Protestant Church Endorses Gay Marriage

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
That's a acceptable cultural parade for everyone, not a deviant sin-promoting perversion for heretics and queers.

Acceptable for whom? I bet if it was done in some Hick Fundie Township in North Carolina there would be outrage by the local Bible Thumpers, many of whom don't believe that Catholicism (it's a Catholic Festival) is really Christianity

You're probably right. It's acceptable for the people in New Orleans, wouldn't work in other places.

I guess anyone who disagress with the Massachusetts ideology is an extremist. Not suprised.

Short of Howard Dean, I doubt there is a leftwinged extremist to someone like you.

That's my point, let them be. What works for you, doesn't work for them and vice versa. They won't make you hide that you're straight or a christian because you have the american right to be free and they in turn deserve the same right.

And I don't know why you degenerated into an attack on liberal ideology.

I agree. They have the right to be whatever they want to be.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread: Christians permitting gay marriage.. It's completely different from legalizing gay marriage or even accepting gays.

We have come a long ways from the topic. Anyway, I still don't see the problem. You're free to worship the lord however you like. Why can't they? You interpret it differently. Different interpretations are the reason we have about a million different christion denominations. If you have a problem with this, you should have a problem with the existance of all those other sects and their different beliefs.

I don't have a problem with them worshipping or attending Church. I do have a problem with them endorsing gay marriage. Different sects don't do things that are sinful, they just believe different things about the history of the Church, who can interpret the Bible, and how one is saved. Christian marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, in the Bible. I just don't understand how the members of the UCC can promote something which is against the Bible. Accept and love gays, but don't encourage them to live with one another and have sexual relationships.

And that's where you're wrong. I grew up Southern Baptist. It is a sin under the teachings of Southern Baptists to drink alcohol. The body is a temple. All of the other denominations were wrong in allowing and sometimes even encouraging drinking. Another example would be a lady that lived on my block belonged to a congragation that said it was a sin to gamble. Yet, I knew another person that had raffles at thier church. These are all inconsistincies in what is believed to be a sin as expressed by the bible. If you can live with these inconsistincies then you shouldn't have a problem with the UCC worshipping in its own way.

I don't live with these inconsistincies.. that's why I'm not Southern Baptist or Unitarian or Methodist or Catholic or any of the others.

So then, you speak only for your denomination. A huge part of Christians do belong to these denominations and are subject to my point. Just curoius, what denomination are you?

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
That's a acceptable cultural parade for everyone, not a deviant sin-promoting perversion for heretics and queers.

Acceptable for whom? I bet if it was done in some Hick Fundie Township in North Carolina there would be outrage by the local Bible Thumpers, many of whom don't believe that Catholicism (it's a Catholic Festival) is really Christianity

You're probably right. It's acceptable for the people in New Orleans, wouldn't work in other places.

I guess anyone who disagress with the Massachusetts ideology is an extremist. Not suprised.

Short of Howard Dean, I doubt there is a leftwinged extremist to someone like you.

That's my point, let them be. What works for you, doesn't work for them and vice versa. They won't make you hide that you're straight or a christian because you have the american right to be free and they in turn deserve the same right. I don't expect you to put a rainbow sticker in your car window and you're free to criticise their life style all you want, but you should not be able to legislate it out of existance just because it disagrees with a religion. We don't do that in America. That's part of what makes us great.

And I don't know why you degenerated into an attack on liberal ideology and Howard Dean.

Forcing children to attend gay workshops is hardly leaving us alone with our own beliefs.

You can choose to dismiss whatever you like. I've never heard of straight parades or workshops, teaching someone how to put a condom on isn't teaching people to be straight.

How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: tss4
Just curoius, what denomination are you?

Finally, I removed the pages of nested quotes.

I don't really belong to any. I'm more of a secular humanist with Christian ideals. My "denominational" beliefs come mostly from a mixture of UCC and non-Southern Baptist.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tss4
Just curoius, what denomination are you?

Finally, I removed the pages of nested quotes.

I don't really belong to any. I'm more of a secular humanist with Christian ideals. My "denominational" beliefs come mostly from a mixture of UCC and non-Southern Baptist.

Well, given that your beliefs come from the UCC, I can see your predicament. Thank you for removing the quotes. They were getting a bit excessive. What's a secular humanist by the way?

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tss4
Just curoius, what denomination are you?

Finally, I removed the pages of nested quotes.

I don't really belong to any. I'm more of a secular humanist with Christian ideals. My "denominational" beliefs come mostly from a mixture of UCC and non-Southern Baptist.

Well, given that your beliefs come from the UCC, I can see your predicament. Thank you for removing the quotes. They were getting a bit excessive. What's a secular humanist by the way?

I basically believe that people can do a whole lot to better themselves. We are responsible for our own actions and can make ourselves into better people for a variety of reasons. A lot of Christians think that only God can make you better and do good in the world. That doesn't sit well with me, because it makes human life insignificant.. like God's play or something.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

 

[Red and black]

Originally posted by: zendari

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Why do you hate so much? Have you had bad experiences with gay people? Why do you find them so threatening?

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

i was never forced into any "tolerance" workshops - where is this common practice?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Bigots hate tolerance and you shove your kids in the brainwashing machines called fundi churches before the age of reason so they grow up infected with a disease. Why the shock when society turns about and tries to cure them of their disease. Every sin you so called Christians see are the ones you commit. You shove your skunk disease down your own kids throats and do afterward everything in your power to keep them sick.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Bigots hate tolerance and you shove your kids in the brainwashing machines called fundi churches before the age of reason so they grow up infected with a disease. Why the shock when society turns about and tries to cure them of their disease. Every sin you so called Christians see are the ones you commit. You shove your skunk disease down your own kids throats and do afterward everything in your power to keep them sick.

Why such intolerance for Christians? There are good ones, you know. Just as there are good gay people.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Bigots hate tolerance and you shove your kids in the brainwashing machines called fundi churches before the age of reason so they grow up infected with a disease. Why the shock when society turns about and tries to cure them of their disease. Every sin you so called Christians see are the ones you commit. You shove your skunk disease down your own kids throats and do afterward everything in your power to keep them sick.

Why such intolerance for Christians? There are good ones, you know. Just as there are good gay people.

I think I said fundi Christians, didn't I? Fundi is code for phony. I am in awe of real Christians although I don't know very many.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

i was never forced into any "tolerance" workshops - where is this common practice?

Read the links above. Its happening in Kentucky already.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't teach our kids that its a virtue to be gay in public schools and half the problems go away.You can start up gay schools if you wish like we have catholic schools.

Public schools aren't pro-gay and more than they are pro-Catholic, they teach acceptance and tolerance. Being gay is just like being Catholic, it's great if that's what works for you.

Hardly. If we had Christian "tolerance" workshops the way the ACLU is pushing gay workshops the libbies would be in an uproar.

You mean "Fundie" tolerence work shops. Well if the Fundies would stop trying to tell everybody else how they should live and behave there would be no need for it.

Same would be true if the gays wouldn't run rampant with their sexuality the way normal people do.

Exactly, you want the law to keep them in the "closet". You know, in another thread, you said that divorce was a sin but accepted by god becuase we are not perfect. That's convenient that you give yourself that out but dont give gays the same leniency. I just think that you should be fair.

Divorce is acceptable because an adulterous, unhappy marraige no longer holds the true spirit of God. There are grounds in the Bible for divorce.

Homosexuality is activity befitting the devil and is never acceptable.

Homosexuality the devil and what is acceptable have all been planted in your mind. They exist now only there. That is why you have a disease. You see the world through a disease and think it is diseased. You live in an hallucination. And you are in love with your stink like Peppy Le Peu.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: tss4



How is teaching someone to tolerate, teaching them to be gay? How is teaching tolerance of gays so objectionable? In a world full of hate crimes, a little tolerance goes a long way.

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

No one is forced to go to a tolerance workshop. There are no required sex ed classes in America that teach tolerance. You are misinformed.

edit: I went back and looked closer at your links. I have my doubts about their credibility given their obvious bias, but assuming for a minute that they aren't blatenly lying, then I'll concede that maybe we can just leave this topic out of schools as to whether homosexulaity is normal or not. I dont see how you could have a problem with the curriculum mentioning that homosexulaity exists and what it means, but the morality of it could be left to parents to discuss with their parents. I suspect that in time this will be a non issue.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Red and black

Originally posted by: zendari

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Why do you hate so much? Have you had bad experiences with gay people? Why do you find them so threatening?

Probably in his case it's self denial and self loathing.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: tss4
That's my point, let them be. What works for you, doesn't work for them and vice versa. They won't make you hide that you're straight or a christian because you have the american right to be free and they in turn deserve the same right. I don't expect you to put a rainbow sticker in your car window and you're free to criticise their life style all you want, but you should not be able to legislate it out of existance just because it disagrees with a religion. We don't do that in America. That's part of what makes us great.

Absolutely. Nicely said.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: tss4
And I don't know why you degenerated into an attack on liberal ideology and Howard Dean.

Dude, every "point" zendari makes eventually devolves into some childish name-calling slam against the "evil libbies." It's getting about as predictable as Rip's next "ID = Science" thread.

:thumbsdown:

 

[johnnobts]

secular humanism could basically be summed up in the catch phrase, "man is the measure of all things." secular humanism, not to be confused with humanist movement of the 14-1500s, is a worldview that is anthropocentric. if you'd like an example of a secular humanist church, look at the ucc. as one person noted at the beginning of this thread, they've always been very "down to earth." which is, i think, the problem, as the saints in Christ have been called out of this world, this realm, and into the heavenly realm to reign with Christ.

As Paul notes in Romans 12, "Do not be conformed any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds" (through study and meditation on the Word of God). Its an easy thing to adopt the cultural trends of a society and be patted on the back for doing so, its another thing to pursue holiness...

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red and black

Originally posted by: zendari

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Why do you hate so much? Have you had bad experiences with gay people? Why do you find them so threatening?

Probably in his case it's self denial and self loathing.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

 

[Red and black]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red and black

Originally posted by: zendari

"Hate crime" is a bunch of BS IMO. But I suppose thats off the topic.

It's far more than tolerance, its teaching our kids that being gay is acceptable and proper, which its not.

Have to love the irony of coercing people into "tolerance" workshops. Tolerance, yes, only of your gay agenda viewpoint. :disgust:

Why do you hate so much? Have you had bad experiences with gay people? Why do you find them so threatening?

Probably in his case it's self denial and self loathing.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Please ignore that speculation and just answer my questions, so that people won't be tempted to speculate further. Thanks.

 

[zendari]

I don't hate homosexuals.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: zendari
I don't hate homosexuals.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: zendari
I don't hate homosexuals.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Like me, I don't hate Christians, I hate the perversion they've made of religion.

 

[azazyel]

Wow, just read this whole thing and I have a few things to bring up.

Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists. Now they were considered Christians back then but they wouldn't be now. I know most people on Fundi sites would argue this but please just take a look at the Jefferson Bible.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/deism.htm

I really hate when Christians speak of the Devil. That to me is an outdated belief and not one that is readily supported by the bible. Of the top of your head what chapter is the first to introduce the Devil?

Is. 45:5-7,22


I personally have no problem with gays getting married. I feel that god is love and there is a huge shortage of it in this world. Any two people who are in love and want to pledge their lives to each other has my blessing.

Half the reason I think that people have such a problem with gay marriage is because of the state of strait marriage. I just think people are scared that the gays will actually make it work where the strait people failed.

Also, my g/f and I probably wont be able to have children if we get married. Mostly because she is a carrier of CF and if I am as well our child will have a very high chance of getting it. And if I do bring a child into this world I want to make sure they have a long happy life, not one of pain. So, by some of your standards I should be denied the right to get married to her.


And now like always this thread will die 5 min after this post.

 

[imported_tss4]

Yeah, I think this thread has pretty much petered out. But, I could be wrong.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Well the only thing I have to say about this church endorsing gay marriage is DISGUSTING considering that the Bible clearly teaches that homosexuality is one of the things listed as a perversion. Sad sad sad........

BTW, I like the term for non-gay men - "straight." That is very fitting, because they are being straight, not crooked and twisted out of whack in such an unnatural and unhealthy lifestyle.

And if you so desire to flame me because I happen to care about what is right and wrong in an absolute and not relative sense, big deal. Not the first time (nor the last) that it will happen to me. But I don't care, what's wrong is wrong, and what's right is right.