Question raised by "Sicko"

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: randym431

A higher percentage than would be taken care of in a socialized medicine country, where it would be covered 100% but the waiting list would be such that treatment wouldn't begin until after you were already dead.

This is the memo they want you to believe. You got the memo I see!

Notice in the last rep debate, when Rudy was trying to make a Hillary-care joke, and no one laughed?

Talk about being out of touch with reality concerning American health care.
Guess Rudy got his memo, and no doubt his check(s).

As much as I loath Giuliani, do you really think Hillary is going to craft anything better?

The problem with healthcare is government regulations, and the healthcare industry influencing policy in favor of their pockets. These same people are throwing money at Hillary for a reason.

Bingo. The vast majority of Americans *do* have health insurance, and don't really care for Uncle Sam to come in and "improve" things for them.

For those advocating "universal healthcare," please don't patronize the rest of us - just call it what it is - you just want someone else to pay for the healthcare you wish to generously deliver to others.

You pay more in taxes for healthcare in the US per capita without getting the benefits of universal healthcare, then Canada pays in taxes per capita while getting universal healthcare. The whole 'paying for others' argument is a crock.

The actual reality is that of those advocating "private healthcare", most have their insurance paid directly by their employer as part of their benefits, and getting it "free".

I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

Do you think it's OK to take your money to maintain a military, to maintain infrastructure and public lands, to develop things like the internet and GPS, to conduct hydrogaphic surveys that let you buy your HDTVs from China, guard the borders, and protect us from terrorists?

What is and isn't OK to spend tax dollars on, and why?

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

Maybe, that's just an opinion. But the quality of treatment is different than healthcare system.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Yes. It would still be alot better then what we have now.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Yes. It would still be alot better then what we have now.

The reason we have the problems we currently have with our current health care system is because of government incompetence/corruption/interference. The last thing I want is more.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny? Are you being serious?

What on earth makes you think that the political policies of the Bush administration mean that the government is incapable of funding private insurance for everyone, or providing public healthcare? Last I checked everyone was praising the troops and the military leadership, and we seem to be very proud of NASA and our National Parks, and yet people have this idea that "the government" is inefficient, ineffective, etc.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Yes. It would still be alot better then what we have now.

The reason we have the problems we currently have with our current health care system is because of government incompetence/corruption/interference. The last thing I want is more.

My parents don't have and can't afford health insurance because of government incompetence/corruption/interference? Some talking head must have fed you a lot of baloney at dinnertime for you to be able to regurgitate so much here.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

Do you think it's OK to take your money to maintain a military, to maintain infrastructure and public lands, to develop things like the internet and GPS, to conduct hydrogaphic surveys that let you buy your HDTVs from China, guard the borders, and protect us from terrorists?

What is and isn't OK to spend tax dollars on, and why?

1) most of that is covered by The Constitution, read it.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the statistic you're mentioning is the portion of GDP spent towards healthcare, not taxes.

Spending on healthcare is a good thing.

And taking my money to give to others is a BAD thing.

We have the best healthcare in the world. But like everything in life it isn't free.

Insurance is just that - insurance. You insure things that are important to you. If you choose not to insure (or underinsure) your health then that is your problem. This is what is best for society. The cream rises and we move forward.

Do you think it's OK to take your money to maintain a military, to maintain infrastructure and public lands, to develop things like the internet and GPS, to conduct hydrogaphic surveys that let you buy your HDTVs from China, guard the borders, and protect us from terrorists?

What is and isn't OK to spend tax dollars on, and why?

1) most of that is covered by The Constitution, read it.

I must have missed the part of the Constitution that forbids making sure every citizen has healthcare. Oh it must be that health insurance inhibits life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'd all be dead and sad if we were insured! I'm sure glad the founding fathers foresaw the medical system of 2007 and forbade universal health care.

 

[TallBill]

Another 17 million is people who can afford insurance but elect not to (incomes over $50k).

Uh, now that I'm a college student again our combined income is less then that. But guess what, we still have health insurance.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny? Are you being serious?

What on earth makes you think that the political policies of the Bush administration mean that the government is incapable of funding private insurance for everyone, or providing public healthcare? Last I checked everyone was praising the troops and the military leadership, and we seem to be very proud of NASA and our National Parks, and yet people have this idea that "the government" is inefficient, ineffective, etc.

I'm not talking about just the Bush Administration but every other administration as well. Why did we have gas shortages in the 70s? Because of government interference in the market exacerbated the shortages from OPEC.

Why can't we mine for clean coal in Utah? Because Clinton signed an executive order making the largest clean coal deposit in the world unavailable as a pay off to a donor.

Let's not get into the disastrous results of LBJ's "Great Society" or the out of control spending during the Reagan years and now the last 7 years.

How about the massive tax code that's manipulated and controlled by lobbyists?

Government is an inefficient, highly corruptible beast. I have no trust in the denizens and bureaucracies that reside on Capital Hill.

I'm also talking specifically about Congress as well who would be the ones controlling the purse strings.

 

[Throckmorton]

Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I must have missed the part of the Constitution that forbids making sure every citizen has healthcare. Oh it must be that health insurance inhibits life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'd all be dead and sad if we were insured! I'm sure glad the founding fathers foresaw the medical system of 2007 and forbade universal health care.

Where in The Constitution does it say you are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Read it. Read The Constitution. Read it.

Read it again. Then come back and post. I think you're mixing up historical documents.

 

[villageidiot111]

I don't care if the number of uninsured is 50,000,000 or 500, I think its unacceptable to put anybody in the position of skipping a trip to the hospital because they can't afford it.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

Yeah, I hear that health care in Mexico is top notch!

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I must have missed the part of the Constitution that forbids making sure every citizen has healthcare. Oh it must be that health insurance inhibits life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'd all be dead and sad if we were insured! I'm sure glad the founding fathers foresaw the medical system of 2007 and forbade universal health care.

Where in The Constitution does it say you are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Read it. Read The Constitution. Read it.

Read it again. Then come back and post. I think you're mixing up historical documents.

Yeah you're right, I was thinking of the DoI, but the point still stands that there is nothing in the Constitution forbidding universal healthcare.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tasmanian
First off we dont have the best health care in the world. You would rather pay your insurance company to cover you then to pay taxes and cover everyone?

You'd rather have the government that brought us Social Security, Medicare, Iraq, out of control spending, grand-scale corruption in every nook and cranny from both aisles controlling your health care options?

Yes. It would still be alot better then what we have now.

The reason we have the problems we currently have with our current health care system is because of government incompetence/corruption/interference. The last thing I want is more.

My parents don't have and can't afford health insurance because of government incompetence/corruption/interference? Some talking head must have fed you a lot of baloney at dinnertime for you to be able to regurgitate so much here.

Yes. Why do we have a system of private insurance that only favors those individuals that get insurance through their employers? Because of laws and policies enacted by government.

Why are we forced to pay for insurance that covers things we don't want unlike say our car insurance? Because of government mandates forcing insurance companies to cover those things which only increases the cost.

Why does everyone else have to pay $25 billion+ a year for illegal aliens that abuse the health care system which increases our cost and limits our availability? Because of government.

These are just a couple of reasons. There are many more.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

Yeah, I hear that health care in Mexico is top notch!

Did you look at the map? They're ATTEMPTING it. The health care in the entire Western world, EXCEPT for the US, actually is top notch for all citizens.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

Yes. A loss of freedom.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

Yeah, I hear that health care in Mexico is top notch!

Did you look at the map? They're ATTEMPTING it. The health care in the entire Western world, EXCEPT for the US, actually is top notch for all citizens.

Umm, no.

You want top notch health care? You come to the US.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I must have missed the part of the Constitution that forbids making sure every citizen has healthcare. Oh it must be that health insurance inhibits life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'd all be dead and sad if we were insured! I'm sure glad the founding fathers foresaw the medical system of 2007 and forbade universal health care.

Where in The Constitution does it say you are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Read it. Read The Constitution. Read it.

Read it again. Then come back and post. I think you're mixing up historical documents.

Yeah you're right, I was thinking of the DoI, but the point still stands that there is nothing in the Constitution forbidding universal healthcare.

Read the Constitution again.

Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The power is NOT given the the Federal government, therefore you would have to create an Amendment to do anything at the Federal level.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Here's a map. See a trend?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.../c/c5/WORLDHEALTH2.png

Yes. A loss of freedom.

And in America... An increase in misuse of the word "freedom"