Same as last round
My I.Q. is dropping alarmingly fast reading some of these posts dudes!! Make it stop!!
Let me get this straight. You're criticizing people in the other thread because they're speculating about Fermi's specifications and yet you would pull the trigger for $350 without knowing how the card actually performs? Do you happen to have some secret numbers because I can't see anything but a poorly made fake benchmark which spelled Catalyst wrong.
Frankly, I've nothing against speculations but I don't like hypocrites.
From an enthusiast point of view:
On paper it looks like Nvidia may have won, with their Tesselation and Physx enhanced support, also with the bigger memory numbers (1.2GGB and 1.5GB??).
Anyone care to speculate?
criticizing != attackingI never personally attack people. You are wrong.:twisted: I simply asked some questions.
at worst case (for 5870) it is 16.1 vs 14.5, totally not something to write home about.
at the end you might be right about more tessellation giving an edge to 470 in the future (the question is how soon?), but that example isn't a very convincing proof of it.
If that's all we can expect, I would take lower price / better oc'ability (again, this is an assumption) in a heartbeat.
The problem though is ATI probably won't lower prices. ITs been said more than once that there is only very few (in the lower thousands) fermis being made available during launch and even if fermi was double the speed of ATI it will have NO real impact overall on ATI sales (Some customers may hold out for more fermi stock though which could have a very small impact, but nothing ATI would worry about).
Jason
The lack of 5890s is telling me supply is still a trickle and we may see higher prices on the 58xx short term.
It's just weird because we are starting to see 5870's hit MSRP again and they are never out of stock. I suspect AMD is holding back and could start making more 5970's available when Fermi comes out, especially if it lands between the 5870 and 5970.
The big question: will ATI raise prices again knowing that Fermi I is zero threat, or are yields getting to the point where supply and demand is starting to match up?
The lack of 5890s is telling me supply is still a trickle and we may see higher prices on the 58xx short term. I wouldn't be surprised if people are kicking themselves and "waiting" to buy a 58xx in two weeks when Fermi is "released."
You think 5XXX prices are going to go UP when the 4XX series is released? Because they are no threat?
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My I.Q. is dropping alarmingly fast reading some of these posts dudes!! Make it stop!!
If the gtx470 is not $399 or less MSRP at launch, it will be disappointing. If that price is in line, then the gtx480 will likely be $549 to $579, or about $150 cheaper than an hd5970.
yeah, my IQ is dropping precipitously as well because I can't afford to upgrade at current gpu prices. thanks nvidia!!
I noticed that we're getting the same performance thats been out for months by ATI. Congrats Nvidia fanboys.
Yes, but Fermi is also 6 months newer technology.
It's not that ridiculous a concept, as people have said 11ty billion times, it all depends on how the GTX 4XX cards are priced.
If they are performance competitive but not price competitive or available in any real sense of the word at launch (and JHH's financial analyst conference call comments about ramping Fermi production in Q2 of the 2011 financial year doesn't bode well for that on a casual glance), then it makes perfect sense that 5XXX card prices may rise.
Shadow pricing makes perfect sense in that situation...
Of course, the GTX 4XX cards may be extremely competitively priced taking into account the levels of performance they deliver, and there may be no availability problems at all on launch, in which case you would expect downwards pressure to be exerted on 5XXX card pricing.
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