[POLL] - Smoking Ban

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
The only people complaining about a ban of smoking are smokers.

I would have no problem with a public smoking ban... people can burn whatever they want to in private.

I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell and I see it as a blatant violation of private property rules.

See what happens when you make stupid assumptions that everyone is as selfish with the freedoms of others as you are?

Well, guess what? Every libertarian you meet, smoker or not will oppose these laws.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Beachboy
The only people complaining about a ban of smoking are smokers.

I would have no problem with a public smoking ban... people can burn whatever they want to in private.

I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell and I see it as a blatant violation of private property rules.

See what happens when you make stupid assumptions that everyone is as selfish with the freedoms of others as you are?

Well, guess what? Every libertarian you meet, smoker or not will oppose these laws.

Not sure if you are flaming me or agreeing with me.

Anyway, I also consider smokers to be violating my right to breathe and I do not appreciate being forced to partake in their unhealthy habit. In addition to hating the smell I am also allergic to it so there is also a medical basis to my dislike.

The very idea of burning things in public is a rather bizarre thing anyway if you think about it.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Beachboy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Beachboy
The only people complaining about a ban of smoking are smokers.

I would have no problem with a public smoking ban... people can burn whatever they want to in private.

I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell and I see it as a blatant violation of private property rules.

See what happens when you make stupid assumptions that everyone is as selfish with the freedoms of others as you are?

Well, guess what? Every libertarian you meet, smoker or not will oppose these laws.

Not sure if you are flaming me or agreeing with me.

Anyway, I also consider smokers to be violating my right to breathe and I do not appreciate being forced to partake in their unhealthy habit. In addition to hating the smell I am also allergic to it so there is also a medical basis to my dislike.

The very idea of burning things in public is a rather bizarre thing anyway if you think about it.

This is easily fixed if you go to places whose owners have chosen not to allow smoking. That or telling an owner of an establishment of your condition. Let him decide. It is HIS business, after all.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Life, Liberty and Property. Property owner's rights ftw.

 

[eits]

yes for both

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

Don't go to the park?

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

Don't go to the park?

Most people are criticizing the ban in private places of business. The merits of a PUBLIC (read: not private) ban are debatable, but private has no place in our society.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

Don't go to the park?

Most people are criticizing the ban in private places of business. The merits of a PUBLIC (read: not private) ban are debatable, but private has no place in our society.

Exactly...I would have much less problem with them outlawing smoking in public places, but private establishments/property is a WHOLE different deal.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

Don't go to the park?

Most people are criticizing the ban in private places of business. The merits of a PUBLIC (read: not private) ban are debatable, but private has no place in our society.

I agree with this. I really have a problem with some areas completely banning smoking and not even allowing bar owners to CHOOSE if they want to allow people to smoke or not. If you don't like it then convince your friends to go elsewhere for your sake.

However, I do have a problem when I'm walking down a public sidewalk and have no choice but to walk through the smoke of the person walking in front of me.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Malak
Absolutely vote yes. There is no reason why smoking should be legal and many why it should be. It's just as bad as illicit drugs only worse because it's legal. It has a negative impact on the health of others around, especially on those like me. Smoking is much worse for me due to my condition.

Heil, fuhrer!

Umm, no to these people who think it is a detriment to freedom. Do you think it is worth the freedom when you walk somewhere with asthma and someone is smoking? NO. I cannot be around it because I feel my throat start to close. It is a disgusting habit. It is just another death statistic.

Jesus, what is so hard about "DON'T GO THERE???????"

Don't go to the park?

Most people are criticizing the ban in private places of business. The merits of a PUBLIC (read: not private) ban are debatable, but private has no place in our society.

I agree with this. I really have a problem with some areas completely banning smoking and not even allowing bar owners to CHOOSE if they want to allow people to smoke or not. If you don't like it then convince your friends to go elsewhere for your sake.

:thumbsup:

 

[Icepick]

Yes and Yes. I applaud the governor. Maybe it will finally stop stupid people from using our roadways and sidewalks as ash trays. Most (not all) smokers will toss butts on the ground wherever they are and refuse to use ash trays or litter bins.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Neither. Ever been around someone who is quitting smoking against their will? Now image that times 3 or 4 million.

 

[waggy]

I am against any ban that is imposed on any PRIVATE place. as for the public really can't say.

 

[BUTCH1]

If someone was in a park the second-hand smoke will dissipate quickly. In a closed room
of course you will re-breathe the second hand smoke again and again. How do some of
the people in this thread deal with diesel fumes, old cars and trucks on the road, industrial
fallout, brush fires, smog ect. I'm sorry, if a single sniff of second hand smoke outdoors
bothers you that much buy a respirator wheezebag...

 

[Canai]

I'm all for it!

 

[moomoo40moo]

Land of the Free?

 

[loic2003]

there IS a smoking ban where I live. Started january 02. It's awesome. I gave up, but would always want a ciggy after a couple of beers, but now that you have to go outside in the cold, I've not been tempted. It's a farking great idea.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
I'll support this when fatty foods are banned too.

Also, please ban cars; their exhaust is causing global warming, smog, and it smells. Until that's done, please raise the sales tax to over 100% the price of the car.

Nope, didn't think anyone would have a counter to this...

Everyone's just thinking "oh, I don't like smoke, so yeah, ban it". Open you're eyes and look at the JUSTIFICATIONS used. Apply those to other scenarios.

If the justifications to other scenarios don't make sense why apply it to ANY scenario?

Logic FTW.

 

[nweaver]

smoking is up to the person...

I don't think you should regulate much, even though it worked so well for Alcohol in the 20's...

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: nweaver
smoking is up to the person...

I don't think you should regulate much, even though it worked so well for Alcohol in the 20's...

If a smoker expects the general public to breathe in their exhaled smoke, then can the public expect the smoker to eat the food I'd jerk off onto? There really isn't much of a difference when you think about it.

The question regarding banning .. that is tough. I don't think you could ban it completely. If someone wants to smoke in their own home/business, then they should be allowed to. However, at the moment it interferes with someone who doesn't smoke, then it should be banned.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Beachboy
The only people complaining about a ban of smoking are smokers.

I would have no problem with a public smoking ban... people can burn whatever they want to in private.

I'm a non-smoker who hates the smell and I see it as a blatant violation of private property rules.

See what happens when you make stupid assumptions that everyone is as selfish with the freedoms of others as you are?

Well, guess what? Every libertarian you meet, smoker or not will oppose these laws.

I agree with you to a T.

 

[3NF]

Laws should be made by physicists, mathematicians, etc. Not by laywers, lawmakers, economists, businessmen, etc.

 

[Electric Amish]

Hey! You guys on the east coast. That rumbling you're feeling is the founding fathers spinning in their graves!

These smoking laws really piss me and my wife off. For the record, we don't smoke and never have, but as has been espoused by other in this thread, less freedom is never a good thing.

Utah is currently trying to ban smoking in your car with your kids (they've already banned smoking in bars and restaurants). So, smoking in your house with your children present is ok (for now), but not for the small amount of time you're in the car? :roll:

If you're a business owner, you should be allowed to make your own decision. Period. If you allow smoking and go out of business because of no one frequents your establishment, that's the way it goes.

I also have a problem with banning smoking in OPEN AIR public places. Enclosed public places I can understand the arguments, but places like parks? Smoke dissipates very quickly in open air. Unless every person, their dog and their child is chain smoking, I don't see the reason for the ban.