[POLL] - Smoking Ban

[SlitheryDee]

Partial ban.

If your favorite hole in the wall bar allows smoking and you think it shouldn't then buy it and change the rules. Otherwise STFU.

 

[SirStev0]

Have any of you heard of the war on drugs... remember how well that goes over...

Between this and banning fatty foods... I can not wait until you all get your wish and we are in the totalarian govt that decides everything you can and can not do. Just wait until mandatory minimum sentences for possession of a cheese steak.

Seriously guys, the gov't cant make a tax law that makes sense... how do you expect them to regulate these kinda things...

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Malak
You guys that think it's freedom to kill yourself just have no idea how to live. You want to support the right of people to kill themselves, and to kill yourself, because it's all about rights and not about wrongs. This has absolutely nothing to do with rights, it has everything to do with the point of having a government. To protect and serve the people. Banning smoking is within those lines and there is no logical reasoning to support allowing smoking to stay legal. It's wrong, period.

So if I don't like you, you should be illegal. I'll assume you're just another idealistic kid and that as you grow, you'll gain perspective, realize the difference between opinion and fact and understand that you're not God to other people with a divine right to control their lives. With luck.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Have any of you heard of the war on drugs... remember how well that goes over...

Between this and banning fatty foods... I can not wait until you all get your wish and we are in the totalarian govt that decides everything you can and can not do. Just wait until mandatory minimum sentences for possession of a cheese steak.

Seriously guys, the gov't cant make a tax law that makes sense... how do you expect them to regulate these kinda things...

I can wait. Their unhappiness won't make up for mine

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: MetalMat
If that would ever get passed, you might as well get a hammer and sickle and give up your freedom.

I love the ban on smoking in bars, but it should be decided by the bar and not the state/government.

I agree 100% ... I live in a college town where there is a huge smokefree bars initiative...

I wish they would try to convince the businesses and not the gov't...

Let me say this right now... I DO NOT SMOKE. I believe that kids should not smoke. I also wish there would be more education to stop smoking. Finally, I know all the risks of smoking and second hand smoke and the various diseases it causes.

That being said, If you want to go to a smoke free bar, go to a smoke free bar... Do not force a business owner by gov't regulation to refuse/throw out customers. It is there choice to allow it at their business. This is a consumer driven market. Make your changes by being a consumer.

If you dont like cowboy bars, you do not go to cowboy bars and therefore do not support a cowboy bar; you do not make it a law that cowboy bars are illegal.

I have quite a few friends that are all about smokefree bars because they hate the smoke and so on and so forth. It is an inconvince to them... However they have no problem not going to a bar because it is frat-tastic or because it is skeevy, there are smokefree bars and if they really supported they would go to that bar.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Amused
I would vote no on both. I my opinion smoking bans are a violation of private property rights. Businesses are NOT public places. They are private property in which the public is invited at the will of the owner.

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
It's amazing how much this country has drifted from the values instilled by our founding fathers. They would most likely be physically ill if they saw what the government was allowed to do to ones own freedoms these days.

:thumbsup:

Any other opinion is just wrong.

 

[kedlav]

Voted for the Smoking Ban in Ohio. Unfortunately, we've so many fvcking whiners in the state that it isn't being enforced while they 'figure' out who this applies to....

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Amused
I would vote no on both. I my opinion smoking bans are a violation of private property rights. Businesses are NOT public places. They are private property in which the public is invited at the will of the owner.

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
It's amazing how much this country has drifted from the values instilled by our founding fathers. They would most likely be physically ill if they saw what the government was allowed to do to ones own freedoms these days.

:thumbsup:

Any other opinion is just wrong.

:thumbsup:


Both of those quotes are dead-on.

 

[Captante]

In my opinion if you choose to smoke then that IS your right, provided you don't force me to smell the foul stench of your habit, breath in the 100% proven to be unhealthy second-hand smoke you produce OR force me to listen to moronic rationals as to why you have the god-given "right" to do these things!

Bars & reataurants should also be able to allow smoking on premises, however they should be required to clearly post signs warning that smoking is allowed, thus giving the vast majority of people who don't smoke advanced warning.... making smoking completely illegal outdoors or in specified (& well ventilated) public places however is WAY over the top & really shouldn't be required, however as usual its a small minority of total idiots who ruin things for everyone.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Malak
You guys that think it's freedom to kill yourself just have no idea how to live. You want to support the right of people to kill themselves, and to kill yourself, because it's all about rights and not about wrongs. This has absolutely nothing to do with rights, it has everything to do with the point of having a government. To protect and serve the people. Banning smoking is within those lines and there is no logical reasoning to support allowing smoking to stay legal. It's wrong, period.

A LOT of things can kill/harm you and you just can't make it all illegal. Here in Fla. we
have a seat belt law that says I MUST wear my belt. Yet there is no helmet law if you
own a bike...As long as your at it my as well ban skydiving, 400HP mustangs, alcohol
guns, fast food, ect..What's the point?? We are all responsible for our own choices good
or bad.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Malak
You guys that think it's freedom to kill yourself just have no idea how to live. You want to support the right of people to kill themselves, and to kill yourself, because it's all about rights and not about wrongs. This has absolutely nothing to do with rights, it has everything to do with the point of having a government. To protect and serve the people. Banning smoking is within those lines and there is no logical reasoning to support allowing smoking to stay legal. It's wrong, period.

A LOT of things can kill/harm you and you just can't make it all illegal. Here in Fla. we
have a seat belt law that says I MUST wear my belt. Yet there is no helmet law if you
own a bike...As long as your at it my as well ban skydiving, 400HP mustangs, alcohol
guns, fast food, ect..What's the point?? We are all responsible for our own choices good
or bad.

Yep, my body, my choice. My property, my choice.

Funny how the very same people who are pro-choice on abortion seek to limit just about everything else a person may do to their bodies. Same with those who support euthanasia. Their slogan is "keep your laws off my body." Well, no sh!t.

Well, keep YOUR laws off my body. Whether I want to abuse it and endanger it or care for it and treasure it... it's MY CHOICE. Not yours.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Malak
You guys that think it's freedom to kill yourself just have no idea how to live. You want to support the right of people to kill themselves, and to kill yourself, because it's all about rights and not about wrongs. This has absolutely nothing to do with rights, it has everything to do with the point of having a government. To protect and serve the people. Banning smoking is within those lines and there is no logical reasoning to support allowing smoking to stay legal. It's wrong, period.

You are a fascist. There are AA like groups for your type, who are all too common today. Completely self centered, and instead of considering rational solutions or the rights of others, you fret about your own personal privilege to deny others their rights so you don't have to be inconvenienced.

 

[WisMan]

I would and will vote no on any statewide smoking ban.

It should be the business owners choice, not the governments.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Malak
There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be.

Hmm, that's quite the dilemma all right.

The current set of smoking bans (no smoking in restaurants, gov't buildings, hospitals, schools, and most offices) seems just fine to me. I see no reason to expand it, and I'm a non-smoker. Banning smoking in places inhabited primarily by smokers, or where one could reasonably expect to find lots of cigarette smoke, wouldn't and doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by: Amused
Yep, my body, my choice. My property, my choice.

Funny how the very same people who are pro-choice on abortion seek to limit just about everything else a person may do to their bodies. Same with those who support euthanasia. Their slogan is "keep your laws off my body." Well, no sh!t.

Well, keep YOUR laws off my body. Whether I want to abuse it and endanger it or care for it and treasure it... it's MY CHOICE. Not yours.

Which is why voting strictly on party lines makes no sense. Neither party has a logically consistant platform.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

I would support both bans, if only because I'm a selfish bastard who hates the smell and I'd rather not have it around AT ALL. It's unreasonable but it's what I wish.

 

[HombrePequeno]

No
No

I may enjoy the fact that there is a smoking ban in WA but I don't support it.

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Amused
I would vote no on both. I my opinion smoking bans are a violation of private property rights. Businesses are NOT public places. They are private property in which the public is invited at the will of the owner.

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
It's amazing how much this country has drifted from the values instilled by our founding fathers. They would most likely be physically ill if they saw what the government was allowed to do to ones own freedoms these days.

:thumbsup:



Any other opinion is just wrong.

:thumbsup:


Both of those quotes are dead-on.

:thumbsup: Let Freedom Ring.

 

[chambersc]

Yes on both.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

No. and No.

Ohio just passed a law like this, banning smoking in any workplace. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[BigJ]

I hope all you people voting yes are willing to give up all that sweet tax revenue cigarettes generate and in turn pay higher state and federal taxes as a result.

 

[McCarthy]

No
No
For the property rights points others have covered.

Interesting, isn't it, that the vote is in favor of bans, but the majority of the comments are against.
It's encouraging to see people speak out against collectivism. Damned discouraging to see so many voting for it though.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: BigJ
I hope all you people voting yes are willing to give up all that sweet tax revenue cigarettes generate and in turn pay higher state and federal taxes as a result.

i'll gladly pay a higher tax if that means i don't have to be bombarded by smoke when i go out.

on a related note, austin banned smoking in bars and 6th street has never been better

 

[Linflas]

No
No

And no in general to the nanny state at any level.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: BigJ
I hope all you people voting yes are willing to give up all that sweet tax revenue cigarettes generate and in turn pay higher state and federal taxes as a result.

i'll gladly pay a higher tax if that means i don't have to be bombarded by smoke when i go out.

on a related note, austin banned smoking in bars and 6th street has never been better

Thanks for taking the bait

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: BigJ
I hope all you people voting yes are willing to give up all that sweet tax revenue cigarettes generate and in turn pay higher state and federal taxes as a result.

i'll gladly pay a higher tax if that means i don't have to be bombarded by smoke when i go out.

on a related note, austin banned smoking in bars and 6th street has never been better

Thanks for taking the bait

i don't see how no smoking in public places = no one smokes anymore = no more tax revenue from it.