i thought everyone already knew
anyway, since i am keeping my x1950p and i *need* a PS for now AND for SLI or xfire next year, i just upgraded to next year's PS now, using the credit from my 7800GS RMA return
basically
Originally posted by: gramboh
Just curious, why did you buy an expensive 850W PSU for an old P4 system with AGP? Why not upgrade to PCI-e and 8800GTS?
i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Why do you care so much about this if you just got a new card a power supply? its not like you where planning on buying a 2800 or 8800 and the 1950's run every damn DX9 game with awesome frames right now anyway. And just to restate what everyone already knows, THERES NO DX10 games to play on that $550 8800, and theres no games now that a $250 card can't run.
You've been beating the same dead horse for the last 2 weeks since we heard that r600 would be delayed.
Take a day off, please.:disgust:
did you read the rest of my posts? or ADD take overOriginally posted by: Zebo
i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
Thats insane, total overkill like shooting rabbits with a .308. Is it quiet?
FWIW I run SLI 7900GTX's and an opteron way OCed @ 3.1Ghz (meaning it uses about 130W itself) pump, 2 HDDs, 2 DVDs, sound card and fans and thier controller (sunbeam) with a 520W Corsair. In fact I run four of these PSU's in various setups with no problems whatsoever.
extremely quietanyway, since i am keeping my x1950p and i *need* a PS for now AND for SLI or xfire next year, i just upgraded to next year's PS now, using the credit from my 7800GS RMA return
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Why do you care so much about this if you just got a new card a power supply? its not like you where planning on buying a 2800 or 8800 and the 1950's run every damn DX9 game with awesome frames right now anyway. And just to restate what everyone already knows, THERES NO DX10 games to play on that $550 8800, and theres no games now that a $250 card can't run.
You've been beating the same dead horse for the last 2 weeks since we heard that r600 would be delayed.
Take a day off, please.:disgust:
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Why do you care so much about this if you just got a new card a power supply? its not like you where planning on buying a 2800 or 8800 and the 1950's run every damn DX9 game with awesome frames right now anyway. And just to restate what everyone already knows, THERES NO DX10 games to play on that $550 8800, and theres no games now that a $250 card can't run.
You've been beating the same dead horse for the last 2 weeks since we heard that r600 would be delayed.
Take a day off, please.:disgust:
Totally disagree. My X1900XTX chokes at 1920x1200 (So would a X1950XTX).
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Why do you care so much about this if you just got a new card a power supply? its not like you where planning on buying a 2800 or 8800 and the 1950's run every damn DX9 game with awesome frames right now anyway. And just to restate what everyone already knows, THERES NO DX10 games to play on that $550 8800, and theres no games now that a $250 card can't run.
You've been beating the same dead horse for the last 2 weeks since we heard that r600 would be delayed.
Take a day off, please.:disgust:
Totally disagree. My X1900XTX chokes at 1920x1200 (So would a X1950XTX).
Well it must be nice to have a 24inch widescreen, but most people have 19inch lcds, 1280x1024 is alot different then 1920x1200. In you case the 8800 would be a damn good upgrade.
Thats why I never pulled the trigger on a 24" because I knew I would be upgrading my vid card every year just too play newer games at a native resolution.
Quick question, what monitor did you have before? and how does it compare to that 24"
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: thefonz
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh sorry, thought you had fried your 7800gs which you did oc. Or at least said you did, off topic in this very thread.
no - 7800GS OC had no problem whatsoever ... i really liked that GPU ... good value for $160 ... i am returning it simply because i couldn't get my price for my brand new, back-from-RMA, Sapphire ... and to make damn sure there are no PS issues whatsoever, i upgraded to 850w OCZ so i can run that power-hungry ATi GPU.
that OT 'fluff' should be OUT of the way ... how about you and the boyz answering the questions and points i brought up the *real issue* of what this topic is about?
1) R600 delayed ... late .... and x1950xtx is shamed by 8800 in DX9 ... so there is a real *need* for it ... now
2) AMD isn't competitive and it is hurting them
added) No *matter* what little *goodies* and extra performance they bring out when they finally DO launch it, it hurts them to be late ... now
deal with it
Why do you care so much about this if you just got a new card a power supply? its not like you where planning on buying a 2800 or 8800 and the 1950's run every damn DX9 game with awesome frames right now anyway. And just to restate what everyone already knows, THERES NO DX10 games to play on that $550 8800, and theres no games now that a $250 card can't run.
You've been beating the same dead horse for the last 2 weeks since we heard that r600 would be delayed.
Take a day off, please.:disgust:
who cares what *you* think?
:thumbsdown:
that 8800 beats the hell out of a x1900xtx in DX9 in every way
--and there's no games now that a $50 6600GT can't "run"
you can take a week off
Originally posted by: Creig
It's amusing that I can agree that the 8800 is a fine card, the R600 is late, ATI has nothing on the street to challenge Nvidia's top card and that anyone in the market for a fast card shouldn't wait on the R600 and simply pick up an 8800 now.
Yet somehow I'm a fanboy because I said that anyone claiming to *know* the reason for the R600 delay is simply pulling things out of their ass because there's no proof one way or the other at this time.
Go figure.
like you have respect for anyone? or that your head is not in your ass.Originally posted by: thefonz
Who cares what anybody thinks? :disgust:
It's obvious you have no respect for anyones opinions except your own, pull your ego/head out of your ass, if possible. This is a forum, not a place where you yell and everyone listens.
If your so happy about the 8800's performance GO AND BUY ONE, stop preaching about what everyone already knows. It's repetitive and annoying.
you are a fanboy simply because you are *one-sided* ... and a rather one-dimensional in your reasoningOriginally posted by: Creig
It's amusing that I can agree that the 8800 is a fine card, the R600 is late, ATI has nothing on the street to challenge Nvidia's top card and that anyone in the market for a fast card shouldn't wait on the R600 and simply pick up an 8800 now.
Yet somehow I'm a fanboy because I said that anyone claiming to *know* the reason for the R600 delay is simply pulling things out of their ass because there's no proof one way or the other at this time.
Go figure.
Okay?i am not *claiming* to know the exact reason r600 is late ... just pointing out that it IS late and it 's lateness DOES have *consequences*
the fanboys have been disagreeing with my right to express my opinion ... and they refuse to look at the issues instead they are attacking the one who brings them up - me.Originally posted by: josh6079
Okay?i am not *claiming* to know the exact reason r600 is late ... just pointing out that it IS late and it 's lateness DOES have *consequences*
Who has been disagreeing with that? The only disagreements I've seen have been about the reason of the delay, not whether or not the card *has* been delayed. That part is obvious.
Everyone knows the card is late, everyone knows that has consequences (what doesn't after all) and everyone can *guess* as to why it's late.
Just because someone doesn't guess the same reason for the delay that you do doesn't mean it's a wrong guess, and for all we know it could be right. The "there's a problem with the card, it's not performing well / buggy." is a logical guess and is possibly the reason. May not be *the* reason, but it's a good guess.
However, are people here really surprised by this launch? I mean, ATi doesn't exactly have a good history with launching cards on time or in mass quantity.
So instead of marching the stupid "fanboy" parade perhaps people should just walk away with, "All we know is that the card is delayed and that kind of sucks depending on who you are."
Originally posted by: apoppin
you are a fanboy simply because you are *one-sided* ... and a rather one-dimensional in your reasoning
you *can agree* because you have no choice ... 8800 IS a fine card, the R600 IS late, ATI has nothing on the street to challenge Nvidia's top card
i am not *claiming* to know the exact reason r600 is late ... just pointing out that it IS late and it 's lateness DOES have *consequences*
"R600 Delayed for simultaneous launch" is a *stupid* reason ... IF it is true, THEN AMD is really lost and they are allowing "marketing" to drive them ... which is a disaster [imo]
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: apoppin
you are a fanboy simply because you are *one-sided* ... and a rather one-dimensional in your reasoning
you *can agree* because you have no choice ... 8800 IS a fine card, the R600 IS late, ATI has nothing on the street to challenge Nvidia's top card
i am not *claiming* to know the exact reason r600 is late ... just pointing out that it IS late and it 's lateness DOES have *consequences*
"R600 Delayed for simultaneous launch" is a *stupid* reason ... IF it is true, THEN AMD is really lost and they are allowing "marketing" to drive them ... which is a disaster [imo]
I simply try to base my opinions on facts. A fanboy is someone who sticks with one company or the other despite the facts or invents/distorts facts to make one company look bad and the other good.
I'm sorry if my preference to stick to facts offends your overactive imagination, but that's just the way I am.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: apoppin
no just you and the fan club
your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions
mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.
I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.
you are completely missing the point as usual ... you called them *what if*, they are NOT!
no wonder Rollo enjoyed savaging you so much ... it so easy ... after years here you never learn
i am talking about your and especially Dug777's *WHAT IF?* fantasy
do not *confuse* your fantasy with MY *IF ... THEN* comments
the *difference* is you [and Dug] are speculating on future possibilities ... i am talking about he *concrete realities* ... AMD *is* LATE[period]
and there are "consequences" for this lateness ..... all but the most *blinded* fanboy can see them working right now in AMD's stock prices.
*IF* they continue to delay *then* there will be more severe consequences
[not fanboy fantasy "what if r600 was magically delicious?"]
everybody but the *fanboys* comprehend it ... Keys even tried to explain it to you
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Why?Originally posted by: evolucion8
I don't understand why people keep stating that the R600 is late, there's any DX10 game right now? Other than DX10 patched DX9 games with doesn't offer that much eye candy. Are we able to see more than 10 DX10 tittles released by May, even on August? Are we seeing an ultra high Windows Vista Adoption? Is Windows Vista having the 75 percent of the Windows Market share? Shesh, case closed, next one please! By the time that DX10 will be used widely probably the R600 and the G80 will not have the power to run it, pretty much like it happened with the 9700PRO when DX9 was fully employed. Even today the G80 is struggling in games like Rainbow Six: Las Vegas and it is a DX9 game, of course on high resolutions like 1600x1200 with Anti Aliasing and AF, just plain strange. And the nVidia demos are not running on ultra high frame rates neither.
let me explain it to you in the strongest terms possible
R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I think the mere fact that ackmed, 5150joker and most of the other more rabid fanatics have been conspicously absent/silent in the forum (if you really believe ackmed can't get 'net access to partake in discsussion I've a bridge i'd like to sell you) tells you everything you need to know.
i can agree that my terms are invalid for *you* but don't start that "i live in the real world" CRAP - like i *Don't*Originally posted by: evolucion8
Originally posted by: apoppin
R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games
The X1950XT already performs great on DX9, a 8800GTX simply will perform better, but can we see something really different, other than DX10 support, visually there's little difference in Image Quality which is slighly better on the 8800GTX, for God sakes, we are talking about DX10, not DX9, so your terms are invalid again for me. I live in the real world and I can see that DX10 haven't been widely adopted yet and neither Vista, is an inmature platform and for the time that DX10 will be implemented, probably the 8800GTX and R600 will have the performance of the Radeon 9700PRO on DX9 games released beyond 2004. So now with the 8800GTX release, suddenly the X1950XT became old, slow and obsolete, pity eh? After all it is just a videocard.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I think the mere fact that ackmed, 5150joker and most of the other more rabid fanatics have been conspicously absent/silent in the forum (if you really believe ackmed can't get 'net access to partake in discsussion I've a bridge i'd like to sell you) tells you everything you need to know.
Why do you always insist on name calling? And no, I couldnt get net access for some time. I dont care if you believe me or not. I get on only a few times a week. I wasnt able to get on at all for a few months, and then for a few weeks after that. I also didnt take a shower for about 3 weeks straight. Again, I dont care if you believe me or not. I have nothing to hide from.
What do you want me to say? The R600 delay sucks, plain and simple. NV really stepped up to the plate as far as I can tell with the quality of AF, and a few other things that were big improvements over the 7x series. The 8x series is much better in every area, other than the high price it still demands. Where as the 7x dropped in price fast, but it also had competition. The ball is clearly in ATI/AMDs court. While the 8800 series isnt perfect (drivers come to mind), there is no single performance crown debate right now.
If I was going to buy a card right now, it would be an 8800GTX, easy choice to me. Perhaps even two. I buy whatever I think is best, no matter what brand. I guarantee I buy more cards than you do, and have used far more than you. But go ahead and keep slinging mud with name calling, and acting as if you're perfect. If I had a pizza, Id have dinner and a show reading your posts.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
b: simultaneous launch FUD (this just borders on insanity, AMDATI losing a TON of cash to Nvidia by not having equivalent products out to compete with)
So no. None of us knows EXACTLY why R600 is suffocatingly late. But that doesn't mean we are blind either (well, the rest of us anyway). Basically a lot of us are worried that all the progress that AMD made over the last 3 to 4 years is shrinking at an alarming rate. The longer they wait to release R600/Barcelona, the more they have to scratch and claw to try to get back any market share they lost (And this is if they even have products that can compete with Intel/Nvidia. ::::Crosses fingers:::.
who *cares* what you think about my cardOriginally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
b: simultaneous launch FUD (this just borders on insanity, AMDATI losing a TON of cash to Nvidia by not having equivalent products out to compete with)
So no. None of us knows EXACTLY why R600 is suffocatingly late. But that doesn't mean we are blind either (well, the rest of us anyway). Basically a lot of us are worried that all the progress that AMD made over the last 3 to 4 years is shrinking at an alarming rate. The longer they wait to release R600/Barcelona, the more they have to scratch and claw to try to get back any market share they lost (And this is if they even have products that can compete with Intel/Nvidia. ::::Crosses fingers:::.
Well as long as none of us know why the r600 is late. Oh well if amd fails, intel will eat nvidia and computers will become as interesting as the choice between vista and xp.
edit: not sure if as a consumer I am happy with a guy that overclocks a video card and than returns it because noone wanted to pay an exorbitant price for his old card. :thumbsdown: