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[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: azazyel
Not to get in the middle of this but there is a huge difference between a 17yr old and a 23yr old. I am not sure if you have ever read them but the mindset list by Beloit makes me cringe

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For me my late teens and early 20's were the times that I changed/grew the most as a person. But hey if you think you can make it work good for you.


(16-18)
-in highschool
-live w/ parents
-involved in school activites/part time job
-planning on college
-planning senior trip/ Prom
-might have a credit card/ some bills
-does not drink or has to steal/bootleg alcohol


23+
-lived without parents for ~5 years
-pays bills (rent, phone, util, etc)
-graduated college
-has had sex with more than 5 people
-been able to buy booze for 2 years

Well again this depends on the person...
17-19
US Navy
left home at 16...
In charge of a 80 million dollar aircraft..
on a Nuclear weapons loading team responsible for learnign EXACTING PROCEDURES.
already had made 3 trips around the world..
already had had sex with over 10 people..
able to get into any club with a Military ID..

During this time I met MANY 17 year old girls and men that were WAY more mature and professional than ANYONE on this board.
Different Circumstances = Different maturity levels..
If I am old enough to serve my country and load nuclear weps im sure as hell old enough and mature enough to date a 24 year olf or above woman...
and Vice versa for Military girls that join at 17...

I dont see the problem here at all.. it is NOT a black and white situation...

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Eli
Asshole.

pedophile.


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What the fsck? That was absolutely uncalled for. :|:|:|

Yeah, I'm a pedophile because I met a mature 17 year old when I was a whopping 3 years older at 20 and we fell in love. Right.

Again, why can't you just let people live their lives? I would agree with you if we were talking about a 13 year old, but you absolutely cannot say that about every teenager. WTF?

I have met 30 year old women that are less mature than my girlfriend.

You can take your sweeping generalizations about people under the age of 18 and shove them up your ass.

I can vouch for you on this one. I got rude comments all the time when I was dating my ex who is 15. Call me pedophile you name it. When I turned 18, in one of my classes everyone started singing happy bday to me, then after som biatch yelled "your a rapist now." That comment hurt so bad, especially since I love her and didn't have sex till 6 1/2 months into our relationship. If you were to go to my high school, you would see the most ugliest girls in my grade (senior). And if I did find someone my age, they were usually dating a 20 year old or something (like in your case). I was so lucky to find her, she is probably the hottest girl at our school. I dont look back on what I did as a bad thing, because now shes still is my best friend and maybe years down the road when the time is right we will get back together.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

Almost 18yo, living with parents, can't buy alcohol, not graduated HS yet, doesn't have a "proper" job (these are all "likely" statements).
Probably can't do whatever they want.
23yo, living on own, can do whatever the hell they want, probably finished education (or nearing completion), has a job.
Can do what TF they want.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

the difference is that at 17, the girl doesn't know what she wants. at 23, kate lee knows that she wants to be a golddigging whore and billy joel knows that he wants to fvck the brains out of a WOMAN less than twice his age.


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[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

Almost 18yo, living with parents, can't buy alcohol, not graduated HS yet, doesn't have a "proper" job (these are all "likely" statements).
Probably can't do whatever they want.
23yo, living on own, can do whatever the hell they want, probably finished education (or nearing completion), has a job.
Can do what TF they want.

Um I could do at that at age 16...
just becasue you havent grown up early and moved away doesnt mean others cannot..
who are you to judge?
as I wrote above I had my career in place by age 16-17..
i signed up at 16 while living in my own place and shipped out for the Navy on August 12 1988 my 17th birthday...

just becacsue in your limited life you havent done soemthing by a certain age does that set the rules for people that have...
there were plenty of other 17 year old girls and guys in the Navy when I joined...

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Eli
Asshole.

pedophile.


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What the fsck? That was absolutely uncalled for. :|:|:|

Yeah, I'm a pedophile because I met a mature 17 year old when I was a whopping 3 years older at 20 and we fell in love. Right.

Again, why can't you just let people live their lives? I would agree with you if we were talking about a 13 year old, but you absolutely cannot say that about every teenager. WTF?

I have met 30 year old women that are less mature than my girlfriend.

You can take your sweeping generalizations about people under the age of 18 and shove them up your ass.

heh.....I guess the forum wouldn't be complete without the drama...

 

[azazyel]

I was making a generalization, I am sure there are 17yr olds out there who are more mature than I was at 23. For me though, most girls younger than 19 that I have have known were pretty clueless. If you find a girls or guy who is young but fits your needs than cheers to you. But back at 23 if one of my friends told me that they were dating a 17 year old, oh god would they regret it. If they had been dating since highschool that would be different.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: PremiumG
23 year old dude i know is dating a girl who's at least 16 but doesn't look much older than 18 (if that). Is there a problem w/ that? He seems to like her and not just try to get into her pants.

He's getting some fine a$$.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

Almost 18yo, living with parents, can't buy alcohol, not graduated HS yet, doesn't have a "proper" job (these are all "likely" statements).
Probably can't do whatever they want.
23yo, living on own, can do whatever the hell they want, probably finished education (or nearing completion), has a job.
Can do what TF they want.

but the day they turn 18 does this suddenly become ok to do all these things (except drink)?

the thought of that makes me sick
we need to stop coming up with these magic numbers because there is definitely a lot of gray areas



if 18 and 50 is more right than 17 and 22 than call me dead wrong

though for the record i haven't dated anyone a more than a year younger than myself
if i was a father i would not want my 20 y/o daughter with some 40 y/o douchebag
and if she was 17 dating a 21 y/o if than i probably wouldn't be to pleased but that is something i can live with if there was good reason for me to trust the guy

16 y/o guy and 22 y/o woman deserves to sentenced to life imprisonment right
she is a pedophile but no one would think twice about letting this slide

 

[CVSiN]

lol if i was that 16 year old guy and some hot older chick wanted me hell ya!
thats fine =P

always did have some Hot for teacher action going with my spanish teacher... man was she hot...
prolly 24 at the time =)

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I'm 17 (but will be 18 in just 2 weeks) and my bf is 23. I've got to say there is nothing wrong with it, if they are both mature about it.

your bf is a loser. he can't meet the expectations of girls his age, so he goes after younger girls who don't know any better.

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Shut the fsck up you fscking prick.

I mean what the hell?

Would you say the same thing if it was 28 and 33?

Don't be such an asshole, and grow up.

Watch out, he knows grappling or whatever :Q

The man is a lonely little prick who feels the need to judge.

I think it is penis envy.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
16 y/o guy and 22 y/o woman deserves to sentenced to life imprisonment right
she is a pedophile but no one would think twice about letting this slide

Welcome to double standards.

- M4H

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

the difference is that at 17, the girl doesn't know what she wants. at 23, kate lee knows that she wants to be a golddigging whore and billy joel knows that he wants to fvck the brains out of a WOMAN less than twice his age.


=|

I did a 17 old chick once, so fvcking what?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

the difference is that at 17, the girl doesn't know what she wants. at 23, kate lee knows that she wants to be a golddigging whore and billy joel knows that he wants to fvck the brains out of a WOMAN less than twice his age.


=|

I did a 17 old chick once, so fvcking what?

How old were you at the time though?

- M4H

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah, I'm a pedophile because I wanted to fvck a virgin 17 year old because i ejaculate prematurely and girls my age would laugh in my face? Right.

Again, why can't you just let people live their lives? I would agree with you if we were talking about a 13 year old, but you absolutely cannot say that about every teenager. WTF?

I have met 30 year old women that are less mature than my girlfriend.

You can take your sweeping generalizations about people under the age of 18 and shove them up your ass.

fixed.


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Hey man, shut the fsck up. You've gone WAY too far with this.

For the record, we dated for 7 months before we had sex.

It has nothing to do with age. Absolutely nothing. It has everything to do with two individuals deciding that they like eachother. I dated an older woman before I met my current girlfriend.

So just shove it up your ass, OK?

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Why do you put so much imporance in an arbitrary number? It all depends on the persons maturity level. Like I said, there are older women with the maturity level of a teenager, just like there are teenagers with the maturity level of an older women. If you don't believe that, then you are blind.

Do you think I would have even given her a second look if she was a stupid ditzy teenager with the brain of an amoeba? Of course not.

Grow up.

okay okay ... now i was with Eli on this one until this post and seeing his past reactions. speaking of maturity levels, the way you are reacting to a comment from a guy, on an internet forum, who you do not even know in person and will have no affect on your life ever, is what i would say is very IMMATURE. you are getting all worked up over this, and you keep going at the name calling and sounding like a little immature kid. i know he's egging on your actions, but you sound very ignorant when you type out of rage or whatever you call it.

and for the record, your girl may act mature, but from the pic in your sig i would have to say that she looks like a little girl. but again, i know its not all looks in a relationship, and i guess she's very mature, as you say and are ...

 

[EmperorIQ]

Seriously guys give Eli a break. He hasn't lost his cool yet until being called a pedophile. He obviously loves his gf and wasn't even with her just for A$$. When i was dating my gf (me + 1 yr 3 month older, about 18- [16,17]) I felt a bit weird but that's only because people were giving me sh1t about it. I guess my range isn't as big, but I was in college and she was finishing up High School. If it is a obvious that the couple truly loves each other and that the girl or boy is really mature for their age then support them if they're your friends. I now have a friend that is 21 dating a 17 yr old. That may seem weird but the girl is very mature, and i'm happy for him.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

the difference is that at 17, the girl doesn't know what she wants. at 23, kate lee knows that she wants to be a golddigging whore and billy joel knows that he wants to fvck the brains out of a WOMAN less than twice his age.


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I did a 17 old chick once, so fvcking what?

How old were you at the time though?

- M4H

13

 

[thirdlegstump]

Dude, it's freakin FINE. I was 23 dating an 18 year old and we did EVERYTHING that your sick minds can imagine.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
Seriously guys give Eli a break. He hasn't lost his cool yet until being called a pedophile. He obviously loves his gf and wasn't even with her just for A$$. When i was dating my gf (me + 1 yr 3 month older, about 18- [16,17]) I felt a bit weird but that's only because people were giving me sh1t about it. I guess my range isn't as big, but I was in college and she was finishing up High School. If it is a obvious that the couple truly loves each other and that the girl or boy is really mature for their age then support them if they're your friends. I now have a friend that is 21 dating a 17 yr old. That may seem weird but the girl is very mature, and i'm happy for him.

Heh, i would have snapped out more than he did if some moronic imbecil like NEO would have called me that.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Dude, it's freakin FINE. I was 23 dating an 18 year old and we did EVERYTHING that your sick minds can imagine.

Donkey?

 

[Gulzakar]

it's not that bad...7 year diff at most... I've seen worse.

Jusdge not by the age but the age within.

I think as long as nothing sexual happens, it isn't illegal, right?

 

[Apocalypse23]

Haven't read much of the thread, but personally when I was 16, I couldn't even get along with most girls that age because of their immaturity level. My point being, being that old, personally I would find it hard to 'get with' a girl that young, because not only does it simply seem wrong, but i'd just have a problem with the difference of maturity levels and mentality.

 

[OffTopic1]

Don't know about 16:23, but I think 17/18 should be okay if the girl is mature.

<-- I'm 36 &amp; am currently living with a hot little 25 year old....and loving it

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: mchammer187
16 y/o guy and 22 y/o woman deserves to sentenced to life imprisonment right
she is a pedophile but no one would think twice about letting this slide

Welcome to double standards.

- M4H

i just think the ones saying a 20/21 y/o dating a 17 year old a pedophile are the same ones

that will at 35 will wait till the very second a woman turns 18 and then do whatever the hell they want with them because to them they are suddenly "adults" :roll:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How is that any less evil in your eyes?
she is only 23.. he is a 55 year old man..
that should be illegal..
how is a 23 year old dating a almost 18 year old any different?
you guys said it was intrests..

what could this 23 year old possibly have in common with Billy Joel... except maybe HIS MONEY...

I dont see the good vs bad line... here.. i see Billy Joel as much more the dirty old man than I see the posters friend...

the difference is that at 17, the girl doesn't know what she wants. at 23, kate lee knows that she wants to be a golddigging whore and billy joel knows that he wants to fvck the brains out of a WOMAN less than twice his age.


=|

I did a 17 old chick once, so fvcking what?

How old were you at the time though?

- M4H

13

Well then, you's a Pimp, son.

- M4H