PNY OR XFX

[exar333]

yeah, not a fan of BFG...they are a lot of "show" and not a lot of substance...I have OC'd a number of cards of the last few years, and generally had poor-ok results with BFG cards...id stick with MSI, Asus or Gainward (most recommended)...just my luck...but i dont recommend them myself

 

[Whizzz]

I'm living proof that my expensive XFX PVT45FUD (Geforce Series 6 GPU 6800 Ultra) video cards suck!!!

I'm not impressed at all by their performance and should have got another brand, in fact I will be.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1584822&enterthread=y

 

[kurt454]

Originally posted by: Whizzz
I'm living proof that my expensive XFX PVT45FUD (Geforce Series 6 GPU 6800 Ultra) video cards suck!!!

I'm not impressed at all by their performance and should have got another brand, in fact I will be.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1584822&enterthread=y

Is it freezing, rebooting, running hot, artifacting in games? You are down a few points in a synthetic benchmark, and hollering it is a crap card?

 

[Schadenfroh]

have not had any trouble with my xfx 6800GT, but i have seen some bad things with pny, out of those two, go with XFX.

 

[Vegito]

Got a question... I dont plan to OC but I do need dual DVI.. don't need a ultra card.. it seems only BFG & XFX has 6600gt/6800gt dual dvi...

are evga cards decent ? or are they crap too ?

 

[unclebud]

nobody ain't mentioned the warranty of nan of these companies yet! talk about the warranty!
"Verto Graphic Cards FAQ

Question?
44) How can I get a refund for my PNY Graphics Card?

Answer
PNY Technologies will honor its products warranty. Refunds, however, are done on the retail level based on the individual store?s return/exchange policies. Most are 14 days. PNY offers lifetime exchanges on defective products. Please note that any physical alterations to the card will void the warranty as will overclocking. Overclocking is a method by which you speed up the card past its normal operating speeds this can be determined and will void your warranty. If the Video Card is defective in any way we will gladly exchange the defective video card for you, please contact our technical support to obtain an RMA (Return Authorization Number). ***NOTE: No returns will be processed without an RMA number.

Please note that physical alteration or overclocking our video card can be determined and will void your warranty.
------------------------------------
PNY Graphic Card Warranty
The following PNY graphic card products are covered by PNY's one year* warranty:

* Verto GeForce 6600, 128MB, PCIe
* Verto GeForce 6600 GT, 128MB, PCIe
* Verto GeForce 6800 GT, 256MB, PCIe
* Verto GeForce 5700 VE, 256MB, AGP
* Verto GeForce 6200 GT, 128MB, AGP
* Verto GeForce 6600 GT, 128MB, AGP
* Verto GeForce 6800 GT, 256MB, AGP
* Verto GeForce 6800, 128MB AGP
* Verto GeForce FX 5500, 128MB AGP
* Verto GeForce FX 5500, 128MB PCI
* GeForce FX 5200, 64MB AGP (Lifestyle packaging)
* MX 4000, 64MB PCI (Lifestyle packaging)


One year (plus an additional 2 years upon completion of a registration form on PNY's website)

All other PNY Verto graphic card products are covered by PNY's Lifetime replacement Warranty
PNY Warranty (1 year)
PNY Technologies, Inc. warrants this Verto graphic card product* to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for a period of one year (plus an additional 2 years upon completion of a registration form on PNY's website http://www.pny.com ) from the original sale date to the original purchaser, subject to all the terms and conditions hereunder. This warranty is not assignable or transferable.

PNY's sole obligation under this warranty is to repair or replace with new or refurbished product. This warranty applies only on the condition that the product has been installed, maintained and operated under conditions of normal use and in accordance with the installation guide provided. The provisions of this warranty shall not apply if, in PNY's judgment, the product has been subject to misuse or neglect, improper installation, damaged in an accident, or repaired or altered in any way that adversely affects its performance or reliability.

THIS WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ANY OTHER WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR TITLE AGAINST INFRINGEMENT, WHICH OTHER WARRANTIES ARE EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED AND DISCLAIMED. PNY SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHICH PURCHASER MAY SUSTAIN, EVEN IF PNY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSSES OR DAMAGES. IN NO EVENT SHALL PNY'S LIABILITY EXCEED THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE DEFECTIVE PRODUCT.

SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THESE LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS, WHICH VARY FROM STATE TO STATE. THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED, ALTERED OR VARIED EXCEPT BY A WRITTEN INSTRUMENT DULY SIGNED BY PNY.

Warranty coverage requires proof of purchase documentation evidencing the date of purchase (sales receipt or invoice) and original packaging. The consumer is responsible for all shipping costs. When shipping from outside the United States this will include freight, duty, customs fees and taxes. To obtain warranty service, phone PNY at 1-800-234-4597. The information in this document is subject to change without notice.
*product is defined as the VGA circuit card
(Rev.7.13.04)

PNY's Lifetime Replacement Warranty
PNY Technologies, Inc. ("PNY"), supplier of your newly purchased PNY graphics card (the "product"), warrants the product to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for the life of the product as sold to the original purchaser ("purchaser"), subject to all the terms and conditions hereunder.Lifetime Replacement Warranty is given to all PNY® Verto® Graphics Cards. This warranty is for replacement for like items only. Lifetime Replacement warranty does not cover items out of production if PNY no longer stocks them. (Lifetime is defined as the lifetime of the product on the market. Outdated technology is not covered by lifetime warranty if the item is no longer available on the common market as a new product.) This warranty is not assignable. PNY's sole obligation under this warranty is to replace or, at its option to repair, with new or remanufactured product, free of charge, with like or similar product, all the product's defective parts.

This warranty applies only on the condition that the product has been installed, maintained and operated under conditions of normal use and in accordance with the installation guide provided herewith. The provisions of this warranty shall not apply if, in PNY's judgement, the product has been subject to misuse or neglect, improper installation, damaged in an accident, or repaired or altered in any way that adversely affects its performance or reliability.

THIS WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ANY OTHER WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR TITLE AGAINST INFRINGEMENT, WHICH OTHER WARRANTIES ARE EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED AND DISCLAIMED. PNY SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHICH PURCHASER MAY SUSTAIN, EVEN IF PNY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSSES OR DAMAGES. IN NO EVENT SHALL PNY'S LIABILITY EXCEED THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE DEFECTIVE PRODUCT.

SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THESE LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS WHICH VARY FROM STATE TO STATE.

THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED, ALTERED OR VARIED EXCEPT BY A WRITTEN INSTRUMENT DULY SIGNED BY PNY. Warranty coverage requires proof of purchase documentation evidencing the date of purchase (sales receipt or invoice) and original packaging. The consumer is responsible for all shipping costs. When shipping from outside the United States this will include freight, duty, customs fees and taxes. To obtain warranty service, phone PNY at 1-800-234-4597. The information in this document is subject to change without notice.)
*product is defined as the VGA circuit card."

 

[darkswordsman17]

While Gainward makes good cards, their support is iffy at the moment due to their North American headquarters/branch being shut down.

I've just seen quite a bit of stuff that leads me to believe PNY uses low quality components. Sure there are plenty of people who have gotten good cards from them as well though.

XFX I won't recommend because I remember reading threads where it was all but impossible to even contact their support (wrong phone numbers, no one answers the phone, etc).

BFG has excellent, and I'd probably be willing to say, the best customer service. ATi would be second, but you won't be able to get a 6600GT from them.

Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, and the other more motherboard based companies are all ok for the most part from what I've seen.

Leadtek is good as well.

 

[Cheesetogo]

pny and xfx both are terrible compared to other brands like evga. I'd sayy that evga and bfg have the best service.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Lemodular2
Interesting, it seems like everytime someone brings up XFX, there seems to be a onslaught of .."I heard that...is bad" or "it's garbage..." or as someone puts it "walmart crap cards.." and here's a good one "...basically regarded as a junk brand around these parts--something you could find at a local store" oh my god!! you bought that at a store??!? ewww (turns up nose)

Seems like most responses that trash a certain brand is mostly hearsay and provides no proof. These "legends" are spread through threads like this with 90% of the information opinions and not actual stats. I will be doubtful until someone here shows me proof that one brand such as XFX is worst than others. How is it worst than another. Please dont post with a ..." I had a friend... yada yada." and please dont blame the mfg for card failure when you push it out of specs (as someone have posted in the past).

Come to think of it, I have never had any video card fail nor do I know anyone who has dating back to the triden cards.

If you want proof, hover around the video forums all day and watch the threads. Video card problem threads BY FAR have been XFX. I also don't trust PNY because of the CompUSA debacle where a good handful of people were reporting floating capacitors in their boxes, in addition to blurry 2D quality. When you get people complaining of poor 2D quality on their cards, that can sometimes be a sign of cheap components.

exactly

 

[fbrdphreak]

XFX != best

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Lemodular2
Interesting, it seems like everytime someone brings up XFX, there seems to be a onslaught of .."I heard that...is bad" or "it's garbage..." or as someone puts it "walmart crap cards.." and here's a good one "...basically regarded as a junk brand around these parts--something you could find at a local store" oh my god!! you bought that at a store??!? ewww (turns up nose)

Seems like most responses that trash a certain brand is mostly hearsay and provides no proof. These "legends" are spread through threads like this with 90% of the information opinions and not actual stats. I will be doubtful until someone here shows me proof that one brand such as XFX is worst than others. How is it worst than another. Please dont post with a ..." I had a friend... yada yada." and please dont blame the mfg for card failure when you push it out of specs (as someone have posted in the past).

Come to think of it, I have never had any video card fail nor do I know anyone who has dating back to the triden cards.

If you want proof, hover around the video forums all day and watch the threads. Video card problem threads BY FAR have been XFX. I also don't trust PNY because of the CompUSA debacle where a good handful of people were reporting floating capacitors in their boxes, in addition to blurry 2D quality. When you get people complaining of poor 2D quality on their cards, that can sometimes be a sign of cheap components.

+1

Hang around here a few months, you'll see how often people have XFX cards croak out on them.

And yeah, that PNY/CompUSA capacitor debacle knocked me off their brand forever (as well as the higher than normal level of problem threads concerning PNY as well).

 

[SniperREX]

I like my XFX 6600GT PCI-e.
I got 4200 in 3Mark 2k5 at 579/1160 .

 

[Goi]

XFX probably uses the reference nvidia design, so if they suck, so does nvidia's reference design. I personally own a 6800GT that artifacted, but the replacement I got from XFX works just fine, so I'm not complaining. I don't have any problems buying another XFX or PNY. They're all about the same really.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Goi
XFX probably uses the reference nvidia design, so if they suck, so does nvidia's reference design. I personally own a 6800GT that artifacted, but the replacement I got from XFX works just fine, so I'm not complaining. I don't have any problems buying another XFX or PNY. They're all about the same really.

YOu can use the reference design but sub in subpar components and turn the card into utter crap. BFG is my brand of choice for now.

 

[BillyBobJoel71]

bfg rocks! i have one right now, the lifetime warranty is awesome incase it craps out. go bfg, evga or gainward. tell you the truth, there all the same nvidia GPU, all have the same memory type and size, and all have teh same specs. its the physical appearnace and people who make the actuall silicon boards that differ. maybe the heatsink, board color and way the monitor plugs are different too. but no card is "bad," its the deals and friendlyness of the comany u want.

 

[Goi]

True, but do you have any proof that they are using subpar components? What components, and what brand/models of those components are you talking about? I'm not hearing of any bursting caps or spontaneous GPU combustion.

 

[Rexxenexx]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
XFX != best

Phahahah --> !=

Good to know this stuff.
I was thinking about getting a PNY Ultra because it was soooo cheap compared to others. I usually stick to ZipZoomFly and NewEgg but I wanted to get something FAST! Good thing I held my nutz and ran out the store empty handed

EDIT: Maybe I should rephrase that last line...
BTW, I'm also looking for a good priced dual-DVI AGP 6600GT or Ultra if its around $350

if ($x == "best" && $x == "AGP" && $x == "dual-DVI" && $price != "bullzhiat") {
$x = "WHAT!!!!??!??!?!??!?"
}

 

[CHfan4ever]

No problem with my xfx 6800gt here for 9 month...

 

[Paktu]

This is like asking: "AOL or Microsoft, which is best?"

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: keeleysam
MSI.

They have one of the best bundles going. I would say Sapphire is up ther too (although they don't sell nVIDIA cards)

 

[Avalon]

Thread resurrection!

 

[ryanv12]

Actually, I have a PNY 6800GT and it's very quality. As for their warranty honoring, the one I'm using now was actually an RMA from them. They have a skeleton support team, and it wasn't exactly prompt, but they did replace it. I would still go with MSI/eVGA/BFG though.

 

[Waylay00]

Never had any problems with PNY.

 

[hans030390]

I wouldnt buy from XFX or PNY because they sell them at walmart/best buy/circuit city/etc...usually, you want to avoid that type of stuff.

I'd just get a leadtek (of whatever you're getting) if possible.

 

[Waylay00]

Originally posted by: hans030390
I wouldnt buy from XFX or PNY because they sell them at walmart/best buy/circuit city/etc...usually, you want to avoid that type of stuff.

I'd just get a leadtek (of whatever you're getting) if possible.

They sell Samsung monitors at those places, but does that mean they're bad? No.