R@pe at Astrodome

[DaShen]

If it is just a rumour, then my bad. But I heard this from a BCM student who I helped move out, and I heard on the news last night that there was an "alleged" rape, so I assumed it was true. I am not trying to spread a rumour.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: edro13
I don't think it's that ridiculous. Think about it. You have 10,000 low class urban people jammed into a small space. It doesn't take a social science degree to know what will happen. You will have theft, rape, violence, etc... It's just the nature of animals.

fixed

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
In a way I feel sorry for the law abiding residents of Texas that are being forced to absorb many of these refugees, many of which will have difficulty finding jobs and integrating in. In no way shape or form am I saying a different solution exists, or that race has anything to do with it. It has a lot more to do with socio-economic status. A lot of these people had difficulty finding jobs back in New Orleans, imagine how hard it will be for them in a foreign city with little to no support. Odds are they won?t be going back to NO to rebuild and the people of Houston will have to carry the burden of employment and a higher crime rate.

Why? Texas will build a few more prisons and eventually these people will end up there.

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: JRock
Not even going to say what came to mind... I don't want a vacation.

 

[forrestroche]

Originally posted by: DaShen
The news says alleged, but it happened. They probably don't want histeria from the public.

They say alleged because regardless of whether it was shown live on Fox News from five angles, there is still a presumption of innocence in the criminal justice system. Legal guilt and factual guilt are two totally different concepts and the news media in the United States uses the legal definition (usually).

This is why people in criminal trials are not found "innocent" but rather "not guilty." The law recognizes that people can be factually guilty while there may be insufficient evidence to establish legal guilt. And conversely, in a view held by many judges (Anton Scalia for one), actual INNOCENCE is not an impairment to incarceration of an individual who has been found legally guilty in a procedurally fair trial. In other words, after all appelate avenues are exhausted, should Fox News come forward with a tape showing another person commiting the crime, the convicted defendant, in many jurisdictions, has NO recourse under the law. The only remedy in this case is a pardon.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: edro13
I don't think it's that ridiculous. Think about it. You have 10,000 low class urban people jammed into a small space. It doesn't take a social science degree to know what will happen. You will have theft, rape, violence, etc... It's just the nature of people.

qft

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Seems unreal. Normally we hear of atrocities like this in the warlord-run villages in rural africa, not some modern western civilisation. What gives?

Yah. I remember many people in the media called the Iraqis 'savages' during the looting of the city right after the invasion. I wonder how the world sees us know.

 

[0roo0roo]

too trusting. esp in this situation, any woman should have gone in a large group or been armed. underestimating evil of human nature

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Syrch

Originally posted by: edro13
I don't think it's that ridiculous. Think about it. You have 10,000 low class urban people jammed into a small space. It doesn't take a social science degree to know what will happen. You will have theft, rape, violence, etc... It's just the nature of people.

Sad but true

Alot of things are in the natural of the human animal. That's why we have laws. That's what makes us more. That's what holds together our civilization. There is no justification for what these people are doing. If they want to acts like animals, we can treat them like animals.

No, we can't treat them like animals. That's what makes us more.
Stow the cynical indignation and start working to fix the problems. If you are, donating your time and energy good, otherwise STFU.

 

[DaShen]

Just so you new posters know. I just heard from a friend that this may be false. I did hear this from a BCM student, but my friend has a lot of connections, too.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Are you in the least bit surprised? I'm not. Nothing but a bunch of filthy worthless deadbeats.

oh gee's....

if your entire city got ruined, you'd be homeless, jobless, have no possestions, and basically be screwed.

you'd act out too.. this was totally unexpected to those refugee's.. its prolly driving them insane and causing them to do really stupid stuff.

think about it, if everything you worked so hard for got taken away by a stupid hurricane.... how the hell would you react?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: DaShen
I think they are putting little coverage on it because it would cause a backlash, whihc hisn't something they need. It was on the news last night BTW, it just wasn't broadcasted as highly as the emergency. 90% of the people of still just families. It is the 10% that cause the problems.

The refugees still need assistance.

What? I understood the last sentence... the rest was gibberish. Now I'm 100% certain the OP was false.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Where are the rappers massive donations of funds for these people? They foster and support their lifestyle. I'd like to see them ante up millions of dollars to help these people live a better life than they had before. It's a chance to start over as much as it is a tragedy of losing everything.

Rappers don't have any money. 90% of rappers spend money they don't have on jewelry they can't afford. This is 100% true, and not a stereotype. If you don't believe me, talk to an artist about how much money they make, then take a look at how much money most rappers wear on their necks. Most are loans from their record companies for albums they haven't released. They spend what money they DO have on homes they can't afford.

The exception to this are the producer rappers that actually DO make tons of money (Master P, Kanye West, Dr. Dre, the Neptunes, etc.), rappers that have been around forever (Snoop, etc.), and rappers that have branched out into acting (Ice T, Snoop, DMX, etc.).

EDIT: And for the record, I only know of Master P of those that I named actually making a contribution. I may remember hearing Kanye donating something, but nothing out of the rest.

 

[Ilmater]

Something that you all are obviously overlooking is that these are ALL poor people. To not expect more crime from poor people is ignorant on our part. Some of these people (a higher percentage of them than you would find in a random sampling of the populace) have been looting and raping for much of their adult lives. Now they've lost what little they've had, and their whole lives are turned upside down. How can you people not expect this?

I do not blame those that are there, and I hope the country doesn't hold it against them.

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Rogue
Where are the rappers massive donations of funds for these people? They foster and support their lifestyle. I'd like to see them ante up millions of dollars to help these people live a better life than they had before. It's a chance to start over as much as it is a tragedy of losing everything.

Rappers don't have any money. 90% of rappers spend money they don't have on jewelry they can't afford. This is 100% true, and not a stereotype. If you don't believe me, talk to an artist about how much money they make, then take a look at how much money most rappers wear on their necks. Most are loans from their record companies for albums they haven't released. They spend what money they DO have on homes they can't afford.

The exception to this are the producer rappers that actually DO make tons of money (Master P, Kanye West, Dr. Dre, the Neptunes, etc.), rappers that have been around forever (Snoop, etc.), and rappers that have branched out into acting (Ice T, Snoop, DMX, etc.).

EDIT: And for the record, I only know of Master P of those that I named actually making a contribution. I may remember hearing Kanye donating something, but nothing out of the rest.

I understand that entirely, trust me, I do. It's easy to forget that the record labels practically slave out these guys for money. Perhaps then the major labels that make money off of these guys should look at pulling an Oprah and buying them all cars or something. This is just preposterous. I'm sure the people themselves have a part in their misfortune in life prior to the hurricane, however, now is the chance to start over.

Also, when will the question and comparison come up about families of 9/11 getting money vs. Katrina victims? It's just a matter of time.

 

[eakers]

NO had high incidents of rape before this storm even hit. Rape is also very common in every refugee camp in the world. Not that it isn't sick or a tragedy but its the kind of thing that should be expected and controlled.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DaShen
I helped someone move out of her apartment yesterday because it was right by the Astrodome. She is a med student and she went with some doctors to the Astrodome to help out. One of the doctors was raped, another assaulted. The news says alleged, but it happened. They probably don't want histeria from the public. Plus, there was a theft at the local drugstore the day after the people were settled in the Astrodome that is being investigated, and is most likely caused by the refugees. Am I the only one here that thinks this is getting ridiculous? Man, H-town's crime was not that bad for a big city before, but now, I think it is going to be terrible. I think anyone caught doing criminal activity in N.O. or as a refugee should get the maximum sentence, no questions asked.

I mean they are attacking everyone that is trying to help them.

the criminals aren't taking a break because there has been a hurricane.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Where are the rappers massive donations of funds for these people? They foster and support their lifestyle. I'd like to see them ante up millions of dollars to help these people live a better life than they had before. It's a chance to start over as much as it is a tragedy of losing everything.

It's so easy to spew hate when you haven't tried, for even a moment, to look up any information. Say it with me. It starts with a G, then O, another O you finish the rest.

As previously reported, Sean "Diddy" Combs, Jay-Z, Stevie Wonder, Omarion, Common and Juvenile are joining the BET telethon for Hurricane Katrina relief, spearheaded by hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, airing Friday, September 9th at 7:30 p.m. The artists join a lineup that includes Wynton Marsalis, David Banner and Master P. In addition to their BET appearance, Diddy and Jay-Z have pledged $1 million to the American Red Cross in effort to aid the damaged areas. Similarly, teen singer/actress Hilary Duff will donate $250,000 for victim relief, with $200,000 going to the Red Cross and $50,000 to USA Harvest. Duff is also encouraging fans to bring canned goods to her concerts for donation.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Rogue
Where are the rappers massive donations of funds for these people? They foster and support their lifestyle. I'd like to see them ante up millions of dollars to help these people live a better life than they had before. It's a chance to start over as much as it is a tragedy of losing everything.

Rappers don't have any money. 90% of rappers spend money they don't have on jewelry they can't afford. This is 100% true, and not a stereotype. If you don't believe me, talk to an artist about how much money they make, then take a look at how much money most rappers wear on their necks. Most are loans from their record companies for albums they haven't released. They spend what money they DO have on homes they can't afford.

The exception to this are the producer rappers that actually DO make tons of money (Master P, Kanye West, Dr. Dre, the Neptunes, etc.), rappers that have been around forever (Snoop, etc.), and rappers that have branched out into acting (Ice T, Snoop, DMX, etc.).

EDIT: And for the record, I only know of Master P of those that I named actually making a contribution. I may remember hearing Kanye donating something, but nothing out of the rest.

I understand that entirely, trust me, I do. It's easy to forget that the record labels practically slave out these guys for money. Perhaps then the major labels that make money off of these guys should look at pulling an Oprah and buying them all cars or something. This is just preposterous. I'm sure the people themselves have a part in their misfortune in life prior to the hurricane, however, now is the chance to start over.

Also, when will the question and comparison come up about families of 9/11 getting money vs. Katrina victims? It's just a matter of time.

Crap. You're right.

Here it comes...."somebody is to blame!!!! gimmie my money! I deserve money!"

 

[yllus]

I'm still pretty skeptical about these alleged rapes and murders - where is the documentation?

Just FYI, I'm trying to put together a list of non-partisan answers to the most common Hurricane Katrina questions in this thread, please feel free to contribute/comment/correct what's written:

Hurricane Katrina: A consolidated list of questions and answers about the crisis.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: yllus
I'm still pretty skeptical about these alleged rapes and murders - where is the documentation?

Just FYI, I'm trying to put together a list of non-partisan answers to the most common Hurricane Katrina questions in this thread, please feel free to contribute/comment/correct what's written:

Hurricane Katrina: A consolidated list of questions and answers about the crisis.

i'm a little skeptical too, but just the same can we keep the evacuees in their designated evac locations? i live not too far from the the convention center here, and i don't need that kind of thing going on nearby.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Two peanuts were at the astrodome.....one was assaulted.

I wish someone would rape my doctor. He's been raping me for the last 3 years while I pay my stinking copays for crappy service and nice 2 hour long waits when I have an appointment.

 

[Scarpozzi]

 

[BCYL]

What I don't understand is the shooting that happened a few days ago... why would these people shoot at the contractors coming to help them & and police?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Are you in the least bit surprised? I'm not. Nothing but a bunch of filthy worthless deadbeats.

oh gee's....

if your entire city got ruined, you'd be homeless, jobless, have no possestions, and basically be screwed.

you'd act out too.. this was totally unexpected to those refugee's.. its prolly driving them insane and causing them to do really stupid stuff.

think about it, if everything you worked so hard for got taken away by a stupid hurricane.... how the hell would you react?

you are joking, right? umm this was totally EXPECTED and thats what the mandatory evacuation thing was all about. the people who are doing all this BS stuff are the people who didnt listen and follow the mandatory evacuation, and are now screwed because they stayed and tried to make it through the natural disaster.

and i can tell you one thing, if i was in their shoes, i definitely would not be firing a weapon at the people trying to help me who are trying to give me food and/or trying to get me out of the hazard area.

so yea, i wouldn't react like these morons are.