Pre-emptive Strike . .

[CaptnKirk]

Wall of VooDoo

In a prevocative move, the Unified Mexican Cyotes, those who smuggle illegal Immigrants across the
Mexican border into the United States, have decided to pre-smuggle millions more secretly into the US
in an effort to get ahead of the efforts by the US to end the invasion into the US by every citizen of Mexico
who is strong enough to walk . . or even old enough to crawl, over the hunderds of miles of barren wastland
namely Texas and Arizons, to acheive lower working class status in the homes and businesses of those
special and priviledged people who have the luxury of hiring them to do the work that won't be done by US citizens.

 

[imported_Tango]

4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

 

[Moonbeam]

The wall is not to stop Mexicans from crossing. It is to pretend to American voters that the Republicans are doing something while preserving and maintaining the availability of cheep labor for Republican business who naturally vote Republican and fill Republican campaign coffers in exchange for their corporate welfare.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The wall is not to stop Mexicans from crossing. It is to pretend to American voters that the Republicans are doing something while preserving and maintaining the availability of cheep labor for Republican business who naturally vote Republican and fill Republican campaign coffers in exchange for their corporate welfare.

Well, considering that while they voted to build a wall, they refused to actually fund any portion of the construction ot it.

But they did award a huge multi-million $$$ project to Boeing for 'future surveilance equipment and services . .

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The wall is not to stop Mexicans from crossing. It is to pretend to American voters that the Republicans are doing something while preserving and maintaining the availability of cheep labor for Republican business who naturally vote Republican and fill Republican campaign coffers in exchange for their corporate welfare.

Well, considering that while they voted to build a wall, they refused to actually fund any portion of the construction ot it.

But they did award a huge multi-million $$$ project to Boeing for 'future surveilance equipment and services . .

Waiting to see what wall making corporation makes the biggest contribution, I guess.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The wall is not to stop Mexicans from crossing. It is to pretend to American voters that the Republicans are doing something while preserving and maintaining the availability of cheep labor for Republican business who naturally vote Republican and fill Republican campaign coffers in exchange for their corporate welfare.

Well, considering that while they voted to build a wall, they refused to actually fund any portion of the construction ot it.

But they did award a huge multi-million $$$ project to Boeing for 'future surveilance equipment and services . .

Waiting to see what wall making corporation makes the biggest contribution, I guess.

My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The wall is not to stop Mexicans from crossing. It is to pretend to American voters that the Republicans are doing something while preserving and maintaining the availability of cheep labor for Republican business who naturally vote Republican and fill Republican campaign coffers in exchange for their corporate welfare.

Well, considering that while they voted to build a wall, they refused to actually fund any portion of the construction ot it.

Maybe Pink Floyd they even provide theMoney?

Money, get away.
Get a good job with good pay and youre okay.
Money, its a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.

If the fence won't stop anybody then what's all the uproar over building it and the rush to cross? It must be slowing them down considerably?

From your link:

Jesus Villalobos, 31, deported from Los Angeles a week ago, plans to hire a smuggler before crossing again ? as soon as possible, to beat the new security measures.

"I need to get back because my daughter is there, my life is there," Villalobos said while resting at a migrant shelter in Tijuana.

"It's already dangerous to cross, and with another wall it will only get more dangerous and expensive."

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

That is a very good point. I was not aware of that though. Somehow I doubt that the government will look back on history before they procede.

 

[Craig234]

I guess you are saying to the Mexicans, 'Wish you were here'?

 

[sandmanwake]

Has anyone considered what this wall might do to the wildlife in the area?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: eilute

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

That is a very good point. I was not aware of that though. Somehow I doubt that the government will look back on history before they procede.

Actually, walls worked great until technology made them obsolete. This wall should be fine considering the level of technology we're up against with this particular enemy.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Has anyone considered what this wall might do to the wildlife in the area?

All the mexican field mice will have to stay in Mexico? The american hares won't be able to cross the border to party on the weekends?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eilute

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

That is a very good point. I was not aware of that though. Somehow I doubt that the government will look back on history before they procede.

Actually, walls worked great until technology made them obsolete. This wall should be fine considering the level of technology we're up against with this particular enemy.

The Great Wall and Hadrians wall being the two best examples, worked notoriously poorly

 

[trenchfoot]

"Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?"

ummm, i thnk the only people that think this whole wall issue is a joke and is absolutely not serious about it is president bush, the big businesses that rely on slave labor from mexico and the people that know this "wall" is pure political deception being perped by the neocons.

otherwise, that wall would look just like the one that divided east and west berlin.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eilute

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

That is a very good point. I was not aware of that though. Somehow I doubt that the government will look back on history before they procede.

Actually, walls worked great until technology made them obsolete. This wall should be fine considering the level of technology we're up against with this particular enemy.

Maybe walls as an idea worked well, but the specific wall idea being pushed is stupid...it's the effect of putting a big pole in the ground and hoping people walk into it. A wall is only as weak as the weakest section, and since the majority of the border will STILL not be walled off, I fail to see how walling part of it off is helpful. You can't half wall off the border.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

It's not a "very serious issue". It's a problem that can be solved through judicious application of common sense and reason...and that pretty much disqualifies the vast majority of the poeple currently very busy getting their panties into a huge bunch about it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

I thought it was a good joke myself

And I agree with EZduzit, if they won't work why all the complaing about the wall? Especially by the people south of the boarder, don't tell me they object to the wall because they don't want us to waste our money building it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

I thought it was a good joke myself

And I agree with EZduzit, if they won't work why all the complaing about the wall? Especially by the people south of the boarder, don't tell me they object to the wall because they don't want us to waste our money building it.

You say "especially" people south of the border, but your argument really ONLY works for people who aren't taxpaying Americans, for those of us that ARE, wasting money on some stupid wall as a cheap stunt to keep voters happy is hardly what I'd call a good use of government money, that seems reason alone to oppose it.

But there is another component of the great wall of America as well (and something I think EVERYONE, north and south of the border, can appreciate), it seems very symbolic of what's wrong with the whole illegal immigration debate. We have a problem that needs some sort of solution, and instead of coming up with reasonable policies and enforcing them in a meaningful way, we adopt an isolationist, anti-immigration view and build a huge wall to keep everyone out. Obviously this isn't quite what's going on, but it sure looks bad. An open society who's very foundation is built on people who wanted to come here in search of a better life simply does not build walls around their country. If we have immigration problems, we solve them with reasoned debate and well thought out policies, building a wall sends the wrong message.

Now I know that conservatives don't usually go for nuanced views and subtle "messages", and I'm also aware that you COULD make arguments in favor of a wall, but like I said, I think the message we send is a VERY important part of this debate. Part of the issue is that anti-illegal immigration looks a lot like anti-immigration to a fair number of folks, so a lot of time and effort is wasted fighting among ourselves when almost all of us agree that ILLEGAL-immigration needs a solution. Perhaps you don't agree with touchy-feely messages, but enough people do that it's a real part of the issue, whether you believe in them or not.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

My big question is: Why is Vincente Fox and the rest of Mexico throwing such a sh|t-fit about this wall if it's going to be so ineffective? If it's so obvious that it's not going to work, think of all the jobs illegals will get working for the contractors building it! You'd think they'd be cheering for it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

To barrow a phrase from SNL:

Jane, you ignorant slut

First of all little boy - I have ALWAYS been a registered Republican, however I don't have much control over'
the deceitful pukes that have taken over the GOP, and turned the current form of Republican Politics into a
replay of the Jim Crow Southern Democrat's game of the 1940's through the 1960's.
If you had the intelligence to analyze the trend, you would see that the Southern Democrats simply switched sides
and clumped together under Newt Gingritch's Contract on America to ursup power under false pretenses, and orcehstrated the shilling and apeasment of stupid reactionary fools to take power from the people.
Evangelic Christians - goofballs that are promised the entire cake and are thrown crumbs by GOP Polititians
who play off of spiteful wedge issues like Gay Marriage, Gay Abortions, Gay Banking, Gay Satanism - get the drift?
NONE ISSUES with 80% of the population, but some false threat to the uneducated base who have convinced themselves
that just because the think that if they associated themselver with the GOP Agenda, they will, by proxiy, be able to rub
elbows with the Power Mongers and Multi-Millionaires that use them like tools to keep power - Terri Schaivo was an exmple.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/us/06evangelical.html">Hell - the Evangelical Miniistries are in a panic as their 'Indocrinated Youth' is rejecting them.
Yeah, that's right, the kids who were raised to Fear God and follow evangelical doctrine are waking away
from their narrow minded doctrine as they grow up, mature, and find out what life is about in the real world.
Only 4% of those raised as Evangelical Christians are staying with the doctrine, and the Church Leadership
in in a state of panic realizing that the kids are so much smarter then their parents were that they can't
lead them around by the noses like the sheep and goats and cows their parents were.</a>

Fortress America - Let's build a wall to keep those who aren't 'White Enough' out of the country.
This country, wheather you like to admit it or not, has a horrific history of racism and biggotry
and the GOP has become proficient at playing a very supportive minority mindset against the 80% majority.
The most influential cause and effect on the historical safety of America is the spans of oceans
the Atlantic and the Pacific that keeps the Eastern Asian continent and the Western European continents
separated by distance from our nations, the Americas are composed of the CONUS,
Mexico, Canada, and South America.
Keep in mind that we're talking CURRENT world geography and history, not some 1700's Spanish Conquistadores
and Mongul Invaders sweeping down from Canada to kill our women and rape and pillage our buffalo - we did that ourselves.

What will a Southern Wall really accomplish? Billions to Boeing, make vacation travel to Mexico an inconvenience
for the Frat Playboys, and an alienation of the US by those who look to US for a sense of leadership and democracy.
Oh, it will pay waages to the illegal Immigrants that Boeing and PFWC (Pink Floyd's Wall Company)
will have to pay to get workers to stack bricks in the hot sun in remote areas that nobody wants to work in.
Maybe Jimbo Gilchrist and his 'Minute Men' (I think minute refers to their collective attention span) will do it for free.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
My choice would be Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd Construction Company . .

Nice to see you poking fun at a very serious issue.

Or is enforcement of our borders not considered an issue among the left?

I thought it was a good joke myself

And I agree with EZduzit, if they won't work why all the complaing about the wall? Especially by the people south of the boarder, don't tell me they object to the wall because they don't want us to waste our money building it.

You say "especially" people south of the border, but your argument really ONLY works for people who aren't taxpaying Americans, for those of us that ARE, wasting money on some stupid wall as a cheap stunt to keep voters happy is hardly what I'd call a good use of government money, that seems reason alone to oppose it.

But there is another component of the great wall of America as well (and something I think EVERYONE, north and south of the border, can appreciate), it seems very symbolic of what's wrong with the whole illegal immigration debate. We have a problem that needs some sort of solution, and instead of coming up with reasonable policies and enforcing them in a meaningful way, we adopt an isolationist, anti-immigration view and build a huge wall to keep everyone out. Obviously this isn't quite what's going on, but it sure looks bad. An open society who's very foundation is built on people who wanted to come here in search of a better life simply does not build walls around their country. If we have immigration problems, we solve them with reasoned debate and well thought out policies, building a wall sends the wrong message.

Now I know that conservatives don't usually go for nuanced views and subtle "messages", and I'm also aware that you COULD make arguments in favor oa wall, but like I said, I think the message we send is a VERY important part of this debate. Part of the issue is that anti-illegal immigration looks a lot like anti-immigration to a fair number of folks, so a lot of time and effort is wasted fighting among ourselves when almost all of us agree that ILLEGAL-immigration needs a solution. Perhaps you don't agree with touchy-feely messages, but enough people do that it's a real part of the issue, whether you believe in them or not.

Building a wall sends the wrong message? It sends the message that we mean business and we are going to do our best to enforce our laws, how is that the wrong message? Of course it's only part of the solution, but it's a start. We also need to enforce (and toughen where needed) the laws we have on the books. Surley you don't expect the illegals to just stop crossing unless we do something to deter them? Instead we give them amnesty? You want to talk about sending them the wrong message, well that's it.

This whole issue is about money. The people who employ them can keep wages/labor costs down and the Mexican's that come here can make much more money then they can at home. If I could sneak into Canada and make $100/hr instead of $10 hour the only thing that would stop me is a fence or some other type of punishment. You can also bet that I'd be willing to take a lot more crap from my employer for $100/hr and the employers just love that.

The illegals are stealing from the average American blue collar worker and when someone is stealing from you and your not smart enough to lock your doors... well, I guess you deserve what you get. Personally, I believe I'm smarter then that and judging by the number of people who support doing something about this issue, i think we're all smart enough to do something about it.

If we wait until we have "the perfect solution" we'll never get anything done about it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If we wait until we have "the perfect solution" we'll never get anything done about it.

QFT.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

So why was barbed wire such a hit again? Yeah, I know, you mean with regards to humans. Of course, just because there is strong precedence for something, doesn't mean something unprecedented can't occur.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Tango
4000 years of hystory teach walls and fences never worked.

Depends on what the purpose of the wall is. If you think a wall or fence will keep 100% of the people out, i agree it never works. However if you think it can slow and stop a % of the 2-3 million a year that flow across our border every year and possibly deter terrorist groups from smuggling weapons across the border. Then I think it servers a purpose.

it is clear the current situation of doing nothing at all isnt working.