Pledge of Allegiance: Unconstitutional.

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Why should a public school force someone to make that choice?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Why should a public school force someone to make that choice?

Huh? What does that have to do with my question?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Seriously tho, even in elemtry school I never said the "under God" part, I just stayed silent for that. Its unfortunate that you make kids have to make that choice, but its not really a top political priority for me.

Part of me wants to see it out as a big FU to the fundies who think the own this country, but the more sensible half realizes doing this would push even more RRR drones to the polls and we'd get even more F'd up politicos running things than we do now. Best to let that sleeping dog lay.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Would it be politically corect to change it to say 'under Bush' ?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Why should a public school force someone to make that choice?

Huh? What does that have to do with my question?

C'mon man. /shakes head.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Why should a public school force someone to make that choice?

Huh? What does that have to do with my question?

C'mon man. /shakes head.

Oh, yeah - this is ATOT , where people make blanket arguments with nothing to back them up. Sorry, I was confused for a moment.

 

[Caminetto]

You folks must have fairy tales lives if this is a problem for you, congratulations on your luck.

If I live in Xezna where they believe rocks are holy, I have no problem with "one Xezna under rocks".

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why should the government mandate children say "under God"? This is public school, the government has no power to push religion.

Where is it mandated that anybody has to say it?

Why should a public school force someone to make that choice?

Saying the allegiance is NOT mandated, period. So stop whining about removing that two word phrase if you don't have to say it in the first place.

 

[Xonoahbin]

I don't believe in "God" per say, yet I still recite that part. This is just a bunch of morons too uptight about religion with too much time on their hands. You don't like it, you should just shush about it- either recite it and not mean it or don't recite it. People want everything perfect, it's never going to be. Why not make it under Bush? Then we can have even more morons arguing about it..

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: marvdmartian

Its a problem if you don't worship the Christian gawd

No, it's a problem if you ASSUME it means the Christian god. Could mean Zeus, couldn't it? Honestly, everyone but atheists believe in some sort of a benevolent entity, and assigning a generic term of GOD doesn't make it Christian. If you used a more specific term, then you'd have a case.

Funny thing, tho......you take just about anyone that says they don't believe in the big GOD, or says they believe in something else......put them in a supremely stressful situation.......and see just how many "nonbelievers" start either praying to the god they don't believe in, or cussing him (her? it??) out!! :roll:

I personally don't care either way what they do with it. I learned it with "under God", and that's the way I'll always think of it. Perhaps the better solution for this country would be to stop trying to legislate and lawsuit everything to death?? :thumbsup:

I'm Nordic, so I want it changed to either "Under Gods" or preferably "Under Odin". And it only should be recited on Wednesdays. You monotheists can shove it UYA.

Hey dude, you need to keep that on the down low. We don't want these fools to know that they are unknowingly worshipping our gods!

 

[Moonbeam]

Why did they have to say 'under' God. Why not beneath God or below God or underneath God or subservient to God or something, but UNDER God? What is he doing, laying on us? Help world, get this big Oaf off us.

 

[Red Dawn]

While the verse "Under God" in our pledge is a legacy to one of the more shamleful times in American History I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to say it and most of the children and even young adults haven't a clue why it was added in the first place.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
While the verse "Under God" in our pledge is a legacy to one of the more shamleful times in American History I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to say it and most of the children and even young adults haven't a clue why it was added in the first place.

Because it's offensive to Mogogo who will have no other gods before Him.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
While the verse "Under God" in our pledge is a legacy to one of the more shamleful times in American History I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to say it and most of the children and even young adults haven't a clue why it was added in the first place.

Because it's offensive to Mogogo who will have no other gods before Him.

There's no such thing as Mogogo, like all the other God Like Entities he was made up byacients who needed answers for questions that were beyond their comprehension.

 

[mect]

?Miss Wormwood, I?m a fierce advocate of the separation of church and state. Nevertheless, I feel the need for spiritual guidance and comfort as I face the day?s struggles. So I was wondering if I could strip down, smear myself with paste and set fire to this little effigy of you in a non-denominational sort of way. Boy, what a touchy subject!?

Calvin

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
While the verse "Under God" in our pledge is a legacy to one of the more shamleful times in American History I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to say it and most of the children and even young adults haven't a clue why it was added in the first place.

Because it's offensive to Mogogo who will have no other gods before Him.

There's no such thing as Mogogo, like all the other God Like Entities he was made up byacients who needed answers for questions that were beyond their comprehension.

You can't prove that God exists or that he doesn't exist. Therefore, any attemps at proving either of the sides of this argument are invalid and useless.
just making my my point

 

[Todd33]

Mandate was the wrong word, the schools lead the pledge. If you want to leave it in the pledge, then don't say the pledge in any federally funded institution. Does anyone actually believe it is Constitutional or are you just one of the Christians who think everyone would think like you?

Forget if it's important, or necessary. Was the ruling wrong, can you honestly say it was?

Of course the people that argue for the pledge also think "right to bear arms" means they should be able to buy/sell any weapons and ammo. How about we keep under God and give everyone a 1760 era musket and outlaw all other guns? Clearly you pick and choose when you want the Constitution to mean something broad, sweeping and strong.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian

Its a problem if you don't worship the Christian gawd

No, it's a problem if you ASSUME it means the Christian god. Could mean Zeus, couldn't it?

You know it doesn't mean Zeus. The very fact that the word "God" is captalized narrows down the possibilities to monotheistic religions. And that aside, you know it is referring to the Judeo-Christian god, and are just playing a silly semantics game. Intellectual dishonesty is still dishonesty.

Edit: And saying the pledge never bothered me because of the line "under God", but I think it should be changed back considering how many people feel strongly about the issue. Unless anyone can provide a compelling argument as to why it should be kept as is, I think it is the more reasonable solution to remove those two simple words, which aren't even a grand tradition as far as the pledge goes and were simply added during the Red Scare as a petty jab at the USSR.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
While the verse "Under God" in our pledge is a legacy to one of the more shamleful times in American History I don't see what the big deal is. You don't have to say it and most of the children and even young adults haven't a clue why it was added in the first place.

Because it's offensive to Mogogo who will have no other gods before Him.

There's no such thing as Mogogo, like all the other God Like Entities he was made up byacients who needed answers for questions that were beyond their comprehension.

You can't prove that God exists or that he doesn't exist. Therefore, any attemps at proving either of the sides of this argument are invalid and useless.
just making my my point

Who cares, I was just being facetious in reply to Moonie's off the wall post.

Back to the topic at hand. I'm an Atheist and I haven't much of a problem with the verse being included in the Pledge. Hell how hard is it just not to say it? If it makes others feel good to say it then why should I care? As long as they don't force me to say it every thing is fine. Hell sometimes I might even say it out of habit, doesn't mean that the words "Under God" means sh!t to me.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Why did they have to say 'under' God. Why not beneath God or below God or underneath God or subservient to God or something, but UNDER God? What is he doing, laying on us? Help world, get this big Oaf off us.

Maybe the poster who suggested it be changed to "under Bush" knew what he was talking about??

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Back to the topic at hand. I'm an Atheist and I haven't much of a problem with the verse being included in the Pledge. Hell how hard is it just not to say it? If it makes others feel good to say it then why should I care? As long as they don't force me to say it every thing is fine. Hell sometimes I might even say it out of habit, doesn't mean that the words "Under God" means sh!t to me.

Kids don't often understand that they can simply say "no" to their teachers at a young age. When I was in elementary school they would send you to the principle's office for refusing to recite the pledge. Changing that line is the simple solution. If it isn't such a big deal to you, it might as well be changed for the people who do find it to be a big deal.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Back to the topic at hand. I'm an Atheist and I haven't much of a problem with the verse being included in the Pledge. Hell how hard is it just not to say it? If it makes others feel good to say it then why should I care? As long as they don't force me to say it every thing is fine. Hell sometimes I might even say it out of habit, doesn't mean that the words "Under God" means sh!t to me.

Exactly.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Back to the topic at hand. I'm an Atheist and I haven't much of a problem with the verse being included in the Pledge. Hell how hard is it just not to say it? If it makes others feel good to say it then why should I care? As long as they don't force me to say it every thing is fine. Hell sometimes I might even say it out of habit, doesn't mean that the words "Under God" means sh!t to me.

Kids don't often understand that they can simply say "no" to their teachers at a young age. When I was in elementary school they would send you to the principle's office for refusing to recite the pledge. Changing that line is the simple solution. If it isn't such a big deal to you, it might as well be changed for the people who do find it to be a big deal.

Who's that, 1% of 1% of 1% of the American Public?

 

[Legend]

Kids don't often understand that they can simply say "no" to their teachers at a young age. When I was in elementary school they would send you to the principle's office for refusing to recite the pledge.

Agreed. I remember that happening actually. I thought those kids were anti-american.

This is America, not some religious theocracy. Get rid of the blatant propaganda.