Pitbull Problem/Question

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The reason we have to structure our arguments is because you have no idea what our talking about, so only 3rd grade structuring will do!! You pull up statistics which have NO BEARING on the thread. Who gives a rats ass about tires and hair dryers? That has NO BEARING on the subject at hand. We're talking about dogs in case you missed it. We're not talking about herbivores, yet you bring that up. We're not talking about tires, yet you bring that up. Nor hair dryers, but that seems to interest you as well.

You keep moving off topic. Your not kicking anyones ass but your own, becuase you dont stay on topic, dont address the issue at hand and dont accept facts.
BECAUSE YOU CANT. Because you have no idea how to respond, so you ignore the issue all together.

Analogy -- it seems you aren't aware of this word and concept.

Now hopefully you can understand that I have accepted and address your single fact of 24 deaths in 20 years in its entirety, and completely countered it as well. I have not moved off topic for one sentence.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The reason we have to structure our arguments is because you have no idea what our talking about, so only 3rd grade structuring will do!! You pull up statistics which have NO BEARING on the thread. Who gives a rats ass about tires and hair dryers? That has NO BEARING on the subject at hand. We're talking about dogs in case you missed it. We're not talking about herbivores, yet you bring that up. We're not talking about tires, yet you bring that up. Nor hair dryers, but that seems to interest you as well.

You keep moving off topic. Your not kicking anyones ass but your own, becuase you dont stay on topic, dont address the issue at hand and dont accept facts.
BECAUSE YOU CANT. Because you have no idea how to respond, so you ignore the issue all together.

Analogy -- it seems you aren't aware of this word and concept.

Now hopefully you can understand that I have accepted and address your single fact of 24 deaths in 20 years in its entirety, and completely countered it as well. I have not moved off topic for one sentence.

I'm well aware of what an analogy is, thank you. The reason that has no bearing is because I never said Pitbulls were more dangerous then guns or hair dryers or dryer lint. While I know what the point your trying to make is, it proves nothing. This isnt a comparison discussion of the dangers of various objects, its a dicussion of the dangers of pitbulls as related to other breeds of dogs.
Thats why I have to question your abilities to argue. I didnt say statistically pitbulls are more dangerous then car tires. I said, and I qoute here, "Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there."
You go off on a tangent and bring up dryers and tires, which have no bearing on the conversation.
Additionally, you still havent addressed my points. Adress them Vic. Answer the questions.

 

[Specop 007]

We need a new thread for this........

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
We need a new thread for this........

No, you two just need to go to sleep

Vic needs to head to Plaid Pantry at Jantzen Beach and drive me up some beer

 

[rbrandon]

i see the pussified stance towards piitts is still strong on these forums. : disgust;

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: rbrandon
i see the pussified stance towards piitts is still strong on these forums. : disgust;

You have a space between your colon and D.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Did you put words in my mouth, yes or no?

Sigh... if we must. No. I quoted you in fact, and used quotes and quotation marks.

Did you deny pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, yes or no?

No. Prior to your introduction of the death figure, I was going off the figure for total bites and attacks. Recall my previous comment about the timeline of the posts.

Did I say herbivores are not dangerous, yes or no?

Yes, you implied it clearly. I already addressed this. By using the fact that dogs are carnivores as the sole basis for calling them dangerous and aggressive, this clearly and logically implies that non-carnivores are not dangerous.

Did you say i get my facts from TV, even though I posted a link to the CDC, yes or no?

Once again, the timeline. And I have already addressed this as well. I made the TV news comment BEFORE you posted the CDC link. In fact, I could easily argue that you posted that CDC link for the sole purpose of spiting that comment. You lose here.

Did you avoid all my questions and just call me a troll, yes or no?

Ah, yet another When did you stop beating your wife question from you. And you accuse me of not using logic. :roll:
In this case, no, I didn't avoid any of your questions (in fact, I'm going out of my way unnecessarily to re-answer them here again for you so that you can understand them to your liking), and yes, I did call you a troll.

Did I call for a ban on cars, yes or no?

No, and I never said you did. Given that you are so up-at-arms about the dangers of these "carnivorous pack animals" and the 2 dozen deaths they cause in 2 decades time, I figured that you would also be concerned about the 40,000 deaths that automobiles cause every year. Pardon me for assuming you would be consistent!

Do I know "jack sh1t" about animals, yes or no?

You've given me no reason to think otherwise.

You need to go re-read all our posts. I've addressed all of your points, you've addressed none of mine. Not only have you not addressed my points, you've put words in my mouth and pulled up statistics that have absolutely no relevance to the conversation. We're not talking about tires ofd household appliances so why do those statistics even matter?

Seriously, go reread it all. You've done nothing but put words in my mouth, change the subject and post falsehoods (like this gem "Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks.").

Note "attacks." You were the one who switched this to fatalities, and have pretended ever since that you did no such thing.

So, since your so right, answer the questions I've asked. You havent yet answered ONE question of mine. NOT ONE.

No, pal, you haven't addressed a single one of my arguments. I've answered your "questions" (although the fact that you think I have to demonstrates serious immaturity on your part -- in debates, one bases his arguments on his statements, not on forcing the opponent to answer loaded questions).

Now, you're not worth any more of my time here, and I've had my fun, so if you don't mind, I'm off to bed (as it is 2:23am).

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm well aware of what an analogy is, thank you. The reason that has no bearing is because I never said Pitbulls were more dangerous then guns or hair dryers or dryer lint. While I know what the point your trying to make is, it proves nothing. This isnt a comparison discussion of the dangers of various objects, its a dicussion of the dangers of pitbulls as related to other breeds of dogs.
Thats why I have to question your abilities to argue. I didnt say statistically pitbulls are more dangerous then car tires. I said, and I qoute here, "Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there."
You go off on a tangent and bring up dryers and tires, which have no bearing on the conversation.

And I'm going off the fact that you attacked dogs in general. Not just one breed but all breeds. Whereupon this latest argument of yours falls apart, as you yourself opened the path for me to compare the so-called danger of dogs to just about anything.

Let's quote it again:

Originally posted by: Specop 007
That said, ANY dog has the ability to become aggresive and dangerous. People forget one simple things. Dogs are carnivorous pack animals. Centuries of breeding and domesticating them has done quite alot to bury that trait but it is a trait that still exists and will always exist deep within the dog. It is a carnivorous pack animal that hunts.

Thank you, good night.

 

[Specop 007]

I hope to helll this formats right and i didnt screw it up......

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Did you put words in my mouth, yes or no?

Sigh... if we must. No. I quoted you in fact, and used quotes and quotation marks.

"Or animals in general, I would say, with your "carnivore that hunts" comment. As though all herbivores are placid and peaceful!"

I never said all herbivores were placid and peaceful. In fact, I didnt imply it. I simply said carnivores (Dogs in this case) are dangerous because they are pack animals that hunt. A deer is not a animal that hunts, but it certainly is dangerous if you find a buck in rut.

Did you deny pitbulls are responsible for more attacks, yes or no?

No. Prior to your introduction of the death figure, I was going off the figure for total bites and attacks. Recall my previous comment about the timeline of the posts.

And after I posted the fact you never addressed the issue as you knew you were wrong. Instead you kept on blindly.
Additionally, and more to the point you posted false information from the beginning. Remember this..."Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks."....Your own words buddy. Which means your coming in here as the self proclaimed expert of dogs and yet dont even know the facts!! Your posting lies and trying to pass off your position as a position of authority based on those lies.

Did I say herbivores are not dangerous, yes or no?

Yes, you implied it clearly. I already addressed this. By using the fact that dogs are carnivores as the sole basis for calling them dangerous and aggressive, this clearly and logically implies that non-carnivores are not dangerous.

No, it was not implied. You assumed it, but I never implied it. I simply stated why dogs were dangerous. Dogs eat meat. Dogs are hunters. This is a genetic hardwired trait of the dog.
Deer are dangerous too. And I surely wouldnt mess with a rhino or elephant. This is all common sense stuff. ANY animal has the potential to be dangerous. But a carnivore will actively stalk you whereas herbivores will not. This is basic common sense stuff. ANY animal can be dangerous, but a carnivore particularly so because IT WILL HUNT YOU.

Did you say i get my facts from TV, even though I posted a link to the CDC, yes or no?

Once again, the timeline. And I have already addressed this as well. I made the TV news comment BEFORE you posted the CDC link. In fact, I could easily argue that you posted that CDC link for the sole purpose of spiting that comment. You lose here.

Fair enough. I'll admit due to the order of posting. But, if I was addressing you on that I would have qouted you. Nonetheless, I will concede that point.
It doesnt change the fact you were posting false information however.

Did you avoid all my questions and just call me a troll, yes or no?

Ah, yet another When did you stop beating your wife question from you. And you accuse me of not using logic. :roll:
In this case, no, I didn't avoid any of your questions (in fact, I'm going out of my way unnecessarily to re-answer them here again for you so that you can understand them to your liking), and yes, I did call you a troll.

In this case its not a Many Question Fallacy, its simply dealing with a 3rd grader. You nevr directly addressed my question until now. Not once. All you did was continue to pull up irrelevant facts and numbers and drag the conversation off topic. I believe this is because you knew from the get-go you were wrong and were avoiding that.
More to the point, when you agrue with third graders you have to do it on a simple level. You went off on tqangents with hair dryers and tires, what was I supposed to think?

Did I call for a ban on cars, yes or no?

No, and I never said you did. Given that you are so up-at-arms about the dangers of these "carnivorous pack animals" and the 2 dozen deaths they cause in 2 decades time, I figured that you would also be concerned about the 40,000 deaths that automobiles cause every year. Pardon me for assuming you would be consistent!

Remember this..."Where's your moral outcry over that? Your calls to ban cars everywhere?"....
I'm not up in arms over the dangers of pitbulls. Not one bit. Frankly, i dont care if EVERYONE owns a pitbull. I stated, very clearly I might add, that among dog breeds pitbulls were the most dangerous. This is TRUE. I didnt say they should be banned. Now cars either. To make it clear, let me reverse it... If i said Expeditions were the most dangerous car, would you ask me why I wasnt up in arms to have kitchen knioves banned? This is a perfect example of you going off on a tangent and making assumptions and poassing them off as things I've said.
So I am consistent. i dont care about pitbulls any more then cars.

Do I know "jack sh1t" about animals, yes or no?

You've given me no reason to think otherwise.

Likewise....."Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks."

You need to go re-read all our posts. I've addressed all of your points, you've addressed none of mine. Not only have you not addressed my points, you've put words in my mouth and pulled up statistics that have absolutely no relevance to the conversation. We're not talking about tires ofd household appliances so why do those statistics even matter?

Seriously, go reread it all. You've done nothing but put words in my mouth, change the subject and post falsehoods (like this gem "Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks.").

Note "attacks." You were the one who switched this to fatalities, and have pretended ever since that you did no such thing.

My very first post in the thread....
"Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there.
Additionally, pitbull attacks are generalyl worse then attacks by other dogs.

You can argue how good the dog is, how friendly the breed is etc etc but the simple facts show otherwise.

That said, ANY dog has the ability to become aggresive and dangerous. People forget one simple things. Dogs are carnivorous pack animals. Centuries of breeding and domesticating them has done quite alot to bury that trait but it is a trait that still exists and will always exist deep within the dog. It is a carnivorous pack animal that hunts. "

In this case, both attacks AND fatalities go to the pitbull. So while technically I did switch from attack to fatality, both are correct.

So, since your so right, answer the questions I've asked. You havent yet answered ONE question of mine. NOT ONE.

No, pal, you haven't addressed a single one of my arguments. I've answered your "questions" (although the fact that you think I have to demonstrates serious immaturity on your part -- in debates, one bases his arguments on his statements, not on forcing the opponent to answer loaded questions).

Now, you're not worth any more of my time here, and I've had my fun, so if you don't mind, I'm off to bed (as it is 2:23am).

[/quote]

Address what? That Firestone tires are still safe? What do you think is on my Expedition??
That hair dryers are dangerous? Obviously, its an electrical device used in close conjunction to water. I dont need to address your points because they have no bearing on the argument at hand, which is that pitbulls are statistically the most dangerous breed of dog. If you want to discuss tires by all means start a new thread. If you want to discuss the dangers of herbivores (Which is COMMON SENSE stuff) start a new thread.
If you want to discuss the dangers of pitbulls in regards to other breeds of dogs, then stay on the topic and quit bringing up hair dryers, herbivores and tires!!

Its hard to give much credibility to your statements when you posted a lie and passed it off as a fact
"Statistically, german shepards, chows, and labs cause the most number of attacks."
You were flat out wrong. This leads me to believe you dont know much about the breed since you posted false information about the breed.

Also, I was discussing the dangers out pitbulls in regards to other breeds (First post)...
"Statistically, pitbulls are responsible for more attacks then any other breed out there."
And you turn around and compare pitbulls to household appliances and tires. That has no bearing on the conversation.

You post untrue information, and post irrelevant comparisons. And you somehow think I'm supposed to take you seriously? Do you fail to realize the amount of baseless, irrelevant information you've posted??

You wonder why i have a hard time taking your arguments seriously.

 

[Josh]

You guys are really going nuts over this. I appreciate both person's time and energy spent over this argument, however the majority were right with it having nothing to do with the major topic. Also, the reason I didn't go to a vet because it was the weekend and I was just asking for some basic advice. She's going to the vet this afternoon....and if anyone would like to meet her, I'm in the east coast...she wont bite

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

I can't say anything from personal experience, but I can tell you that I have a friend that has been working as a veterinarian for over 10 years that any time the subject of pitbulls comes up his quote is, "There is two types of pitbulls, those that have bit you, and those that will." He says that the main problem with the breed is that it does not handle stress or surprise well, and tends to go aggressive as a default action. Given those traits, they are a nightmare for a vet.

 

[Patt]

Holy nerd-fight Batman :roll:

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

Other breeds bite much more than pitbulls actually. Pitbulls are close with golden retrievers in how much they bite with dobermans biting on average of 10x more than pitbulls.

The problem with pitbulls is that when they bite, they dont let go. Their jaws have many times the clamping force of other dogs and good luck prying them apart. Also pitbulls may be great pets 99% of the time, but for some reason, the dogs go crazy and attack like they were bred to attack all their lives even when they might have been great family pets for the other 99% of the time.

pitbulls=bad.

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: KLin
Please keep it locked up so it doesn't maul anyone.

Please learn about Pitbulls and stop being a chicken little.

Unless they have been abused, just about even the most dog hating Pits love people and wouldn't think of attacking someone. I had a Pit mix for 14 years, and a friend has had them over 45 years and none of our dogs ever attacked anyone, and none of them ever started a fight. My friend's dog sleeps with his 7 year old daughter, and has slept with her from about when she was nine months old, probably sooner that that, but that's when they caught him passed out in her crib one night. He was sneaking into it every night. The families (both sets of grandparents all freaked out, and they tried to seperate them, but the kid and the dog both whined to the point that my friend and his wife cracked and let him get back in with her. He's very protective of her, and she will never be kidnapped as long as he's alive. He totally loves that little girl, my dog was the same way with me.

I'm much more worried around a German Shepherd than I am a Pit. I've been bitten by a Sheperd.

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: NascarFool

Originally posted by: Josh
She's a beauty and she's extremely nice to all people. she has yet to even try and bite someone, she's just nibbling...i could never imagine her doing that. also, please read about pitbulls before you make general assumptions. it's all about how they are raised, just like children.

That's what most pitbull owners say and then something like THIS happens. The Police should have shot all three of the dogs. Hopefully charges will be filed on the childs parents.

Original Report

Did you read the article? Seems like you got your username right, at least the fool part. If you had read it, it seems that at least a couple of the dogs were moved there recently. and one had just come a couple of days earlier. This could have been a deal where there it started out as a sorting out of pack rank, and the kid got in the wrong place at the wrong time, and triggered an attack. This isn't some kid's dogs attacking him, it's another thing entirely. New dogs, of ANY breed have to bond with people in the house before you can be sure of safety.

 

[NascarFool]

hemiram, you are a wise one. At no time did I say the dogs were "long time" pets.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Josh
Although Pit Bulls have gained a bad reputation for their seemingly aggressive behavior, this breed can be the ideal pet for the right owner. Pit Bulls crave attention and are very loyal and loving toward people.

Other dogs, on the other hand, tend to bring out the aggressive behavior of the Pit Bull. Originally bred to fight other dogs, Pit Bulls generally will not tolerate other dogs, especially those of the same sex. But with an owner who is knowledgeable about Pit Bulls and their personality traits, this breed will flourish and bring a great deal of enjoyment to their human companions.

Pit Bulls tend to be very confident, loving and bright, but also very dependent on humans. If left on their own for too long, they will often develop destructive habits such as chewing out of frustration and loneliness.

A good owner for this pet would be someone who is very responsible and committed to the specific care required by a Pit Bull. Pit Bulls need a great deal of training, exercise and one on one attention with their owners to keep from becoming frustrated. They should also not be left alone with other dogs. Therefore, a household with no other pets is an ideal home for a Pit bull.

Contrary to the image that they have in the media, Pit Bulls can be great with children. In general, Pit Bulls love people, especially children. The most common problem associated with Pit Bulls and children is that Pit Bulls are extremely energetic and they have a tendency, in their excitement, to knock young children over, puppies especially have a tendency for this.

In General, this breed is very easy to socialize with humans and is typically a great deal of fun to have around. Many Pit Bulls exhibit superior performance when it comes to obedience training and physical activities such as Frisbee and playing ball. For these reasons, Pit Bulls should not be overlooked when selecting a pet if you have what it takes to care for this special breed.

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But...i'm not going to turn this into an arguement...relax everyone, my dog will not be an aggressor. Thank you for the advice as well about the dry nose.

link?

 

[hemiram]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

I can't say anything from personal experience, but I can tell you that I have a friend that has been working as a veterinarian for over 10 years that any time the subject of pitbulls comes up his quote is, "There is two types of pitbulls, those that have bit you, and those that will." He says that the main problem with the breed is that it does not handle stress or surprise well, and tends to go aggressive as a default action. Given those traits, they are a nightmare for a vet.

That's exactly the opposite of what my Vet friends say. They (one is dead now) both said that they liked treating Pits better than almost any other breed, since they usually have a super high pain threshold, and don't get nasty right away like others do when they had something unpleasant done to them. Most of them have a high "boiling point" like my dog did. He was being checked over by the vet and then he gave him this vaccine that had to be dripped down their nose, and my dog really didn't like it, like almost every other dog. He growled, growled again, and I told the vet that he's getting pissed, and he ignored it, and my dog was really trying to get loose, and he growled again, and this time he meant it. The vet took a step back, and that's what saved him, my dog went after him, and went for the usual "Get the hell away from me!" place, the cheek under the eye. This is where most bites on the face are aimed, they just want the bitee to get away, it's not really an attack, just a really strong warning. The vet said "I felt his lips and teeth graze me face!" After he calmed down, he admitted he shouldn't have ignored the warning, but he was in a hurry to get done, and almost paid the price for doing it. A minute after Gus went after him, he was getting his stomach scratched by the vet and they were buddies again.

I saw the same vet get bitten badly on the hand...by a Beagle, no warning, he poked him and the Beagle nailed him bad enough that he sighed, and walked back to the supply cabinet, and put stitches into his own hand! I cracked up laughing. He did it a few times a year, and the bites were almost always from either injured dogs, or from what most people would consider "nice" breeds. My old Beagle was not a nice dog, to vets anyway, and he had to be muzzled when getting shots, etc.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Josh
Although Pit Bulls have gained a bad reputation for their seemingly aggressive behavior, this breed can be the ideal pet for the right owner. Pit Bulls crave attention and are very loyal and loving toward people.

Other dogs, on the other hand, tend to bring out the aggressive behavior of the Pit Bull. Originally bred to fight other dogs, Pit Bulls generally will not tolerate other dogs, especially those of the same sex. But with an owner who is knowledgeable about Pit Bulls and their personality traits, this breed will flourish and bring a great deal of enjoyment to their human companions.

Pit Bulls tend to be very confident, loving and bright, but also very dependent on humans. If left on their own for too long, they will often develop destructive habits such as chewing out of frustration and loneliness.

A good owner for this pet would be someone who is very responsible and committed to the specific care required by a Pit Bull. Pit Bulls need a great deal of training, exercise and one on one attention with their owners to keep from becoming frustrated. They should also not be left alone with other dogs. Therefore, a household with no other pets is an ideal home for a Pit bull.

Contrary to the image that they have in the media, Pit Bulls can be great with children. In general, Pit Bulls love people, especially children. The most common problem associated with Pit Bulls and children is that Pit Bulls are extremely energetic and they have a tendency, in their excitement, to knock young children over, puppies especially have a tendency for this.

In General, this breed is very easy to socialize with humans and is typically a great deal of fun to have around. Many Pit Bulls exhibit superior performance when it comes to obedience training and physical activities such as Frisbee and playing ball. For these reasons, Pit Bulls should not be overlooked when selecting a pet if you have what it takes to care for this special breed.

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But...i'm not going to turn this into an arguement...relax everyone, my dog will not be an aggressor. Thank you for the advice as well about the dry nose.

link?

http://www.ezinearticles.com/?A-Pit-Bull-Could-Be-The-Right-Dog-For-You&id=81158

 

[tcsenter]

She's a beauty and she's extremely nice to all people. she has yet to even try and bite someone, she's just nibbling...i could never imagine her doing that. also, please read about pitbulls before you make general assumptions. it's all about how they are raised, just like children.

Those who think animals equate to children and that 'how the animal is raised' is the only factor influencing an animal's instinctive triggers for aggression or attack are precisely the type who are most likely to "raise" problematic dogs.

There are numerous documented cases of severe or fatal dog attacks where no evidence of mistreatment, neglect, nor even provocation on the part of the victim could be found after comprehensive investigation and interviews with family members, friends, and neighbors. e.g. a well treated, sweet family pet, good with children, 'snapped' for no apparent reason.

Animals aren't children. Animals have instinctive triggers for aggression and attack, some of which we understand, others we still do not. Further, the most intelligent dogs have the mental capacity of a typical 2 ~ 3 year-old child. Owners who attribute uniquely human qualities or traits to animals are proven to "raise" dogs with various neurosis and behavioral problems, because the owner places demands or expectations on the animal that it can never meet, such as "knowing better" than to engage in some behavior the owner wants to discourage.

Children possess the capacity to "know better", animals do not. How the animal is 'raised' is only half the battle, the other half is an owner who recognizes that he can never "raise" the instinct out of any dog, particularly gaming breeds that were developed for unrelenting aggressive drive, and religiously avoids situations where their animal could attack another animal or person when the owner isn't close enough to immediately correct the behavior or intervene.

I don't consider Pitt Bulls to be 'vicious' animals. In fact, there is no such thing in my book as a vicious animal. Humans are vicious, animals don't know better.

All dogs can and do bite, but not all dogs have the ability or predisposition to kill or maul. Some breeds will bite once or twice as a message or warning and let it at that. Other breeds are strongly disposed to attack until whatever they're attacking stops breathing and moving. Pitt Bulls and Rotts fall into the latter category by their NATURE, not nuture.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Stop with all the anti-pitbull bullsht. Other breeds bite too, they just don't make for sensational headlines. Stop listening to the talking heads. Do some research, get some facts, then come back and talk intelligently.

Other breeds bite much more than pitbulls actually. Pitbulls are close with golden retrievers in how much they bite with dobermans biting on average of 10x more than pitbulls.

The problem with pitbulls is that when they bite, they dont let go. Their jaws have many times the clamping force of other dogs and good luck prying them apart. Also pitbulls may be great pets 99% of the time, but for some reason, the dogs go crazy and attack like they were bred to attack all their lives even when they might have been great family pets for the other 99% of the time.

pitbulls=bad.

wtf? Are you thinking of another breed? Golden retrievers are one of the breeds often used for working with children as they tend to be very *unlikely* to bite. The only fault of golden's is that they behave like puppies for about 2 years... very active, and if with small children, it often results in the kids being knocked over quite a bit. However, small children can grab at golden retrievers and pull their hair; this will not provoke most golden's to bite or nip in retaliation.

 

[aidanjm]

I once knew a pitbull, who was the most gentle, lovely dog. Too gentle, actually, he sort of stood by while some a$$holes beat up his owner one day. (altho I don't think he understood what was happening)

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I once knew a pitbull, who was the most gentle, lovely dog. Too gentle, actually, he sort of stood by while some a$$holes beat up his owner one day. (altho I don't think he understood what was happening)

The same thing is true for a PitBull as for ANY OTHER BREED: If you abuse it, torture it, treat it in a cruel manner, feed it raw meat, etc., as some sick bastards do, it WILL become a violent, bloodthirsty monster. I've seen CHIHUAHAS that people kicked around for years that became mean, angry little bastiches themselves. Granted, there is MUCH more abuse of Pit Bulls than other breeds, leading to this problem of PB's attacking, but that's the fault of the OWNERS, not the dogs.

Treated with decency, respect and affection, a Pit Bull is a loving companion that will be loyal to you for life. I'd never own another breed of dog.

Jason

 

[Josh]

http://www.oakhurstvet.com/image/13757158_scaled_240x330.png

There's my baby girl . She's fine, btw.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Josh
http://www.oakhurstvet.com/image/13757158_scaled_240x330.png

There's my baby girl . She's fine, btw.

Nice Pup

Don't let her bite, even in play. It is safer that way for kids and the like. Even if she did not intend to, she could scratch a kid's skin or something just having a good time.
Young pups tend to chew on you for many reasons, teething being one of them.
The method I use to stop the biting and chewing is pretty simple: give them more hand than they could ever want.
They go to chewing, and I force the mouth open and stick my hand way in there. Oh they hate that!!No shouting, hitting, just a gagging mouthful of hand. They are smart and will quit that stuff right away. Be sure to provide for plenty of toys to chew.
Tired of getting jumped up on by wet paws, or hearing some kid cry who just got knocked down? The foot pinch cures that stuff. They put a paw on you, pinch it crossways across the toes. They learn that real fast. Don't pinch to harm, just discomfort.
I have had many big dogs who would stand up to visit you but keep the feet to themselves