pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, you DIRECTLY stated that was false.
You claimed I get my facts from TV, yet i provided 2 references one of them being the CDC.
Your bringing up unrelated statistics such as tires and appliances which is completely outside of the scope of the discussion.
You claim i know jack sh1t about dogs, and yet your the one posting false statistics.

I could go on but why bother?

Wow, I'm just gonna quote this as proof that you are not too bright. Remember, in your own facts, the sole remaining shred of your argument, these dangerous carnivorous pack animals that hunt killed 24 people in 20 years.
Now run, Forrest, run!

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there.
Additionally, pitbull attacks are generalyl worse then attacks by other dogs.

You can argue how good the dog is, how friendly the breed is etc etc but the simple facts show otherwise.

That said, ANY dog has the ability to become aggresive and dangerous. People forget one simple things. Dogs are carnivorous pack animals. Centuries of breeding and domesticating them has done quite alot to bury that trait but it is a trait that still exists and will always exist deep within the dog. It is a carnivorous pack animal that hunts.

If you read my post, you'll note a couple points which arn't my opinion at all, but are based on the real statistics & the opinions of the American Kennel club, not media hype... I own a big German Shepard & they are the most likely dog to attack & do serious damage to somone, not a Pit-bull... a well trained pure bred Pit Bull makes a great pet contrary to popular belief, the problem is the (admittedly many) irresponsible owners who encourage
or even train their dogs to be aggressive & amatuer breeders which either inbreed the dogs until they become unstable or breed them with other aggressive types.

Btw, its interesting to note that ALL dogs regardless of breed are genetically almost identical to the wolf, so that part of what you said is correct.

Funny, because my post is based on real statistics too.
Click
From 1979 through 1994, attacks by dogs resulted in 279 deaths of humans in the United States. (Sacks JJ, Sattin RW, Bonzo SE. Dog bite-related fatalities from 1979 through 1988. JAMA 1989;262:1489-92; Sacks JJ, Lockwood R, Hornreich J, Sattin RW. Fatal dog attacks, 1989-1994. Pediatrics 1996; 97:891-5.) In the latter study, which covered six years, the researchers made these findings:

There were 109 bite-related fatalities.
57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age.
81% of the attacks involved an unrestrained dog.
22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property.
59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property.
18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property.
10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants.
The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths).

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Interesting... I didn't look at any numbers involving deaths, only attacks & bites but I'm sad to say the statistics don't surprise me at all, I do have to blame the owners of these dogs more then the breed of dog itself because pit-bulls have some kind of a macho tough-guy thing for some people so they teach them to be aggressive.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Vic
It is just as easy to lie with facts as it is with falsehoods. To put all this in perspective, you're talking about 24 deaths in 20 years. If this were (for example) a household appliance we were talking about, that would be an award winning safety record. My TV news reference (which I admit was a bit obscure) was to point out this way of lying with facts. For example, the "killer" Ford Firestone tires, subject of media frenzy, lawsuits, and recalls, are still THE safest tires ever sold on a per-miles driven basis.
Nice try though.

And now your saying the CDC is printing falsehoods, as well as comparing dogs to tires. Again, grapsing at straws and dancing around the issue.
My ONLY statement is statistically pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed. Why are you even still argueing this? its true. Game, set, match. Check mate. End of story. You CANNOT argue against that.
You can compare it to plywood thickness for all i care, it doesnt change what I've said.
The funny thing is you continue on as if your making a point or somehow winning this argument. Your not. Give it a rest. You've been proven wrong on EVERY point you've made.
I never called for a ban on pitbulls, and yet you claimed I did.
I never said herbivores are dangerous, and yet you said I did.
I claimed pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, you DIRECTLY stated that was false.
You claimed I get my facts from TV, yet i provided 2 references one of them being the CDC.
Your bringing up unrelated statistics such as tires and appliances which is completely outside of the scope of the discussion.
You claim i know jack sh1t about dogs, and yet your the one posting false statistics.

I could go on but why bother?

Wow, I'm just gonna quote this as proof that you are not too bright. Remember, in your own facts, the sole remaining shred of your argument, these dangerous carnivorous pack animals that hunt killed 24 people in 20 years.
Now run, Forrest, run!

Oh my God....I'm argueing with an idiot.

Well, now that you've put words in my mouth, denied facts and pretended to win I'll move on. Its obvious you have no idea what your talking about, cant follow logic, cant make a point without putting words in my mouth and cannot accept the facts its obvious its pointless to argue with you.
Your just too stupid to argue with.

I forgot to add, you STILL havent answered any of my yes/no questions from a few posts back....Why is that?
Oh i know, it would show your wrong. Dont want that do we......

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
omg..you two are still going at it?

Some people are too ignorant to realize when they've been beaten on every front. Reminds me of a few liberal idiots I know on a liberal board I'm on. I kid you not, I had one guy deny the scientific makeup of uranium. He essentially said the scientists were wrong....
Vic, just as those people, simply stand around with thier fingers in their ears yelling as loudly as they can and refusing to accept anything that isnt their own view.

Pal, you haven't beaten me in the slightest. The "too ignorant" one here is you. I kid you not. Keeping going though, this is fun. You can keep running back to your fact or trying to twist the timeline all you want (for example, you presented the CDC website after I made the TV news comment). You can keep going back to your comments about these "dangerous carnivorous pack animals that hunt." I've already proven you were just trolling this thread. Now you got me on the hook and you want to throw me back but don't want to lose face at the same time. Sucks, don't it?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh my God....I'm argueing with an idiot.

Well, now that you've put words in my mouth, denied facts and pretended to win I'll move on. Its obvious you have no idea what your talking about, cant follow logic, cant make a point without putting words in my mouth and cannot accept the facts its obvious its pointless to argue with you.
Your just too stupid to argue with.

I forgot to add, you STILL havent answered any of my yes/no questions from a few posts back....Why is that?
Oh i know, it would show your wrong. Dont want that do we......

Really? :roll:

How 'bout this? How come everytime on AT when I'm kicking some fools ass, he immediately runs to the cover of trying to structure his argument into some particular way that will favor only him, ala "When did you stop beating your wife?" and then claims I'm the one using logical fallacies when I refuse to fall into that trap? :roll:

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I've quoted you exactly. I attacked and decimated your argument in your original post in this thread. Like Captante, I initially mistook your comments for bites and attacks overall (pits do not lead that statistic), but I concede you are correct in that the lead in overall deaths. But wow... your only comeback to this "dangerous aggressive carnivorous pack animal that hunts" is 24 deaths in 2 decades. I doubt I could buy a hair dryer with that good of a safety record. Do you finally get it?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Pal, you haven't beaten me in the slightest. The "too ignorant" one here is you. I kid you not. Keeping going though, this is fun. You can keep running back to your fact or trying to twist the timeline all you want (for example, you presented the CDC website after I made the TV news comment). You can keep going back to your comments about these "dangerous carnivorous pack animals that hunt." I've already proven you were just trolling this thread. Now you got me on the hook and you want to throw me back but don't want to lose face at the same time. Sucks, don't it?

I was actually posting my CDC link when you made your post, and didnt see it until my post was made. Now, since your so on top of things, let me ask you AGAIN. Maybe this time, if your not scared, you'll answer.

Did you put words in my mouth, yes or no?
Did you deny pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, yes or no?
Did I say herbivores are not dangerous, yes or no?
Did you say i get my facts from TV, even though I posted a link to the CDC, yes or no?
Did you avoid all my questions and just call me a troll, yes or no?
Did I call for a ban on cars, yes or no?
Do I know "jack sh1t" about animals, yes or no?

You need to go re-read all our posts. I've addressed all of your points, you've addressed none of mine. Not only have you not addressed my points, you've put words in my mouth and pulled up statistics that have absolutely no relevance to the conversation. We're not talking about tires ofd household appliances so why do those statistics even matter?

Seriously, go reread it all. You've done nothing but put words in my mouth, change the subject and post falsehoods (like this gem "Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks.").

So, since your so right, answer the questions I've asked. You havent yet answered ONE question of mine. NOT ONE.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh my God....I'm argueing with an idiot.

Well, now that you've put words in my mouth, denied facts and pretended to win I'll move on. Its obvious you have no idea what your talking about, cant follow logic, cant make a point without putting words in my mouth and cannot accept the facts its obvious its pointless to argue with you.
Your just too stupid to argue with.

I forgot to add, you STILL havent answered any of my yes/no questions from a few posts back....Why is that?
Oh i know, it would show your wrong. Dont want that do we......

Really? :roll:

How 'bout this? How come everytime on AT when I'm kicking some fools ass, he immediately runs to the cover of trying to structure his argument into some particular way that will favor only him, ala "When did you stop beating your wife?" and then claims I'm the one using logical fallacies when I refuse to fall into that trap? :roll:

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I've quoted you exactly. I attacked and decimated your argument in your original post in this thread. Like Captante, I initially mistook your comments for bites and attacks overall (pits do not lead that statistic), but I concede you are correct in that the lead in overall deaths. But wow... your only comeback to this "dangerous aggressive carnivorous pack animal that hunts" is 24 deaths in 2 decades. I doubt I could buy a hair dryer with that good of a safety record. Do you finally get it?

The reason we have to structure our arguments is because you have no idea what our talking about, so only 3rd grade structuring will do!! You pull up statistics which have NO BEARING on the thread. Who gives a rats ass about tires and hair dryers? That has NO BEARING on the subject at hand. We're talking about dogs in case you missed it. We're not talking about herbivores, yet you bring that up. We're not talking about tires, yet you bring that up. Nor hair dryers, but that seems to interest you as well.

You keep moving off topic. Your not kicking anyones ass but your own, becuase you dont stay on topic, dont address the issue at hand and dont accept facts.
BECAUSE YOU CANT. Because you have no idea how to respond, so you ignore the issue all together.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Captante
Interesting... I didn't look at any numbers involving deaths, only attacks & bites but I'm sad to say the statistics don't surprise me at all, I do have to blame the owners of these dogs more then the breed of dog itself because pit-bulls have some kind of a macho tough-guy thing for some people so they teach them to be aggressive.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, I've met some real losers that own pits. The "I feed my dog beer to make him mean" kind of idiot. My experience with rotts and pits btw is that growing up my best friend's dad was a breeder.
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. Rotts and pits are dogs that are literally so trainable and obedient as to be like machines. Sure, they're still capable of emotion, but they can be machines too. And you don't blame the machine when it's misused, do you?