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Pakistan arrests in 'bomb plot'

Pakistan has made a number of arrests in connection with an alleged UK plot to blow up planes flying to the US.

"There were some arrests in Pakistan which were co-ordinated with arrests in the UK," said Tasnim Aslam, spokeswoman for Pakistan's foreign ministry.

Pakistan had played a very important role in the investigation, she added.

UK police are questioning 24 people over the alleged plot, which is said to have involved smuggling liquid explosives onto planes in hand luggage.

 

[kage69]

Are you going to deny that suicide bombings are and have been a near daily occurrence in Iraq for the past three years?

Look at you run from your earlier statements and try to alter them. I'm not denying the presence and history of suicide bombers in Iraq, I just think you know jack sh!t about what's been happening, so you're content to spew whatever sounds good.
'Repeatedly, every day' is now 'near daily.' That not semantics, that's you not having the nuts to admit when you're blatantly wrong.

Whatever, I'll humor you - go and tally up confirmed suicide bombings. 365 x 3 = 1095. Your now 'near daily' total would be what? Half that? Less?

I'm not sure why I'm wasting time on you, it's clear you didn't even read the article by your 'liberal conspiracy' initial post. You're either lazy, stupid, or both.

What's the ratio of Islamic suicide bombings to Christian abortion clinic bombings over the past ten years?

No idea, but I'll wager a guess and say the Islamic terrorists have the greater number. Why is that relevent? I feel like the OP article isn't the only thing you didn't read...



Edit: Since you like wiki so much, I hope your counting is better than your reading. Would you like to try some simple division after that?

I think you need to lay off the FOX.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: kage69
Whatever, I'll humor you - go and tally up confirmed suicide bombings. 365 x 3 = 1095. Your now 'near daily' total would be what? Half that? Less?

I would say that number is about right.

Edit: Since you like wiki so much, I hope your counting is better than your reading. Would you like to try some simple division after that?

I think you need to lay off the FOX.

Nice. Link. You confirmed it.

Car bombs' Iraq toll: 1,000

Vehicles packed with explosives, often detonated by suicide attackers, have become one of the insurgency's most lethal weapons. An Associated Press tally shows there have been at least 181 of them since Iraq's interim government took over June 28 - just a handful at first but surging to one or more a day in recent months.

 

[kage69]

So now in addition to downplaying and changing your own words, you're acting like the number of suicide bomber attacks is interchangeable with the number of lives they took. Nevermind that it's been around 35 suicide bomber attacks since 2003, you can't admit that because the number you had in mind was easily in the hundreds.

Now that's funny. Congrats on making yourself look completely disingenuous hack. :thumbsup:



Good bye troll...

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: kage69
Now that's funny. Congrats on making yourself look completely disingenuous. :thumbsup:

Better than being a turncoat like you. Congrats on siding with our enemies just because you dislike Bush.

 

[kage69]

Better than being a turncoat like you. Congrats on siding with our enemies just because you dislike Bush.

:laugh: LOL! :laugh: Yes, thinking for myself and trying to keep a wary eye on facts totally makes me a traitor. God that's pathetic.

 

[wetech]

Originally posted by: kage69

Waits for the liberals to jump in and claim it's time to keep people scared in time for November elections.

You might be waiting awhile, they probably realized this was a British incident and that we're just being 'kept in the know' by our British cousins in this matter. Pity you didn't.
Unless you were really just trying to insinuate that liberals are saying a terror plot in Britain, run by Pakistani Brits, and prevented by the British government is all an effort to affect the US democratic process... In that case, link?

And they say the liberals won't stop reaching :roll:

It only took 3 minutes in the Bush: A 'stark reminder' of war thread for the calls of election year fear-mongering to show up. So it's not such a reach.

 

[kage69]

It only took 3 minutes in the Bush: A 'stark reminder' of war thread for the calls of election year fear-mongering to show up. So it's not such a reach.

With what happened during the last Dem convention in Boston, I can kinda see why.
Sure though, it's not a reach if it pertains to US politicians speaking on events or warnings in the US - but in this case that IS a reach becasue we're talking about something that was thwarted in England by the English. That's the point.

It's really not my fault that some can't wait to address criticisms as they arise, prefering instead to fabricate up phoney ones to ridicule. It's their fault if they don't even know enough to do that!

 

[BarneyFife]

The next step is going to be drastic like banning all middle eastern people on domestic airlines.

 

[beyoku]

They need to do a better job if they really want to catch terrorists and drug dealers. They say they have been investigating this thing for a long time.....hmmm.
My experience JUST coming back from Ethiopia Via london on Sunday.
-I had a Suitcase full of plastic bags of Ethiopian Teff. (White Powder Flour for cooking)
-Also 2 Plastic jugs of Ethiopian butter (looks like cooking oil).... all in my carry-on bag.
-Weight -30kg
-Mulitple times i gave them the heads up so i wouldnt alarm the Xray person.
-Even after declaring 2 items on the US customs Sheet i made it through 4 Xray machines with out them opening my carryon baggage before landing in JFK
-In JFK airport they didnt check, scan or xray ANY of my luggage, they just let me into the US at 9 PM.
MY rought was Ethiopia>London> via British Airways > JFK via American Airlines.
The security failed or just didnt care that what i was carrying looked like 30 kilos of Cocaine. No dogs, no test, carry-on bag was never opened.

So if they were looking for liquid they sure didnt seem like they were Sunday.

my post from other thread. bad job TSA

 

[randym431]

5 years after 9/11. And our ongoing war in Iraq, this threat should have never happened, if the Bush policy was indeed working. This is a wake-up call to wise men that we are and have been heading in the WRONG direction. And since Bush will NOT listen to the truth, or incapable of seeing the truth, things will never change.

Those that hate us and work against us are alive and kicking, and stronger than ever, thanks to a FAILED policy. A FAILED administration.

 

[ajf3]

I agree - I feel that is Bush's biggest mistake... pulling punches while at war in order to try and appease the media/left.

 

[StepUp]

I heard reports it was only targeting American airplanes (Continental, Americn Airlines, etc.) Any truth to this claim or is the knowledge of which planes targeted is unknown?

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: ajf3
I agree - I feel that is Bush's biggest mistake... pulling punches while at war in order to try and appease the media/left.

No, the BIGGER question is why you're HERE and not down at the recruiting office signing up.

Oh right...you "Keyboard Brigadists" don't do that.

:roll:

 

[Polish3d]

I believe that's true that the airplanes were the ones listed

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: StepUp
I heard reports it was only targeting American airplanes (Continental, Americn Airlines, etc.) Any truth to this claim or is the knowledge of which planes targeted is unknown?

Not sure but they were also targeting some airline called Qatar Airways.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Doboji


I think I understand you now Joker... you are a good hearted incredibly naive person.

1) How do you recommend overthrowing Saudi's leadership... there are these 2 little cities in Saudi Arabia... called Mecca and Medina.. the two holiest cities in all of Islam. If we were to even hint at going into Saudi Arabia on a military offensive, muslims in our own country would go apesh1t.
2)Hey Musharaff.... step down... Musharaff says... ummm no... we say... uhhh please?
3)I'm sure Hezbollah would complacantly hand over their arms when a Nato soldier shows up at their door... sure sir... here are my Ak47s and my Bomb belt... would you like a cup of tea?
4)Where would this buffer zone exist exactly? Have you ever been to Israel? The west Bank and Gaza strip ARE the buffer zones.
5)Yes that is the goal... but the question is not what? it is how?.

1. Depose of them via covert operations much like how several other leaders of other countries have ben deposed. Let it be known to their family that unless they step down, they can expect the same treatment. The Saud family are a bunch of cowards anyway so I doubt there would be much resistance.

2. Musharaff isn't stepping down because the US hasn't asked him to yet. He's there because he's doing a few dirty jobs for the US in exchange for legitimizing his hold on Pakistan and stopping democracy from flourishing; of course this contradicts US policy of spreading "freedom and democracy" since a few of the US's key ally's has neither.

3. Hezbollah doesn't need to cooperate, they need to be told on no uncertain terms by the Lebanese government that they are no longer allowed to keep arms. If they resist then let NATO (along with UN troops from Muslim countries) and Lebanese military take care of them on the streets. I'm sure if the Lebanese government is involved, popular opinion will sway in their direction anyway; this won't happen until Israel stops it's violent attacks against civilians.

4. The buffer zone can be drawn in after a contiguous Palestinan state is defined0--not a fragmented one like Israel has proposed in the past. Problem is I doubt anyone is really serious about forming a Palestinian state.

5. Simple, deploy the national guard on our borders and make sure no illegal immigrants are allowed through. Problem is the US will never do that because we "need" Mexican (wage slave) labor to keep the agricultural industry running.


The problem as I see it is that both sides (pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli) spread so much propaganda and vitriolic speech about one another (Samur is a perfect example of someone that spreads nothing but hate about Islam and Muslims) that issues stay polarized and nothing gets done. Nobody wants to look at the practical solutions because it ends up looking biased to one group or another and a practical solution doesn't neccessarily fit the US's agenda (e.g. democratization of Pakistan in the short term).

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Riddle me this...let's say you're a terrorist trying to blow up planes in the US. You recognize that security in the US is pretty tight so you want to get on an international flight and come into the country that way. Why the F would start your flight in the UK? It seems to me like they would have been much better off flying in from Mexico, Jamaica or something like that.

To laugh at both of the major players instead of just one - spite the US and Britain in one go. The bad guys recruited some UK citizens to achieve this.

Now I'm wondering if people think that banning liquid in carry-ons is really going to make a big impact. How long will it be until these guys stop worrying about the 'suicide' part and just start loading bombs in checked baggage, then ditching?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Aimster
my girlfriend is scheduled to return back to the U.S from Europe. I believe Air France next week.

If they did anything.. I would dedicate my life to building a nuclear bomb and placing it in the heart of Taliban country. Go on.. give me the roll eye face .. cause like I can really build a nuclear bomb, right?

A very selfish comment. You would kill millions for revenge?

Been waiting for you to chime in. No comment on the nationality or the religion of these involved? Just concerned with Aimsters aggravation?

*cricket* *cricket*

We need a cricket emoticon

 

[firewall]

The tip-off about the bomb plot was by Pakistan leading to the arrests in London. They saved a lot of British lives. Good work by our ally!

 

[ss284]

Originally posted by: kage69
So now in addition to downplaying and changing your own words, you're acting like the number of suicide bomber attacks is interchangeable with the number of lives they took. Nevermind that it's been around 35 suicide bomber attacks since 2003, you can't admit that because the number you had in mind was easily in the hundreds.

Now that's funny. Congrats on making yourself look completely disingenuous hack. :thumbsup:

Good bye troll...

His original sarcastic statement was made to contrast the bombing to abortion clinic bombings, in which you poiinted out was an over-exaggeration. At this point you are just arguing semantics. Obviously suicide bombings arent a daily happening, but the definition of daily is pretty loose. For you to require 1095 suicide bomings for support of his statement is ridiculous. The ratio is important because it gives a good comparison of the level of occurrence between the two. Abortion clinics dont expect to be the subject of terrorism on a daily basis. Our troops do.

 

[kage69]

His original sarcastic statement was made to contrast the bombing to abortion clinic bombings, in which you poiinted out was an over-exaggeration. At this point you are just arguing semantics.

No, his original sarcastic statement was concerning an uproar of liberal conspiracy theories that never materialized over this topic. When someone mouthes off and cites numbers in an attempt to sound informed, they better be willing to back them up and it would help if said numbers are even close. I asked him to support his statements - I got a link on Iraq the country with no relevent figures whatsoever.
30-odd suicide bombings over 3 years is nowhere close to 'near daily'. It wasn't an issue of semantics, it was an issue of deliberate ignorance. If he had an ounce of integrity he would have admitted he had his info wrong and moved on, instead he tried to pass off death tolls as what he was originally refering to, and when called on it acted like a brat and pulled the coward/traitor/less American bs.

Obviously suicide bombings arent a daily happening, but the definition of daily is pretty loose.

I agree, it is a loose definition, which is why I appealed for some clarity on his part, even offering up my own arbitrary counts in order to give him an idea of what we're talking about.

For you to require 1095 suicide bomings for support of his statement is ridiculous.

I know I broke 3 years down into days in the hope it would give him a hunch over the kind of numbers he was making assumptions over. In fact, what I thought I wrote was "Your now 'near daily' total would be what? Half that? Less?"

The ratio is important because it gives a good comparison of the level of occurrence between the two

All the more reason to get the ratio correct, wouldn't you say? Keep in mind I've already stated the Islamic terrorists, with their concepts of martyrdom and jihad, have no doubt commited more violence than their US counterparts. Keeping in mind we have our own crazies willing to kill comes in handy when one might be tempted to look upon those from another land and culture as psychopathic barbarians.

Abortion clinics dont expect to be the subject of terrorism on a daily basis. Our troops do.

I don't think anyone is trying to paint your standard abortion clinic as being on par with a bad neighborhood in Fallujah. Although funny thing - I do personally know of a clinic in the South where the employees feared just that for quite awhile.
Have you ever been to an abortion clinic? There is a reason many of them have impressive security and surveillence systems, and why some of the practicioners employ bodyguards. I've seen the kinds of threats these people get on a regular basis, and the presents that are left on their doorsteps - not as extreme as fighting al Qaeda, no argument there, but it's far from some irrelevent one-time tragedy and it's been going on in a country that isn't a third world sandbox.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: kage69
No, his original sarcastic statement was concerning an uproar of liberal conspiracy theories that never materialized over this topic. When someone mouthes off and cites numbers in an attempt to sound informed, they better be willing to back them up and it would help if said numbers are even close. I asked him to support his statements - I got a link on Iraq the country with no relevent figures whatsoever.
30-odd suicide bombings over 3 years is nowhere close to 'near daily'. It wasn't an issue of semantics, it was an issue of deliberate ignorance. If he had an ounce of integrity he would have admitted he had his info wrong and moved on, instead he tried to pass off death tolls as what he was originally refering to, and when called on it acted like a brat and pulled the coward/traitor/less American bs.

If you go to the other thread on the subject, the "fear mongering" topic has already leaked in. The only reason that nonsense didn't start here is because I called it out before it started.

I gave you inflated figures because you choose to think the number of Christian fundamentalist atrocities in the modern world is somewhat in parity with those committed by Islamic fundamentalists. You want to disregard facts with a straight face, I will do the same. As for the traitor remark, allowing your dislike for the current administration forgive our enemies makes you a traitor and a turncoat.

Take Bush out of the equation and we have the same problem. 9/11 was planned on Clinton's watch. It would have been committed on Gore's watch had he won the election. The British plot would have happened regardless if it were Bush or Kerry in office. You may choose to not believe that, but God willing you won't have to find out the hard way if a Democrat wins in '08 and we get attacked again.

 

[kage69]

f you go to the other thread on the subject, the "fear mongering" topic has already leaked in. The only reason that nonsense didn't start here is because I called it out before it started.

Your comprehension, or lack thereof, is astounding. It's already been voiced by myself and others multiple times in this thread, but here we go one last time: your worries over fearmongering by liberals over an American admin in the US is misplaced concerning a foiled plot in Britain, foiled by British authorities, and uncovering British conspirators. The so-called liberal conspiracy theorists got that - you didn't.

I gave you inflated figures because you choose to think the number of Christian fundamentalist atrocities in the modern world is somewhat in parity with those committed by Islamic fundamentalists. You want to disregard facts with a straight face, I will do the same. As for the traitor remark, allowing your dislike for the current administration forgive our enemies makes you a traitor and a turncoat.

Again your difficulty in simple reading amazes. What part of "No idea, but I'll wager a guess and say the Islamic terrorists have the greater number.," and "Keep in mind I've already stated the Islamic terrorists, with their concepts of martyrdom and jihad, have no doubt commited more violence than their US counterparts. Keeping in mind we have our own crazies willing to kill comes in handy when one might be tempted to look upon those from another land and culture as psychopathic barbarians. ," don't you understand???? I have no forgiveness for these terrorists, sorry to burst your bubble.

Really though, you're the only one here disregarding facts, continually seeming unconcerned with the actual numbers behind your bluster. I ask for you to back them up, and you spew up a link that has no bearing on the topic other than being an overveiw of Iraq.

As for the rest of that paragragh, looks like more ravings from a child who got shut down. Yes, I think this admin is the worst we've had. Yes, it's criminally incompetent and at times seems downright corrupt. If someone like you thinks that qualifies me as being a traitor, well that's your perogative but you might want to keep that to yourself. Around here that kind of talk gets you laughed at and ignored for the future. Try to get this through your dense head though: questioning your government doesn't make you a turncoat. Pulling the 'I'm more American than you are!" bull is the surest way to destroy your own points.


I'm not going to bother with anymore of your posts, it's beyond a doubt now that you are just a hypocritical partisan shill who lacks the maturity to admit when he's wrong. I learned to stop wasting my time on your kind. Do try to grow up someday, won't you?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: kage69
Your comprehension, or lack thereof, is astounding. It's already been voiced by myself and others multiple times in this thread, but here we go one last time: your worries over fearmongering by liberals over an American admin in the US is misplaced concerning a foiled plot in Britain, foiled by British authorities, and uncovering British conspirators. The so-called liberal conspiracy theorists got that - you didn't.

A plot to destroy planes headed to -- The United States! If that wouldn't strike fear in the hearts of the Red States, what would?!?

I have no forgiveness for these terrorists, sorry to burst your bubble.

It seems you do.

As for the rest of that paragragh, looks like more ravings from a child who got shut down. Yes, I think this admin is the worst we've had. Yes, it's criminally incompetent and at times seems downright corrupt. If someone like you thinks that qualifies me as being a traitor, well that's your perogative but you might want to keep that to yourself.

This administration has nothing to do with you being a traitor. I dislike this administration as much as anyone. I do not support Bush or his policy on Iraq. Yet, I am not willing to get down and figuratively fellate our enemies for the sake of political correctness or my dislike for the administration, as you apparently (and many liberals) are. Recognize there is a major problem brewing in the Middle East which end up will biting us on the ass if we don't do something about it -- now. Sticking our heads in the sand and blaming the administrations (American and British) for "fear mongering" does nothing but detract focus from the real problem.

I'm not going to bother with anymore of your posts, it's beyond a doubt now that you are just a hypocritical partisan shill who lacks the maturity to admit when he's wrong. I learned to stop wasting my time on your kind. Do try to grow up someday, won't you?

Good. God willing you will not personally have to find out how right I am one day.