Question for Christians

dafatha00

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Just wondering.

If a kind, honest, and decent man lives his entire life doing good things, and being an outstanding citizen in society, truly tries to open his mind up to Christianity and attempting to believe in God, but his mind just isn't able to comprehend it, do you still believe that he is going to hell?
 

Whisper

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I just don't believe in Hell. Doesn't make much sense to me, so I've striken it from my religious views.
 

Azraele

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I really don't think God would punish the person who tries so hard when there are so many out there who do so much harm in the world.

What mind really can truly comprehend God
 

notfred

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If I was God, I'd send everyone to hell, christian or not, then I'd go create some aliens.
 

DaejangNim

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i kind of think God gives people a second chance after they die, ie: a guy is raised buddhist since the time he was born, his chance of converting is almost none, so therefore God probably offers something else maybe after they die or right before death
 

Burn

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I am a fundamentalist Christian. What that means is that I am one of those crazy people who take the whole bible literally. I believe the whole thing.

First, I am not asking to be flamed, I am just going to answer the question with my opinion and what I believe the bible says. I don't believe it is possible to totally understand God; I believe we won't completely understand everything until we get to heaven and can ask him some questions. That being said the only condition that needs to be satisfied for someone to go to heaven is that they believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as their savior. It doesn't matter whether or not we completely understand, we just need to have faith (belief) in the one who can save us from hell and forgive our sins.
 

notfred

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<< I am a fundamentalist Christian. What that means is that I am one of those crazy people who take the whole bible literally. I believe the whole thing.

First, I am not asking to be flamed, I am just going to answer the question with my opinion and what I believe the bible says. I don't believe it is possible to totally understand God; I believe we won't completely understand everything until we get to heaven and can ask him some questions. That being said the only condition that needs to be satisfied for someone to go to heaven is that they believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as their savior. It doesn't matter whether or not we completely understand, we just need to have faith (belief) in the one who can save us from hell and forgive our sins.
>>



So, are you saying your religion promotes ignorance?
 

Burn

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No I am not saying it promotes ignorance, sorry if that is how it came across. What I meant by the statement is that God is so complex there are some things we can't understand. Like the concept of him never have been created, he just was always there. I have always had trouble wrapping my head around that. That is where faith comes in. But as I said earlier, faith in Jesus Christ who died for your sins is the only requirement for heaven. So I guess by that standard the guy in the original guestion would not be going to heaven.
 

pinoy

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I don't get it! If this guy cannot comprehend God, where did his honesty, kindness, decency , etc. come from? All those are God's teachings! Just my 2 cents!
 

dc

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nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist christian.
i agree with Burn
 

Yo Ma Ma

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I do not think the man is necessarily destined for hell. While I would agree with Burn I also believe in and have faith in the Grace of God as it would apply to such a situation. Same thing would apply to children and others who were not afforded the opportunity for salvation.
 

Static911

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one word: faith

don't try to understand the word &quot;God.&quot; Obviously, if you choose, you can believe in Bill Gates as &quot;god;&quot; which, therefore, makes any of his actions acceptable and correct. However, we tend to believe in &quot;supernatural&quot; things (things that can't be explained) to be a tad bit more &quot;smarter/intelligent&quot; than us &quot;moral beings&quot;

that solves all questions like &quot;y is it ok for those &quot;holy&quot; wars and mass killings, but instructs in his Ten Commandments not to kill&quot;, etc etc etc

Obviously, the term &quot;God&quot; isn't something physical, like chemistry, physics and biology. Take it for wat it is worth.

Note: I'm still trying to regain that faith; i'm getting there, but not fully there yet.

Note: Used many quotes not to be sarcastic, but to mean it in any interpretation (some ppl will take those words literally, so i kinda wanna protect myself&quot;

Static911
 

Burn

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<< I don't get it! If this guy cannot comprehend God, where did his honesty, kindness, decency , etc. come from? All those are God's teachings! Just my 2 cents >>



People can make themselves live however they want. You don't need God to live an honest, kind, decent, and so forth life. You do need God to get into heaven. Yes they are teachings in the bible, qualities Christians should have, but that doesn't make those qualities exclusive to Christians.

As far as not being able to &quot;comprehend&quot; God, that is not a necessity for salvation. The acceptance of Christ as savior is. Comprehending God is something that comes with times, as you get to know him closer, just as with a friend.
 

PCResources

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I asked a catholic called DRDEATH in another thread, if you would be forgiven for all sins if you repent at your deathbed and sincirely mean it, and he said yes...

So basically, i am going on a raping, murdering thunder train, but i will repent the second before i die, so i will go to heaven...

Seriously, don't believe in god, i believe in myself, as long as i can have respect for myself i am happy, and i would not do anything that makes me hate myself...

So, my answer is, when i lay me down to sleep in the end of my life, everything just goes away and i am forever gone...

Patrick
 

Burn

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<< I do not think the man is necessarily destined for hell. While I would agree with Burn I also believe in and have faith in the Grace of God as it would apply to such a situation. Same thing would apply to children and others who were not afforded the opportunity for salvation. >>



The Bible does speak clearly on that issue. Those who are not able to accept Christ because of their mental abilities, ie the mentally disabled and small children, will have entrance to heaven.
 

dafatha00

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I don't get it! If this guy cannot comprehend God, where did his honesty, kindness, decency , etc. come from? All those are God's teachings! Just my 2 cents!

Good traits aren't a teaching. Its just the way someone chooses to feel. My friend is not at all religious and he believes that its wrong to murder, steal, or what not. Just because you can't comprehend a higher being has nothing to do with the way your personality works.
 

PCResources

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<< I don't get it! If this guy cannot comprehend God, where did his honesty, kindness, decency , etc. come from? >>



So you are saying that god came down from heaven and tought you these things?

Maybe i was raised to be nice, maybe i can figure things out for myself without any help from a non-existent god...



<< All those are God's teachings! Just my 2 cents >>



Hey, i teach my children that, so that must mean that i am god... Before anyone answers this, yup, i know that to them i am god, and i am doing my very best...

Patrick
 

Burn

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<< I asked a catholic called DRDEATH in another thread, if you would be forgiven for all sins if you repent at your deathbed and sincirely mean it, and he said yes... >>



As I said I am a fundamentalist, and I don't believe the bible speaks of salvation by repentance. However, if someone could go their whole life and then sincerely put their faith in Jesus Christ before they die; yes they would be saved and go to heaven. It does happen, many people do see the fault of their ways before they die. It is just a reality of life, people start to seriously worry about the afterlife before they die. However their is a risk associated with that mentality. If you would go all your life rejecting Christ, and have in the back of your mind that you would accept him as saviour when you die, I doubt your salvation could be sincere. Also you never know what tomorrow brings, why risk spending hell in eternity just to continue living in sin a little longer.
 

Burn

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<< Maybe i was raised to be nice, maybe i can figure things out for myself without any help from a non-existent god... >>



That is exactly the thought I had wanted to convey in my earlier response. Yes those qualities should be in the life of a Christian, and yes they are taught in the bible, but that doesn't mean that those traits are exclusive to those who believe in Jesus Christ.
 

PCResources

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<< Those who are not able to accept Christ because of their mental abilities >>



does that include the emotionally impaired like psychopats that kill people but only because they are lacking in the mind, something called compassion...

Patrick
 

PCResources

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<< but that doesn't mean that those traits are exclusive to those who believe in Jesus Christ. >>



No kidding... like you christians have the right to make that judgement...

You all make me very sick, sure your comment was supposed to be &quot;NICE&quot; but guess what, it was NOT, it just stated that even though &quot;you are not as great as i am&quot; you can still be a good person...

Religion is just an excuse for your sorry life, you don't like it, but if you quit before your time then you are surely going to hell...

The most horrible actions have been justified by religion, religion is just power by proxy... Just an excuse to make up for the mistakes that the human race is guilty of...

Patrick
 

Azoth

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May be a bit late on this, but from a Christian perspective, Burn is correct... The perspective is fully dependent on the Bible read, which in Burns case, I do believe would be the King James version. There are other versions of the Bible, many of which are more literal translations of what can be found of the original works, however they are much more archaic on what can be defined as &quot;salvation.&quot;

If you wish to look at this from other perspectives, you will notice that there are many clauses left out in the Bible, with one being the question posted by dafatha00. In a nutshell if one does what they feel is right and good yet is not &quot;saved&quot; from a Christian standpoint, are they destined to hell? That is questionable.

Quite a few religions point to a reincarnation aspect which says you are here for a purpose and will continue to be reincarnated until that purpose is fulfilled, while others state that all you have to do is follow your conscious and do what is right in your mind and you will go to a better place after death.

There is not true answer to the question, as nobody here knows the true answer or can know it.

If there is a supreme good I feel in my opinion that they would judge you on your merits, rather than your belief in a book, because if it is true that the only ones who will see heavens door are those that are saved, or as the Christians would proclaimed &quot;bathed in the blood of Christ,&quot; then look at all of the people in third world countries who have never heard of Jesus or God, still born infants, and others such as Buddhist monks who believe so strongly in their religion that they do not want to hear about anything new.

Are they all damned to hell?

Just my $0.02 take it for what it is worth...
 
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