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Muse

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Yes, I have a standard 6qt IP and use it frequently.

That IP chili WIP looks to be quite a project. I'll give it a good look! Thanks!
@Kaido

What is a jug of chicken stock?

I never buy cans of beans. I always start from dry beans.

Looks like I'd never make it as you describe and that even you never make it the same twice, so...

I never buy ground beef. I always buy either some kind of cheap steak or beef stew meat (almost always from Costco) and grind it at home. I choose the leanest meat I can find, so your admonition to use fatty ground beef, well, I don't know if I'm down with that. I have a bunch of bacon in the freezer because I didn't know I had some when I bought my last sliced slab at Costco.

Maybe I'll try this but I'm not optimistic. I've never been halfway pleased with my chili experiments. Haven't tried for many years. Hormel just knocks it out of the park AFA I'm concerned. I rarely buy/eat that, just for me special occasions. My favorite is over canned crispy Chinese chow mein noodles, however I haven't bought those in many many years. Haven't even noticed them in the markets these days, but I suppose they are there. I've tried to make my own but it's not really the same.

I suppose this would work, I'd get off a supermarket shelf though:

 
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DigDog

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I have never succeeded in making a chili that satisfied me.
i like me a nice chili, but it takes me 2 days to make it.

My opinion is that .. you may want to hold on to your trousers if you are from Texas, because they may fall off;
my opinion is that real chili has beans in it.

So much so that i consider a whole bunch of pork&beans recipes to all be cousins. Chili is just the spicy cousin from texmex. You know, from back when it wasn't clear who owned what land?

Because it's all some version of what the early british explorer ate. Beans keep long and they weight little when dried, and they just work great with pork, gotta get some fat in that flavour.

I would stretch this as far as that Texican chili is without beans for the same reason spaghetti shouldn't be broken - it's a matter of wealth. You can finally afford to have just the good stuff (the beef) without the filler. (cheap spaghetti would break during shipping and cooking, so spaghetti that remained whole through the cooking was seen as expensive)

But there is nothing quite like the taste that caramelized borlotti beans give to chili. Or any other "though" bean.

Pasta&Fagioli is kinda the same; bacon grease for flavour, some (white) beans to let the bacon taste come through.


omg i just realized i have become one of those "when i was a child" food bloggers.

My recipe is beef, tomato, beans, and a ton of bitter vegetables, such as cilantro, parsley, peppers, green onion, scallion, i cook the meat and beans fully, then finely chop the veggies and barely scald them. No more stewing onions for 2 hours, i want the chili to have veggie crunch and fresh veggie taste.
My chef tip is to salt the soaking water for the beans (you may need to do a 2/3 rinses first).
 
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DigDog

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What is a jug of chicken stock?
honest to god, make your own chicken stock. I swear i do this all the time, like, not "im gonna dedicate this afternoon to cosplaying chef", just casually while waiting for dinner.

Aluminium pot - on high fire - chuck wings or thighs in it - no oil, just coarse salt. walk away. leave chicken to get dark, have black spots. ideally, all skin-side down (you need to chop up the wings).
When the chicken is raw inside, but outside it looks like roast chicken, you are ready. You CAN remove the chicken, and put in just 2-3 thinly sliced onions, ideally there's enough chicken fat in there but it may need a bit of oil. Your choice if to really caramelize the onions for a sweeter taste (idk maybe to use for beans) or not.
Then carrots (mixture of chunks and thin slices), celery, 2 bay leaves (fresh always better), 1 small chili, a handful of pink peppercorns (needs at least a whole teaspoon), and hot water. and if you want to really boost that chickeney flavour, fennel, fennel seeds, and fenugreek.

and that's it. You cook until the chicken starts to become somewhat tasteless, but still tasting of chicken.

Drain and keep the stock, then cook the chicken, break it into flakes, mix mayo + chicken and make a chicken salad sandwich.
 
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Kaido

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@Kaido

What is a jug of chicken stock?

I never buy cans of beans. I always start from dry beans.

Looks like I'd never make it as you describe and that even you never make it the same twice, so...

I never buy ground beef. I always buy either some kind of cheap steak or beef stew meat (almost always from Costco) and grind it at home. I choose the leanest meat I can find, so your admonition to use fatty ground beef, well, I don't know if I'm down with that. I have a bunch of bacon in the freezer because I didn't know I had some when I bought my last sliced slab at Costco.

Maybe I'll try this but I'm not optimistic. I've never been halfway pleased with my chili experiments. Haven't tried for many years. Hormel just knocks it out of the park AFA I'm concerned. I rarely buy/eat that, just for me special occasions. My favorite is over canned crispy Chinese chow mein noodles, however I haven't bought those in many many years. Haven't even noticed them in the markets these days, but I suppose they are there. I've tried to make my own but it's not really the same.

It's a baseline workflow...I never make it the same way twice because I have never perfected it, because it's an eternal chase, haha!

I typically use dry beans from Rancho Gordo, but that's a little advanced for most people, so I have a can of beans listed for convenience.

The chicken stock replaces the water (for flavor). I prefer homemade in the IP (10x the flavor!), but for convenience, a shelf-stable container of it works fine.

I have an amazing ground beef tenderizing method. I use an LEM Mighty Bite grinder, but again, pre-packaged convenience is for people who just want to do an 18-minute IP chili cook, haha!

It IS a lot of ingredients. It's very easy to make, just inventory-heavy. The base is a blank slate to add lime juice, soy sauce, hot peppers, raw diced onions, etc. to after cooking in order to achieve the flavor you want! For me, it's something I like to tinker with once a month & tweak over time. It's kind of like having a tub of Legos & making something new with it every time you play, haha!



 
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Muse

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I make a chicken bone broth every time I buy a Costco rotisserie chicken, will next week. I use some when I cook beans or rice in Instant Pot. The collagen! I could add vegetables for more flavor, etc. like they say, but haven't been doing that. I started this around a year ago, know a nutritionist who does this.
 
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DigDog

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i must say @Kaido i had underestimated you.

Yes, my system and yours have differences, but i see we are both taking the same approach. I find that impressive, because very few .. VERY few people i know, care about taking cooking to this level.
 
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Kaido

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I make a chicken bone broth every time I buy a Costco rotisserie chicken, will next week. I use some when I cook beans or rice in Instant Pot. The collagen! I could add vegetables for more flavor, etc. like they say, but haven't been doing that. I started this around a year ago, know a nutritionist who does this.

You're gonna love this trick!


Then broth that up in the IP:


You can copycat the Costco chicken in the Instant Pot, but for under $6 at Costco fully-cooked, I rarely do it at home:

 

Kaido

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i must say @Kaido i had underestimated you.

Yes, my system and yours have differences, but i see we are both taking the same approach. I find that impressive, because very few .. VERY few people i know, care about taking cooking to this level.

Mine is more due to executive dysfunction:

1. I forget stuff easily. My ADHD will let food rot in the back of the fridge simply because I don't see it & don't remember.

2. I get overwhelmed REALLY easily. Too many steps & my brain shorts out lol. I primarily use the APO, Instant Pot, and Ninja Creami because they require low effort. It often literally hurts my brain to follow recipes, haha!

From the outside, this approach looks tedious & complex, but really it's just a calendar with minimal amounts of work!

For example: Homemade pre-cooked bacon

1. I can sous-vide a pork belly. Just vac-seal & drop in the SV:


2. I have a deli slicer & will make bacon slices:


3. I'll cook the bacon & then freeze to make homemade microwave-reheat bacon:


4. I'll save the bacon fat to use for later.

Unfortunately, I can't do this all in my head because I will space it. Instead, I stick the steps on a Google Calendar. That way, each step only takes maybe 10 minutes of actual hands-on time.

That's how I do pizza, too:

1. Make the dough & cold-ferment for a few days

2. Ball up & freeze in my silicone storage containers.

3. Thaw & roll-out on-demand. Load onto a Baking Steel indoors or an outdoor gas pizza oven with a SuperPeel. Cut with pizza scissors (hate, but love lol).

This is the approach that makes cooking accessible to me over time. Over the years, I've collected various neat tricks to improve my processes. For example:

1. No-knead pizza dough for overnight flavor
2. Cold fermentation for 72-hour flavor
3. Homemade sourdough starter
4. Fresh-milled wheat in my Mockmill
5. Einkorn ancient wheat flavor upgrade
6. Sprouted wheat berries nutrition upgrade

etc. etc. etc. Around the time I joined the forums, I was a broke college kid, so I started putting away just $10 a week into an auto-savings account for my kitchen toys:


Over the last 20 years, that's $10,000+ invested into special tools, ingredients, and education:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kaidomac/comments/rqxxcc/table_of_contents/

I pretty much just push buttons on appliances for about 10 minutes a day because my focus is garbage lol. It'd really nothing more than a fancy checklist system!!
 
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Muse

Lifer
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You're gonna love this trick!


Then broth that up in the IP:


You can copycat the Costco chicken in the Instant Pot, but for under $6 at Costco fully-cooked, I rarely do it at home:

I imitated Costco rotisserie chicken in IP a few times, reason being I saw online that the sodium level in the Costco ones is pretty high. I decided the convenience was worth getting the Costco and compensate by not adding salt to my IP cooked beans and rice, also not using too much of the bone broth at a time, problem solved.

That hack, well, it's not as granular as what I do. I can remove fat, skin, anything that isn't chicken meat from what I freeze in 8oz portions, being just chicken meat. Plus, that action with the plastic bag makes me figure that some plastic is sloughing off into what you eat. Eating plastic particles is in the news. I figure I should try to keep it out of my body.

I have dealing with the Costco chickens pretty worked out lately. I wear nitrile gloves, pull apart the chicken. Slice off the meat and dice and into a large bowl. Everything else goes in the IP, cover with water and pressure cook in the IP for 44 minutes. Cool, refrigerate, skim off fat and freeze or put in fridge. Makes about 55oz bone broth.
 
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DigDog

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@Kaido please do not put yourself down. you have posted SO MUCH stuff that i am in 100% agreement with, it would take me days to reply to it all. And, they wouldn't be critiques, they would be just comments, i.e. "yes there is THIS chemical reaction" or "yes THIS recipe does it all" or "yes, i ALSO use the same for THIS OTHER recipe", but my man, all i have is praise for you.

'll take me best part of next week to answer everything. please slow down.
 
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Kaido

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@Kaido please do not put yourself down. you have posted SO MUCH stuff that i am in 100% agreement with, it would take me days to reply to it all. And, they wouldn't be critiques, they would be just comments, i.e. "yes there is THIS chemical reaction" or "yes THIS recipe does it all" or "yes, i ALSO use the same for THIS OTHER recipe", but my man, all i have is praise for you.

'll take me best part of next week to answer everything. please slow down.

Nah, that's just my reality...having low energy & memory issues has had the surprising silver lining of helping me get MORE organized & do MORE stuff than I probably would have done otherwise! Because it forces me to write stuff down haha.

I probably only cook like 10 minutes a day most days thanks to this setup. I think most people aren't aware of great tools like the Instant Pot & don't have a personalized meal-prep system to make it easy, so then cooking often feels like a huge, overwhelming chore. Getting optimized checklists setup means that you can make really amazing food really easily at home!
 

GodisanAtheist

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-Gawd damn put some foil on that pan! Easy way to keep your baking sheets in good shape for a long time.

The pan pizza recipe posted much earlier in this thread has piqued my interest, it's been literally decades since I had one of those crispy bready pizza hut style pan pizzas...

Would be a helluva blast from the past.

Nowadays I tend to make my pizza thin crust and par bake it so it ends up with a nice crispy almost cracker like undercrust while being soft but not soggy on top after all the sauce and ingredients are loaded on.
 
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