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n yusef

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The PSP is on my birthday (April 27th) list with a new A64 Venice. I tried it out at EB Games, and the screen is awsome. I wish I didn't just buy a new iPod a few weeks ago. I guess someone will get a 30GB iPod Photo off of eBay soon.
 

dreshyne2g

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The PSP is awesome. I do have a problem with the dead pixels on the screen. The first one brought had 4 dead pixels. I had to go through 3 before I got one without any. Compusa has the best return policy. Great mp3 player also.
 

agentsmith101

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Ok, so i figured this out...$250 for psp and 54.99 for the 1gig memory card...which is $330 after tax...too expensive for me right now so I am going with $200 for ds with two games after tax and a 512mb mp3 player for (hopefully) 60 shipped. Definitely would have gotten PSP though if it was $50 less.
 

Oyeve

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Originally posted by: agentsmith101
Ok, so i figured this out...$250 for psp and 54.99 for the 1gig memory card...which is $330 after tax...too expensive for me right now so I am going with $200 for ds with two games after tax and a 512mb mp3 player for (hopefully) 60 shipped. Definitely would have gotten PSP though if it was $50 less.

NO! The DS BLOWS! I hate mine! Wanna buy it?
 

akugami

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I like my DS. I just wish there was more games for it. I do have a decent collection of games for it. One thing that is looking nice is that the control system using the touchscreen for FPS games similar to Metroid Prime seems to rock once you get used to it. Another genre that has never worked well on consoles are RTS games where you need to zip all over a map seems well suited to the DS's touchscreen. Age of Empires 2 is coming out for the DS and it's interesting to say the least. I definitely can't imagine a PSP version of a FPS or RTS performing better control wise than on a DS.

I like some of the features of the PSP but at this time, there doesn't seem to be anything compelling enough for me to get one. You can only watch so many movies so while it's a nice feature it's not a deal maker. The games on it all seem to be near carbon ports of the PS1+2 games which is good but also bad. Some of those games were pretty good although a lot were mediocre which is the good part. The bad part is lack of orginality and that little extra oomph in new games that get you excited about a platform. I hate supporting more of Sony's crappy proprietary formats. Stupid Memory Sticks.

I've read some of the web reviews and some of them are pretty funny. Now, the PSP is obviously an evolutionary system and is not a bad system. It's a step up the ladder in terms of anything that has come before it. I think it could use a little longer battery life and a little originality in terms of games produced for it but that's roughly it. However, there are people writing about it like it's a revolutionary product. There was one reviewer from the Trusted Review web site that said the PSP was "the PSP is the most important thing to happen in the video game industry since the launch of the original PlayStation." I had to re-read that statement. Seems like some people are believing Sony's hype rather than putting out a non-partial review.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20050324025526.html
Not PSP related but you gotta love this article about Sony. This is the same company that puts out Memory Sticks instead of the more popular CF and SD formats. Uses Atrac instead of MP3's on their supposed MP3 players until users bitched and whined about it's lack of MP3 support. Not to mention weaker sales due to said lack of MP3 support. The whole DVD+ vs DVD- fiasco. Then the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD thing. Now we're supposed to believe Sony doesn't like format wars because it is bad for the market and bad for consumers? Please.
 

webekyle

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im thinkin that if i dont have time for gaming on it ill just be using it as a mp3 player... you always have time for music...
 

webekyle

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Originally posted by: Waylay00
I would wait, as I've heard that a newer revision of the PSP will have an included hard drive. Can't seem to find the link though.


ooh i'd like to see it please
 

webekyle

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Originally posted by: Johnbear007
I got mine tonight, I have no idea what donjohnson is talking about as far as graphics go. checkout wipeout pure, looks spectacular.

imho its worth every penny, one of the few times in my life I have had absolutley 0% buyers remorse. This thing is pure sweetness, the versatility really didnt hit home to me until I actually had it in my hands and realized that for 250 I had the gaming power of a ps2, a portable dvd player, an mp3 player, and picutre viewer all with 802.11b wifi built in.. this thing is truly impressive. Wife loved it so much im going to buy one for her too


you're telling me i can walk into my local coffee shop that has wifi... and play online games and have ?internet? for free?
 

webekyle

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Originally posted by: Oyeve
Originally posted by: MrControversial
Anyone who blows $250 on a handheld just because it has "Sony" on it, they are a new kind of idiot. There were handhelds far superior to the GameBoy hardwarewise, but Nintendo still kicked their ass because they were too damn expensive. If you want to pay $250 to play ugly PS2 rehashes and movies on UMD. What's up with Sony and proprietary media? But I digress; to sum it all up, the PSP = FLOPPAGE!

I disagree. While I generally hate sony products the PS2 kicked ass whether you like it or not. The Nintendo DS is NOT the next Gameboy, the next Gameboy is already in the works. The DS was some stupid idea like the Virtual Boy, remember that? Ugh! The PSP so far seems to be the best portable game player out no buts about it. I have seen NFS for both systems and the PSP, while a different game, blows away the DS. So what if its proprietary? What handheld isnt? Were are the DS games? I got tired of playing Madden 2005. PSP had 20 games on the shelves 2 weeks before release in the US!


yeah, thats what i thought about the DS too (not a gameboy)... i forgot about that virtual boy!
 

EternusNox

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"DEAD PIXEL WARRANTY AND TESTING...

We have just been infomned by Sony that they will not be warranting any dead
pixel units. They are only warranting hardware defects ie broken buttons,
malfuction with drive and so on. Dead Pixels are not considered a defect by Sony
of America and will not be warrantied."
 

EightySix Four

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As I was purchasing my PSP the guy at CompUSA had no idea about all the pixel problems, so I informed him and asked if I could load it up on the spot and see if it had any

He was fine with it, so I pulled out my memory stick and went through a few colors (my camcorder uses a memory stick for still shots) and my screen was perfect in the first one opened, I'm pretty pleased with it, NFL Street 2 is awesome, and wipeout is alright. I'm waiting from some non sports or racing games to come out before I really purchase anymore, I do wanna trade wipeout for Ridge Racer, but no one would prolly do that .
 

akugami

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Sony may not officially cover dead pixels in it's warranty but if you open it up and see a dead pixel, take it back along with your receipt and exchange it saying the hardware is defective. Unless the store has a-holes for employees they will exchange it for you.
 

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SCEA downplays widespread reports of LCD screen problems, says warranty is still in effect and defective units can be exchanged.

Soon after the PSP launched in Japan last December, reports began to surface that some units' LCD screens suffered from pixels that were either permanently light or dark. Within 24 hours of the portable's North American launch, similar complaints began to reverberate around the Internet. The locus of the complaints was, ironically, the official PlayStation forums, which was temporarily down yesterday following heavy traffic.

Some gamers' outrage over the perceived issue was fueled by an e-mail allegedly sent out by Canadian game retailer Video Games Plus. The e-mail said the company was "informed by Sony that they will not be warranting any dead pixel units. They are only warranting hardware defects ie [sic] broken buttons, malfunction with drive, and so on."

An informal survey of the dozen-odd PSPs in the GameSpot offices found half had at least one pixel that stayed white or dark constantly. While these dots were almost all invisible while playing games, they did stand out when displayed against a black or white screen.

While commonly referred to as a "defect," Sony says the off-colored pixel problem is common in all LCD screens. "A very small number of dark pixels or continuously lit pixels is normal for LCD screens, and is not a sign of a malfunction," a representative for Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) told GameSpot.

Page 13 of the PSP manual puts it this way: "Red, blue, or green spots (bright spots) or black spots (dark spots) may appear in certain locations on the LCD screen. The appearance of such spots is a normal occurrence associated with LCD screens and not a sign of malfunction. LCD screens are made using highly precise technology. However, a very small number of dark pixels or continuously lit pixels exist on each screen." The manual also warns against exposing the LCD screen to direct sunlight and leaving still images on the screen for an extended period of time, as both could damage the display.

The Sony rep suggested that PSP owners who encounter the pixel issue should try the device "for a week or two" to see if it continues to bother them. "If you find the spots are interfering with gameplay/video viewing during this period, we will support the various elements of [the PSP] warranty," the rep said. Each PSP comes with a one-year limited warranty, which is on page 125 of the PSP manual. If a PSP is "determined to be defective" by SCEA, the company will see to the "repair or replacement of this product [the PSP] with a new or refurbished product at SCEA's option."

According to a technical support associate contacted by GameSpot, PSP owners who encounter a persistent and aggravating dead-pixel issue should contact SCEA's customer service line (1-800-345-7669) for instructions on how to exchange their unit after a week or two of using the unit. "We will work with you," he assured. The associate said the process would work much like exchanging PlayStation 2s that suffer from the dreaded "Disc Read Error" problem: Gamers will mail their PSPs in to SCEA and receive units with new screens. The associate was unsure if customers would receive an all-new unit or their old unit with a new LCD screen.
 

webekyle

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Originally posted by: crazySOB297
As I was purchasing my PSP the guy at CompUSA had no idea about all the pixel problems, so I informed him and asked if I could load it up on the spot and see if it had any

He was fine with it, so I pulled out my memory stick and went through a few colors (my camcorder uses a memory stick for still shots) and my screen was perfect in the first one opened, I'm pretty pleased with it, NFL Street 2 is awesome, and wipeout is alright. I'm waiting from some non sports or racing games to come out before I really purchase anymore, I do wanna trade wipeout for Ridge Racer, but no one would prolly do that .

you had a memory stick in your pocket?
 

Zelos689

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Man, so much hate for the DS on these forums. For everyone that says it's "so lame" and "like the Virtual Boy" and anyone else who thinks it's terrible, mind explaining why? I have one, and the only thing I hate about it is lack of current games, however time will fix that. Right now I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime Hunters, Animal Crossing DS, Mario Kart DS, Another Code, Lost in Blue, Need For Speed Underground 2, Jam with the Band, Polarium, and yes, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (don't even start on it, show sucks, movies suck, spin-offs suck, however main RPGs are awesome) If you think a system is bad for not having enough games at a certain time, you, sir, are quite the impatient one.

I also think the PSP is great to, and want one if only I could afford it (alas I don't even have a job, and already know where my first year's or so pay checks are going to, my own computer at last). The screen is awesome, and the graphics, and the design, and the features. The only bad thing is I can't see enough games I want for it, that might change, however.

And the PSP's wifi isn?t anything special, the DS has it to but just hasn't utilized it yet (this will change with Animal Crossing, however)

I think both the DS and the PSP will succeed, and even if one doesn't both companies have enough money to keep them going as if nothing happened. I don't understand why some people just can't let the two succeed together.
 

Oyeve

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Originally posted by: Zelos689
Man, so much hate for the DS on these forums. For everyone that says it's "so lame" and "like the Virtual Boy" and anyone else who thinks it's terrible, mind explaining why? I have one, and the only thing I hate about it is lack of current games, however time will fix that. Right now I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime Hunters, Animal Crossing DS, Mario Kart DS, Another Code, Lost in Blue, Need For Speed Underground 2, Jam with the Band, Polarium, and yes, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (don't even start on it, show sucks, movies suck, spin-offs suck, however main RPGs are awesome) If you think a system is bad for not having enough games at a certain time, you, sir, are quite the impatient one.

I also think the PSP is great to, and want one if only I could afford it (alas I don't even have a job, and already know where my first year's or so pay checks are going to, my own computer at last). The screen is awesome, and the graphics, and the design, and the features. The only bad thing is I can't see enough games I want for it, that might change, however.

And the PSP's wifi isn?t anything special, the DS has it to but just hasn't utilized it yet (this will change with Animal Crossing, however)

I think both the DS and the PSP will succeed, and even if one doesn't both companies have enough money to keep them going as if nothing happened. I don't understand why some people just can't let the two succeed together.



Impatient? I've had my DS since early October, 5 months now and not one single decent game for it. I'm sorry, I had high hopes for the DS, especially after I saw trailers for NFS and others. I am not saying its a bad system but when there is no software what good is it? If it wasnt for Madden and Mario DS (and my patient attitude, as I still may keep it if SOMETHING good comes out for it) I would have tossed it already. I want games for it dammit! I got my PSP last Thursday and already have 4 very good games for it! The next Pokemon game will be for the GBA before the DS pokemon games. Whats up with that? Zelda Minish cap should have been made for the DS with 3d. I love the PSP off the bat, I am still waiting to love my DS. The touch screen is very inovative but useless right now as all the games for DS, while they use the touch screen to some extent, can be operated to just use the buttons. Nintendo needs to get on the ball and make some games themselves instead of relying on other developers. I am anxiously waiting for GTA for the PSP!
 

jm0ris0n

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You all amuse me. If you want 'the best graphics' on a portable machine, shell out 1500 bucks for a decent laptop with wifi, and then you'll have a system much better than either the ds or psp
 

EightySix Four

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Originally posted by: webekyle
Originally posted by: crazySOB297
As I was purchasing my PSP the guy at CompUSA had no idea about all the pixel problems, so I informed him and asked if I could load it up on the spot and see if it had any

He was fine with it, so I pulled out my memory stick and went through a few colors (my camcorder uses a memory stick for still shots) and my screen was perfect in the first one opened, I'm pretty pleased with it, NFL Street 2 is awesome, and wipeout is alright. I'm waiting from some non sports or racing games to come out before I really purchase anymore, I do wanna trade wipeout for Ridge Racer, but no one would prolly do that .

you had a memory stick in your pocket?


Was there to buy a PSP so I brought it to check for dead pixels.
 

Oyeve

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Originally posted by: jm0ris0n
You all amuse me. If you want 'the best graphics' on a portable machine, shell out 1500 bucks for a decent laptop with wifi, and then you'll have a system much better than either the ds or psp

But can you stuff it in your pocket or jacket? New Pocket PCs will coming out with 3D graphics soon. I believe there is a model out now. But if 3D PPCs become popular they won't be cheap. I can't wait til we can just plug a jack in our heads and really be "in the game", I hope I live long enough for that.
 

Zelos689

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Originally posted by: Oyeve
Originally posted by: Zelos689
Man, so much hate for the DS on these forums. For everyone that says it's "so lame" and "like the Virtual Boy" and anyone else who thinks it's terrible, mind explaining why? I have one, and the only thing I hate about it is lack of current games, however time will fix that. Right now I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime Hunters, Animal Crossing DS, Mario Kart DS, Another Code, Lost in Blue, Need For Speed Underground 2, Jam with the Band, Polarium, and yes, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (don't even start on it, show sucks, movies suck, spin-offs suck, however main RPGs are awesome) If you think a system is bad for not having enough games at a certain time, you, sir, are quite the impatient one.

I also think the PSP is great to, and want one if only I could afford it (alas I don't even have a job, and already know where my first year's or so pay checks are going to, my own computer at last). The screen is awesome, and the graphics, and the design, and the features. The only bad thing is I can't see enough games I want for it, that might change, however.

And the PSP's wifi isn?t anything special, the DS has it to but just hasn't utilized it yet (this will change with Animal Crossing, however)

I think both the DS and the PSP will succeed, and even if one doesn't both companies have enough money to keep them going as if nothing happened. I don't understand why some people just can't let the two succeed together.



Impatient? I've had my DS since early October, 5 months now and not one single decent game for it. I'm sorry, I had high hopes for the DS, especially after I saw trailers for NFS and others. I am not saying its a bad system but when there is no software what good is it? If it wasnt for Madden and Mario DS (and my patient attitude, as I still may keep it if SOMETHING good comes out for it) I would have tossed it already. I want games for it dammit! I got my PSP last Thursday and already have 4 very good games for it! The next Pokemon game will be for the GBA before the DS pokemon games. Whats up with that? Zelda Minish cap should have been made for the DS with 3d. I love the PSP off the bat, I am still waiting to love my DS. The touch screen is very inovative but useless right now as all the games for DS, while they use the touch screen to some extent, can be operated to just use the buttons. Nintendo needs to get on the ball and make some games themselves instead of relying on other developers. I am anxiously waiting for GTA for the PSP!

Whoever said the next Pokemon games are for GBA? Diamond and Pearl are confirmed DS releases. And if you think Madden and Mario are the only good DS games right now, you're awfully narrow minded. Try out Feel the Magic, Warioware Touched, and Yoshi Touch and Go. Sure the first two are minigame collections and the last is a score based arcade style game, but they're still incredibly fun if you give them a chance, and they all rely on the touchscreen only (well, along with the microphone to). And have you even checked out the list of future games for the DS? I, for one, can't wait for the DS' future releases.

What you're saying is that because if doesn't have what you qualify as "good software" at the moment, it's bad. Just lighten up and enjoy what you DO have for your PSP, DS, and whatever else you game on. Good games will come eventually, and when they do the DS will then be great.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: akugami
I like my DS. I just wish there was more games for it. I do have a decent collection of games for it. One thing that is looking nice is that the control system using the touchscreen for FPS games similar to Metroid Prime seems to rock once you get used to it. Another genre that has never worked well on consoles are RTS games where you need to zip all over a map seems well suited to the DS's touchscreen. Age of Empires 2 is coming out for the DS and it's interesting to say the least. I definitely can't imagine a PSP version of a FPS or RTS performing better control wise than on a DS.

Okay...I'll bite. I have no intention of buying the PSP now or pretty much ever atleast till it drops to the 100 dollar mark which won't happen for a few years.

But duuude....A RTS on a hand held? Please!!!!! Think about that! I LOVE AOE2 and its my favorite game of all time...but AOE2 on a hand held? A RTS needs a moujes and keyboard, not a dpad and 5 buttons. It will be intersting to see how tht touchpad will be used, but I don't expect anything great out of it.

I like some of the features of the PSP but at this time, there doesn't seem to be anything compelling enough for me to get one. You can only watch so many movies so while it's a nice feature it's not a deal maker. The games on it all seem to be near carbon ports of the PS1+2 games which is good but also bad. Some of those games were pretty good although a lot were mediocre which is the good part. The bad part is lack of orginality and that little extra oomph in new games that get you excited about a platform. I hate supporting more of Sony's crappy proprietary formats. Stupid Memory Sticks.
And Nintendo is doing any better? Look at the DS lineup...virtually a copy of their N64 games...and a lack of ability to choose on what to play to top of off! Atleast Sony has 20 pretty decent games out the door for launch. Nintendo DS has been out for god knows how long and it still has a problem with game avalibility! Just like Virtua Fighter couldn't carry the Saturn for the 6+ months launch Sega had on the PSX, DS can't be carried by MArio64 the entire time! It needs more software!
I've read some of the web reviews and some of them are pretty funny. Now, the PSP is obviously an evolutionary system and is not a bad system. It's a step up the ladder in terms of anything that has come before it. I think it could use a little longer battery life and a little originality in terms of games produced for it but that's roughly it. However, there are people writing about it like it's a revolutionary product. There was one reviewer from the Trusted Review web site that said the PSP was "the PSP is the most important thing to happen in the video game industry since the launch of the original PlayStation." I had to re-read that statement. Seems like some people are believing Sony's hype rather than putting out a non-partial review.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20050324025526.html
Not PSP related but you gotta love this article about Sony. This is the same company that puts out Memory Sticks instead of the more popular CF and SD formats. Uses Atrac instead of MP3's on their supposed MP3 players until users bitched and whined about it's lack of MP3 support. Not to mention weaker sales due to said lack of MP3 support. The whole DVD+ vs DVD- fiasco. Then the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD thing. Now we're supposed to believe Sony doesn't like format wars because it is bad for the market and bad for consumers? Please.

Not to knock again, but the PSP will defintely have some effects, but what they will be anyone can speculate. It can make a huge impact on the way portable gaming is, or it could be only jnust one spalsh. No one thought the PSX was going to be what it turned to be, so i would think it wise to also not underestimate what the PSP can do in a FEW YEARS from now.

The PSP is not directly made to compete with Gameboy in that it provides just simple gaming on a sub 100 console, but nevertheless it will siphon off of Nintendo's profit by capturing more affluent customers who want a different level of sophistacation. handheld gaming has always been nintendo's domain, and with the release of the PSP although it doesn't attack their core audience (Children whom parents buy games for them) directly since the price is very high, it will filter through slowly and I wouldn't hesitate to say that three years from now, we may be seeing a VERY different gaming market (And possibly announcements of Microsoft ready to enter the field).

One thing is certain though: DS is a dead fish. It's dearth of games, as well as the release of a New Nintendo portable console ensures the system WILL become a virtual boy. Sorry DS owners, but unless you want to own a peice of Nintendo history the DS will rapidly become useless mainly due to Nintendo's own fault. Despite the fact the PSP is literally leaps above the DS hardware wise(but this personally doesn't make much of a difference to me. I find more enjoyment playing Chrono Trigger with emulation on my PC than my friend's copy of KOTOR2), HAD nintendo gone through with STRONG software support and relased many more games, and HAD they not wet their pants at the PSP and announced another "Gameboy" in the works...then the DS could very well easily holds its ground, much like the PS2 currently is doing (though the difference graphically between the PS2/XBOX is less pronoucned than DS/PSP) despite the fact that the XBOX was released later, and graphics are better.
But due to their repeated blunders, I only see the DS wallowing in its own shallow pool of mediocrity
 

Zelos689

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You do realize Emerald is the third version of Ruby/Sapphire, right? I mean a completely new game, as D/P will be.

A RTS needs a moujes and keyboard, not a dpad and 5 buttons. It will be intersting to see how tht touchpad will be used, but I don't expect anything great out of it.
Never really played an RTS, but can't you just have a main overall view of the field on the top screen with a zoomed in view on the bottom and buttons along the edges that you can touch to carry out actions, along with touching a unit and then where you want to go to move them. That seems like it would work to me.

And Nintendo is doing any better? Look at the DS lineup...virtually a copy of their N64 games
Let's see, there's SM64DS which has 30 more stars plus 3 new characters and some more bosses and levels. Animal Crossing DS (Animal Forest was never released in the US, but it was still a N64 game) appears to be a completely new AC with better player customization and online, Mario Kart has been on virtually every Nintendo system ever, and that's pretty much it for the big name titles that had N64 versions. How people see those few games out of who knows how many others and claim it's a portable N64 I have no idea.

It's dearth of games, as well as the release of a New Nintendo portable console ensures the system WILL become a virtual boy
Check out the list of announced DS titles at IGN, Gamespot, or some other site. Then tell me that although the DS already has more then 15 high profile titles, along with many other smaller games, that its "death of games" will kill it. Also, Nintendo has NOT commented on when the GBE is going to be released. IT'S ONLY A RUMOR THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED THIS YEAR. And the DS will NEVER become a Virtual Boy, even if it DOES fail it has already sold more then the Virtual Boy could ever hope to. The problem with the Virtual Boy was its poorly designed hardware that gave you neck and eye strain. The only way the DS should give you physical injuries is if you play GBA games to long in which case you can get strained fingers from the A and B buttons being so close to the edge.

HAD nintendo gone through with STRONG software support and relased many more games
You talk almost as if no more DS games will ever be released As I said before, the great games still have yet to come out, just give it time.

and HAD they not wet their pants at the PSP and announced another "Gameboy" in the works
The GBE has been known about for a while now, and as I said ALL RELEASE DATES ARE PURE RUMOR.

Just trying to give the DS its fair share as well
 

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I think the PSP is a great invention with amazing features for a handheld. However, I refuse to buy one until SONY works their dead pixels out....
 
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