PointlesS

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hi well I was looking at a covad 1.5/128 dsl line and it looked good until I noticed that they used PPPoE...can someone tell me what pppoe is? I've done a search and I've just seen some horror stories about it but what exactly is it? and more importantly...should I get covad dsl or find some other isp that doesn't use pppoe?
 

eraser

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Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet is a proposal specifying how a host personal computer (PC) interacts with a broadband modem (i.e. xDSL, cable, wireless, etc) to achieve access to the growing number of Highspeed data networks. Relying on two widely accepted standards, Ethernet and the point-to-point protocol (PPP), the PPPoE implementation requires virtually no more knowledge on the part of the end user other than that required for standard Dialup Internet access. In addition, PPPoE requires no major changes in the operational model for Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and carriers. The significance of PPP over Ethernet has to do with its far greater ease of use versus competing approaches. By making high speed access easier to use for end consumers, and more seamless to integrate into the existing infrastructure for carriers and ISPs, PPPoE could speed the widespread adoption of Highspeed access services

Also, PPP over Ethernet provides a major advantage for service providers by maximizing integration with - and minimizing disruption of - service providers' existing dial network infrastructures. Through tight integration with existing back office automation tools that ISPs have developed for dial customers, PPPoE enables rapid service deployment and cost savings. From authentication, accounting and secure access to configuration management, PPPoE supports a broad range of existing applications and services.

In the end I do not believe it will matter what Provider of DSL you go with because I beleieve they us PPPOE as there method of connection. And it allows for authentication. Good luck in your search.

Eraser
 

Doh!

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pppoe is harmless. google is your friend by the way as eraser already knows.
 

JackMDS

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PPPOE per se is not a problem. The PPPOE software used by most provider is (aka WinPOET).

If you must use software there is free stable replacement.

RASPPPOE, PPP over Ethernet Protocol for Windows 98/98SE/ME/2000/XP.

However every PPPOE user is better off using Cable/DSL Router even if do not share or Network.

For the price ($20-$40) you get Hardware Firewall, and Hardware PPPOE "keep alive", DHCP server, 4 ports Switch, and more[/b]

The Router's PPPOE capacity is independent from the Computer, and it keeps the connection alive.

In case of PPPOE DSL Working through the Router should yield faster (5%-10%), and smoother Internet connection.

 

PointlesS

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do you think you could recommend a router? I'm not into networking and I really have no clue what router is better than the rest...
 

Fatt

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Originally posted by: JackMDS...However every PPPOE user is better off using Cable/DSL Router even if [they] do not share or Network...
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I've been saying that for years now...
 

cmetz

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PPPoE is a bad protocol. It was created by well intentioned but clueless ISP folks to solve problems with provisioning, authentication, and billing integration with their existing dial-up infrastructure - problems that were created from the misguided idea that ADSL was going to be a faster flavor of dial-up from the ISP's perspective. Since your ADSL modem hands off Ethernet, a dial-up line is PPP, and your ISP wants to treat ADSL as a faster kind of dial-up, you get.... PPP over Ethernet, or PPPoE. It increases overhead (that is, decreases YOUR usable capacity), decreases path MTU (causing a mess of problems) and adds complexity (which you can hide through a SOHO router). A LOT of folks I know who've had PPPoE-based ADSL connections have said to me that they like the speed and the price point, but that PPPoE is a real headache. I've heard this enough times that I'd avoid PPPoE where possible. But the problem is that low-end ADSL offerrings typically use PPPoE, and so you have a choice - a better connectivity at a higher cost, or more hassle for lower cost. And the cost savings is significant, so home users suck it up and deal with PPPoE.

If you're going to do PPPoE, I strongly second the opinion that you should get a SOHO router and make the PPPoE gorp its problem. This doesn't solve all of the problems that PPPoE creates, but it definitely will make things easier for you. These days, if you buy from a major brand like Linksys or D-Link, your ISP might actually even support you if you have trouble and are using it to do the PPPoE gorp, and so it would probably be worth your while to stick with the major brands.

 

eraser

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Try checking this router out.

Router

It is an excellent and inexspensive router. Very easy to setup.. Once you enter your user&password for your isp into the router the router will take care of the authentication process for you. If you do decide to go with this router make sure your update the firmware because of an exploitation that occured with the older version of firmware that was shipped with the router. The update is available on Linksys's site.

Eraser

Check this link out as well. Very informative on the topic of PPPOE

Here
 
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