Q6600 OC and Motherboard Choice

cheinonen

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I'm building a new system and plan to get a Q6600 and OC it (my fiancee actually does things that uses multiple cores, which is why the Q6600 over the E8400). The motherboards I was looking at were the Abit IP35-E and the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L. Since I don't see a need for more SATA connectors, Firewire, RAID, or the other things these boards don't have, will one typically provide a better overclock than the other, or are they both about equal choices?
 

Idontcare

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I have no experience with the Abit so I can't vouch for it being similar, worse, or better than a DS3L, but I do have a handful of DS3L's here with Q6600's plugged into them. They are all chugging along nicely at 3.3Ghz (9x367) without issue and were really easy to setup.
 

graysky

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No interest in an Asus board? I'm planning to get a q9450 or 9550 in the near future and have selected the maximum formula. Both the boards you mentioned are P35 based as I'm sure you're aware. Do you not have an interest in an X38-based system?
 

cheinonen

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Originally posted by: graysky
No interest in an Asus board? I'm planning to get a q9450 or 9550 in the near future and have selected the maximum formula. Both the boards you mentioned are P35 based as I'm sure you're aware. Do you not have an interest in an X38-based system?

I'm not gaming on this, so I don't need SLI at all, and I'm not using it for home theater or anything like that at all. It'll be used for Stata/SAS, Excel, and photo editing mostly, so a higher clock speed with multiple cores will be beneficial, but spending almost $200 more for a motherboard with a lot of features I don't need could be better spent in other areas I think.
 

TheJian

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Without question the Gigabyte. All solid caps will always be better. It is a board built purely for abuse. Also note, Abit almost went out of business and could do so again. This was NOT that long ago, it's still very fresh in my memory. Will they be around when you need help? I'm still not sure why ALL boards don't go ALL SOLID. If Gigabyte can do it on all their boards over $85 and even that Abit has 1/2 solid (only around CPU) so what's the problem? I mean if we're talking charging an extra buck or two for a far better board give it to us all!

Also note Gigabyte boards have been seen hitting 2200 FSB! Your chip will crap out before this board's FSB most likely. They also advertise LOW RDS (on) Mosfets and Ferrite Core chokes. Abit doesn't advertise either, nor can I see them on their board. Google them both for details on what they are and why you want them. Again for board makers I think this amounts to another $2. So for about $3-4 per board we'd all be a LOT better off and have more reliable voltages to boot. I guess that's why I keep buying gigabyte boards, and selling them instead of other options whenever possible.

Don't get me wrong all board makers have had their issues. I had the gigabyte batch that wouldn't shutdown and stay off...LOL. That was a joy. I never had the ones that reboot endlessly but they're out there. I had the Abit BH6's from ages ago that sucked too. I had MSI boards that fried constantly after 1 boot because of a sparkle 350w PSU that came in Enlight cases (I fried 3 boards in a day!...Another guy I was in line RMA'ing them with fried 6 that day...ROFL our vendor was freaking out). That was the PSU makers fault but it only bit MSI boards at the time. You got 3 boots tops and it wouldn't come back on ever again. Strange stuff indeed. But I like my odds when the components used are "supposedly" the best out there and the boards themselves are the choice of people hitting records in 3dmark etc. Overclockers push all their parts. When in doubt follow them to the best hardware. No different than say, taking steriods. I'd follow the biggest 5 people in the gym to see what they're taking

Then again, the Abit is $30 rebate at newegg...Maybe money talks more than a board switch later for you? If I had a budget where $30 was making or breaking it, I and was say, looking at a 9600GT or a 8800GT, I'd maybe go Abit and spend the $30 on an 8800GT. Or maybe put another $10 with that 30 rebate and get 4GB memory instead of 2GB. Thats the problem with hardware these days. There are 30 ways to look at a given situation...

Good luck with that one...LOL.

As a PC business owner I was always worried about what would come back (I didn't have an army of techs to fix stuff). PERIOD. And then chose to never sell something if there was another choice that had better odds of NOT coming back in an RMA. I told customers buy X because I don't want to see you in 6 months with an RMA. If you want Y I can't help you. I was also fairly lucky in that I was close to my vendor rep. He was free with info on what came back and why. Most vendors won't tell that to the PC shops (they push whatever brand makes them the most $$). That info was extremely helpful sometimes. The point is your odds are better with the components on the Gigabyte (they make crap models too, but you're talking about an all solid board not their leaky crap caps models).
 

TheJian

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Excellent board, but excellently overpriced.

X38's are overpriced for the gain in performance. You don't get much. PCIE 2.0 (more watts for 8pin(150w), but you can get that anyway with 2x6pin(75w)) and more bandwidth. Which so far hasn't proven anything. Official support for DDR3 1333 (X48 chipset really only get DDR31600 and 4 X16 lanes), but it's a ddr2 world for most of us thanks to the outrageous pricing of DDR3 at any decent timings. So as far as benches go you get nothing but a single fps. Whats that worth?

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3149&p=6

Many more out there like this. Look at the lowly IP35-PRO for $59 coming in a whole 1fps behind that $260 formula board. From the article you get this:
" However, we have seen significant improvements in memory performance with each succeeding BIOS release so there may be hope for the X38 chipset to distance itself from the P35 in DDR2 performance. Our take is that we might end up seeing a 1%~3% overall difference at most. Probably just enough for the suppliers to start replacing their high-end P35 motherboards with the X38 variants in order to eliminate product overlap. While this is not bad, it is a disappointment to us after the early hype surrounding the chipset. In fact, our A0 X38 silicon based reference board still performs better that the retail boards but not by much now.

We must emphasize that the DFI board is actually more "stable" at 465FSB; also DDR2-1120 is a little easier to reach with more attractively priced memory modules. Had we used the lower 1:1 divider on the Maximus, the scores would have been reversed. In truth, using the 1:1 divider on either board should only reduce scores by around 1-2% maximum, making some of the cheaper DDR2-1000 capable modules a wise purchase for a workstation or gaming PC. ASUS is currently working on a BIOS release that improves overclocking and we will report any performance changes shortly."

I don't see the point for anyone on single cards. Even the maximus extreme (another $100 - That's a $355 board!) gets you nothing but another % tops. Even in overclocking the DFI UT P35 T2R scores within a % of the Maximus Extreme. That's sad. Just as anand said, it's disappointing.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3190
"t really is no surprise that Intel CPU's are at their very best when teamed with Intel chipsets. Understandably, the release schedule of all the tier-one suppliers includes motherboards in either DDR2 or DDR3 format using either the X38 or the updated (speed binned) X48. While we have always felt that the synthetic performance figures of the X38 in DDR2 form have been lower than expected, the 3D performance gains over more attractively priced P35 chipset is always apparent. In DDR3 format the X38/X48 is the performance choice, and outperforms the DDR2 boards overall in just about every benchmark? well, at least by a few percent. Of course, this slight increase in performance comes at an expensive cost, with DDR3 memory prices being double that of DDR2 - if not more - depending on what speed bin you order."

Translation - Don't bother. "...well, at least by a few percent"...LOL. P35 the chipset of choice for any single card. I'm still waiting for someone to show me SLI/Xfire in any setup that proves they are worthy in even that config. Anyone with a link? For now I agree with cheinonen, $170 can get him 8GB instead of 4GB, a second 500GB drive and $30 in his pocket. Or many other ways to slice it up.

Why do you have an interest in something that is NOT P35? Maybe I've been missing something? Granted if you're trying to set an overclocking record that 2-3% is to die for. But I can't see anything but that currently. The dual/quad vid benchmarks haven't surfaced to prove it's even worth it in that area (correct me if I'm wrong guys, there may be a review out I'm not aware of that compares P35 SLI/Xfire to X38/48 of the same). So why is it interesting to you?
 

Duvie

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I recommend the gigabyte boards. They have been rock solid for me in several of my core 2 duo systems. The only thing I am not happy about is the lack of Pci express 2.0 support from the P35 chipset
 

Markfw

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Look at the lowly IP35-PRO for $59 coming in a whole 1fps behind that $260 formula board.
I see that the IP35-E after rebate is $59, the IP35-pro on the other hand is $134 after rebate, $170. If I am wrong, please link me.
 
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