Originally posted by: Corbett
IS anyone really surprised? This is what they did 4 years ago when they lost too. Of course, between then and now they tried to tell us that the majority of people in California had changed their minds on the issue and that is why it should be reversed. Well, we now know they were wrong about that.
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
These people aren't being terrorized, they are being told marriage is for male and female. They have been granted the same protections in the form of civil unions. This is not the same as people owning other people as property or not allowing women to vote.
Ahhh the good old 'separate but equal' argument. That one worked out really well the last time it was tried.
The people of CA want it kept traditional. They are not killing or hurting anyone, they are granting them the same rights as they have in marriage without the name. Point is, the people of CA have spoken twice. It's time the judiciary branch stop working out of class.
Did you even pay attention to how shamefully the Prop 8 campaign was conducted? It was disgusting. The Mormon Church shoveled the BS so high that I'm sure most voters had no idea what was going on. Plus, the Prop is illegal under both the California and US Constitution.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I don't understand. So immoral acts between same sex . and not allowing marraige is a civil liberty. THat is GAY.
How about all thieves shouldn't they get special treatement . As a group of people. Its likely in their geno to be thieves so they can't help themselves. Were exactly do ya draw the line? I know that you may think its alright to abort a baby . But its murder plain and simple. With out the abort the child lives. Thats taking a life . Once concieved thats it its a done deal . Ya see that little tiny heart beat. Wonderful site. But you believe as you will. But when you guys fall . Its a fall ya won't get up from .
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Plus, the Prop is illegal under both the California and US Constitution.
Originally posted by: Corbett
IS anyone really surprised? This is what they did 4 years ago when they lost too. Of course, between then and now they tried to tell us that the majority of people in California had changed their minds on the issue and that is why it should be reversed. Well, we now know they were wrong about that.
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Did you even pay attention to how shamefully the Prop 8 campaign was conducted? It was disgusting. The Mormon Church shoveled the BS so high that I'm sure most voters had no idea what was going on. Plus, the Prop is illegal under both the California and US Constitution.
Originally posted by: piasabird
Who gave these people in california the right of what they refer to as "Gay Marriage"?
The people have spoken.
They only way they can override the voice of the people is to get some judge in California to override it. Then it has to go to the Supreme Court. So bring it on???
Just take one up the pooper and get over it!
Originally posted by: yllus
Use the courts, I think. This is a case of tyranny of the majority and thus isn't one to be won easily via the popular vote.
Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Question in the summary:
If gays can't get married - well, what should they do now? Feel "lucky" that they got the civil union bone tossed to them and be happy with it?
move to Massachusetts.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Is being gay in your geno . All the time or is it in fact learned. If its learned gay marriage with adopted children could produce more gays because they are raised in that environment.
Can you please say or explain how sex between same sex is a natural act. If its not a natural act. Than its a sickness carried in the geno or learned.. Like many other geno related sickness.
Would you encourage the spread of other deficient geno sicknesses. Gay is a sickness . Its NOT NORMAL . THERE for its ABBY NORMAL- and is GAY. and a sickness that should be wiped out. Not the people just the ones that claim its in there genes. Let them live together but niether partner should be allowed to reproduce possiably another geno sick being. If man can't handle what in his pants I question his intelligance.
But since we know the majority of people alive today live on the darkside they make arguments based only on other like thinkers arguments The Acadimic community is a joke. . But to make their arguments work . They have to kill GOD First.
Why does God have to die first.?
So evil people can call there actions good. IF God exist. Aborting child is murder. If God exist unnatural gay is a sin against God. IF Christ was. Than a Christian by Christ words can't kill. AT NO time did Christ say War was an exception. YA see if you believe truely. Nothing can scare you or hurt you. Because you really can't wait to meet the creator. Can you Imagine a country of true Christians. A one man army in princphel could wipe them out. So ya see why Ceasar setup the HRCC the way he did. They managed to make killing in gods name OK LOL. Or ONE NATION Under GOD. Thats what PAUL contributed. He changed the meaning of what Christ said. THATS FOBIDDEN.
Originally posted by: OrByte
imho here is how it goes and I hope someone smarter than I will support or rebuke this:
Either the SC allows equal treatment in state law or it allows this amendment to be attached to the constitution...which would then remove equal treatment and equal protection under the law.
The state constitution can't go both ways.
Looking at this from a heirarchy of importance; equal protection will trump this amendment.
Otherwise every other subgroup of the state citizenry (im thinking elderly, vets, disabled, black, mexican, native indian etc etc etc) may lose equal protection...or at the very least you will see a TON of lawsuits filed to remove said protections.
just my thoughts.
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
These people aren't being terrorized, they are being told marriage is for male and female. They have been granted the same protections in the form of civil unions. This is not the same as people owning other people as property or not allowing women to vote.
Ahhh the good old 'separate but equal' argument. That one worked out really well the last time it was tried.
The people of CA want it kept traditional. They are not killing or hurting anyone, they are granting them the same rights as they have in marriage without the name. Point is, the people of CA have spoken twice. It's time the judiciary branch stop working out of class.
Did you even pay attention to how shamefully the Prop 8 campaign was conducted? It was disgusting. The Mormon Church shoveled the BS so high that I'm sure most voters had no idea what was going on. Plus, the Prop is illegal under both the California and US Constitution.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
How much you wanna bet this gets overturned by "activist" judges? :laugh:
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Rainsford
But regardless of what a small majority of Californians think, this kind of thing isn't supposed to be what America is about.
According to who? You?
That's right. This isn't a debate about gay marriage, it's a debate about whether or not the government is your personal tool for making society believe the same things you believe. The idea that we should be able to live by our own beliefs, regardless of how our fellow citizens feel, is implicit in our founding documents. Freedom of speech and religion were spelled out specifically because there were the most important personal choice issues at the time, but it seems pretty clear what the general idea was.
Originally posted by: zoiks
I voted for it.
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
These people aren't being terrorized, they are being told marriage is for male and female. They have been granted the same protections in the form of civil unions. This is not the same as people owning other people as property or not allowing women to vote.
Ahhh the good old 'separate but equal' argument. That one worked out really well the last time it was tried.
The people of CA want it kept traditional. They are not killing or hurting anyone, they are granting them the same rights as they have in marriage without the name. Point is, the people of CA have spoken twice. It's time the judiciary branch stop working out of class.
Whose traditions are you talking about? Not religious, because some religions do allow gay marriage. Not Californian, because California's tradition for the past few months has been to allow gay marriage. Not American, because some states do allow gay marriage.
California has amended its Constitution to deny equal rights to a group of people. That is a disgrace.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Is being gay in your geno . All the time or is it in fact learned. If its learned gay marriage with adopted children could produce more gays because they are raised in that environment.
Can you please say or explain how sex between same sex is a natural act. If its not a natural act. Than its a sickness carried in the geno or learned.. Like many other geno related sickness.
Would you encourage the spread of other deficient geno sicknesses. Gay is a sickness . Its NOT NORMAL . THERE for its ABBY NORMAL- and is GAY. and a sickness that should be wiped out. Not the people just the ones that claim its in there genes. Let them live together but niether partner should be allowed to reproduce possiably another geno sick being. If man can't handle what in his pants I question his intelligance.
But since we know the majority of people alive today live on the darkside they make arguments based only on other like thinkers arguments The Acadimic community is a joke. . But to make their arguments work . They have to kill GOD First.
Why does God have to die first.?
So evil people can call there actions good. IF God exist. Aborting child is murder. If God exist unnatural gay is a sin against God. IF Christ was. Than a Christian by Christ words can't kill. AT NO time did Christ say War was an exception. YA see if you believe truely. Nothing can scare you or hurt you. Because you really can't wait to meet the creator. Can you Imagine a country of true Christians. A one man army in princphel could wipe them out. So ya see why Ceasar setup the HRCC the way he did. They managed to make killing in gods name OK LOL. Or ONE NATION Under GOD. Thats what PAUL contributed. He changed the meaning of what Christ said. THATS FOBIDDEN.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
How much you wanna bet this gets overturned by "activist" judges? :laugh:
I'll take that bet. I'm in for $1,000 that activist judges don't overturn it.
That's a little rich for my blood. I'd go for $5 or maybe $10.
I forgot to mention one other point -- I heard that this proposition was supported financially from out-of-state orgs -- and I strongly believe we should ban this sort of thing in California.
Where do these out-of-state organizations get off putting props on our ballot and then spending huge amounts of cash to affect the outcome of our state election? That's just absurd and I would say so regardless of the specific issue or who was behind it.
And then, there's this.Originally posted by: Ocguy31
From what I hear, marriage isnt all the great anyway. Maybe they were done a favor.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Is being gay in your geno . All the time or is it in fact learned. If its learned gay marriage with adopted children could produce more gays because they are raised in that environment.
Can you please say or explain how sex between same sex is a natural act. If its not a natural act. Than its a sickness carried in the geno or learned.. Like many other geno related sickness.
Would you encourage the spread of other deficient geno sicknesses. Gay is a sickness . Its NOT NORMAL . THERE for its ABBY NORMAL- and is GAY. and a sickness that should be wiped out. Not the people just the ones that claim its in there genes. Let them live together but niether partner should be allowed to reproduce possiably another geno sick being. If man can't handle what in his pants I question his intelligance.
But since we know the majority of people alive today live on the darkside they make arguments based only on other like thinkers arguments The Acadimic community is a joke. . But to make their arguments work . They have to kill GOD First.
Why does God have to die first.?
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BLACKJACK2000
Holy Shit. Burn any crosses on your front lawn lately?
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Insult much . Its not I wereing sheets and BURNING CROSSES. Who burning crosses?
That Cross is a symbol of what exactly. Than ask who the cross burners are.