R600 Delayed for simultaneous launch

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Ackmed

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Perhaps by "our" he ment mine and his. Not gastanfors. Just the facts? How about sticking to them yourself. 95% is a made up number.

This is not the place to get into this. This isnt off topic, or some political thread.

Ill be flying home April 19th, and Ill probably post more often. Maybe then Ill "defend ATI" again in your eyes, and all order will be restored. I will be going to Australia this summer. though.

But no, there should never be personal insults. That doesnt change that he always makes them though.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Perhaps by "our" he ment mine and his. Not gastanfors. Just the facts? How about sticking to them yourself. 95% is a made up number.

This is not the place to get into this. This isnt off topic, or some political thread.

Ill be flying home April 19th, and Ill probably post more often. Maybe then Ill "defend ATI" again in your eyes, and all order will be restored. I will be going to Australia this summer. though.

But no, there should never be personal insults. That doesnt change that he always makes them though.
you're right, it is much larger than 95%

and you don't know what a fact is, fanboy

you should be proud to be a fanboy and a US marine

good luck



 

Ackmed

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Sigh. Good job continuing with the insults. I know plenty of facts. One being, you dont take your own advice, and stick to the facts. I dont think Ive missed anything being gone.

edit, its pointless going down this road. This thread is well off topic ow. Im done.
 

apoppin

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so you shouldn't be proud to be a US marine

or a fanboy?
:Q
[you wear that last one on your sleeve]



what insults?

i think you have a comprehension issue

and my facts are accurate ... yours are skewed


and *miss you* ... catch you later

good luck ... stay alert and low

and you are right ... when fanboys are confronted by indisputable facts - like R600's delay ... they tend to cut and run when they run out of baseless accusations and mudslinging ...

... if their smoke screen of FUD, troll dance and cries of "unfair" fail

just like AMD is doing
:roll:
 

5150Joker

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Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.

I don't doubt it. Its kind of sad when there's more quality titles on consoles that have been out for less than a year than on the PC. PC gaming has turned into endless anticipation followed by disappointment and then back to anticipation. Throw in really expensive hardware that costs as much or more to maintain as consoles and its looking pretty grim for PC gaming. I'll pick up an XBox360 and/or PS3 in the next few months and maintain my PC simultaneously, but I doubt I'll even bother with upgrading my PC for games the next time around.

 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.

I don't doubt it. Its kind of sad when there's more quality titles on consoles that have been out for less than a year than on the PC. PC gaming has turned into endless anticipation followed by disappointment and then back to anticipation. Throw in really expensive hardware that costs as much or more to maintain as consoles and its looking pretty grim for PC gaming. I'll pick up an XBox360 and/or PS3 in the next few months and maintain my PC simultaneously, but I doubt I'll even bother with upgrading my PC for games the next time around.


That's essentially what I've done, I moved away from constantly upgrading my PC to enjoying a large library of games on a console. I've got over 10 games on the 360 already after having owned it less than a year; with the PC I'd be lucky to buy 1 game a year.
 

allies

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Well... the PC gaming industry was ~1Bil out of the ~13Bil gaming industry for 2006. Without pirating, I'd venture that the figure would about double. 2/14 >> ~15% of the gaming industry. Not that bad considering that Xbox, PS2, PS3, and Xbox360 all take their fare share.

Add this to the fact that there weren't really any blockbuster games in '06... the pc gaming business could be much better. I'm gonna be picking up STALKER... hell, $30, why not? And I'll play Crysis, UT3, Hellgate: London, Bioshock, all this year.

Hopefully with AMD's successor to the R600 (if it ever comes out...)
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.

I don't doubt it. Its kind of sad when there's more quality titles on consoles that have been out for less than a year than on the PC. PC gaming has turned into endless anticipation followed by disappointment and then back to anticipation. Throw in really expensive hardware that costs as much or more to maintain as consoles and its looking pretty grim for PC gaming. I'll pick up an XBox360 and/or PS3 in the next few months and maintain my PC simultaneously, but I doubt I'll even bother with upgrading my PC for games the next time around.

you'll be back ...

the PC is about to pull ahead of the consoles ... they will have clear graphics superiority ... if you have the bucks ... the same titles - if optimized for their respective platforms - are about to look much nicer on PC ...
another year or so
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.

People have been saying that PC gaming is dead for years. However they like to ignore facts like how the recent expansion to world of warcraft sold 3.5 million copies in one month and had more pre-orders on Amazon than any other game ever (including consoles).

NVIDIA & AMD seem to somehow be making billions off this dead industry.

After the Atari craze, people thought consoles were dead. Then Nintendo came along. After that there was another period of stagnation and then the Playstation came along.

Same with the PC industry. It just goes through phases.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Several developers over at Shacknews have chimed in on the state of the PC gaming industry. In their view, PC gaming is dying and the incentive for them to continue to develop on the PC as a primary platform is quickly shrinking. I'd be far more concerned about that rather than how late the R600 is or whether or not someone is a fanboy.

People have been saying that PC gaming is dead for years. However they like to ignore facts like how the recent expansion to world of warcraft sold 3.5 million copies in one month and had more pre-orders on Amazon than any other game ever (including consoles).

NVIDIA & AMD seem to somehow be making billions off this dead industry.

After the Atari craze, people thought consoles were dead. Then Nintendo came along. After that there was another period of stagnation and then the Playstation came along.

Same with the PC industry. It just goes through phases.


This isn't hyperbole on the part of a few fanboys arguing about the viability of the PC gaming industry, it's directly from the horses mouth, developers. If they're making a case for the demise of the PC gaming industry then you as a consumer should sit up and take note. If you took time to read through that thread, you'd see that WoW is an extreme case of the PC gaming bell curve and nowhere near the typical representation of how well a PC game does. nVidia is doing well because it has diversified and AMD/ATi, well they're not doing so hot.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Directly from the horses mouth. It is possible to bet on the wrong horse ya know.


I don't think the heads of id, epic and 3DR are making things up. If they're arguing the PC gaming industry is in trouble, then it more than likely is.
 

CaiNaM

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3DR? lol.. playstation 7 may be out before they produce a product...

and what has ID or Epic come out with lately? just cause they can sell rehashed ideas on consoles better than on pc's doesn't mean pc gaming is dying. build a good game and people will buy it, simple as that.

explain to me how it's cheaper to develop games on ps3 than on pc.

every time new consoles launch, we hear the same thing (pc gaming is dead), and every time it hasn't happened. i'm no more worried about it now than i was then.

and btw, this whole "pc gaming is dead" thing really doesn't belong in this thread; quit thread crapping.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
3DR? lol.. playstation 7 may be out before they produce a product...

and what has ID or Epic come out with lately? just cause they can sell rehashed ideas on consoles better than on pc's doesn't mean pc gaming is dying. build a good game and people will buy it, simple as that.


Epic just finished making Gears of War which sold millions of copies and their UT franchise has done incredibly well. That's not even counting how well they've been marketing their Unreal 3 engine. As for id, together with SD, they're introducing Quake Wars, released Doom 3 (for which I'm sure you've quoted benchmarks in your video card arguments) and are set on releasing another engine and game soon. It could be argued that FPS gaming on the PC has thrived because of id and epic and their constant innovation with game engines. As for 3DR, they've worked in tandem with other studios and released Prey and Max Payne, two popular titles on the PC.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your taking jabs at industry leading developers. As for thread crapping, this thread went off course long before I showed up with GStanfor and Appopin attacking Ackmed, myself and others.


 

ronnn

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Oh well, CJ at B3D (they are down so can't link), stated r600 is planned for launch somewhere between March 27 and May. But only one of the lower lineup will be ready. So there goes the unified launch. If CJ is accurate (seems to have good rep).
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh well, CJ at B3D (they are down so can't link), stated r600 is planned for launch somewhere between March 27 and May. But only one of the lower lineup will be ready. So there goes the unified launch. If CJ is accurate (seems to have good rep).

that would mean "we" get them in June



where is he 'hearing' this?

AMD is letting a lotta conflicting things 'slip'

some are saying a "few weeks"

better deal
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Epic just finished making Gears of War which sold millions of copies and their UT franchise has done incredibly well.

can't really use GoW to compare; it sold 0 titles on pc. who's to say it would not have sold millions were it available?

still, ut2k3 was hardly a complete title, and was simply rehashed as ut2k4. was it fun? yea, i thought so, but that doesn't mean it wasn't simply a 6 year old UT rehashed... and if did so well on pc's as you state, how is pc gaming dying?

That's not even counting how well they've been marketing their Unreal 3 engine.

but that has nothing to do with the "death of pc gaming"; in fact ue3 is being used on pc games. at any rate, the fact they can program an "engine" doesn't change the fact they haven't released anything original on pc's in half a decade. my point is that the "horse's mouth" should be successful pc game developers, not those chose console cause they lacked any original ideas.

i have nothing against xbox, but with a few exceptions, if you want original console games/ideas, you need to go with wii. while they've certainly attempted to diversify a bit, xbox is still a realm for fps...


As for id, together with SD, they're introducing Quake Wars, released Doom 3 (for which I'm sure you've quoted benchmarks in your video card arguments)

quake wars is still a rehash of things id has done for the last 15 years, albeit with a slightly different format. time will tell if it's a good title or not, but it certainly doesn't signify they've done anything recently.

doom 3? how does a benchmarking tool quality it as anything more than that? some of it was okay, but it was hardly a breakthrough title.

and are set on releasing another engine and game soon. It could be argued that FPS gaming on the PC has thrived because of id and epic and their constant innovation with game engines. As for 3DR, they've worked in tandem with other studios and released Prey and Max Payne, two popular titles on the PC.

prey was popular? how old is max payne (tho i liked the first one)?

But don't let the facts get in the way of your taking jabs at industry leading developers. As for thread crapping, this thread went off course long before I showed up with GStanfor and Appopin attacking Ackmed, myself and others.

nothing you've stated contradicts what i said. all you've done is confirmed what i said, that these companies haven't done anything good for years...

and quality and originality notwithstanding, WoW has almost 10million subscribers (the exp almost 4m in a couple months), the sims/sims2 have sold over 10m copies on pc.

other games which have sold well on pc:

Microsoft Flight Simulator X Deluxe - Microsoft
Medieval II: Total War - Sega of America
Battlefield 2142 - Electronic Arts
Age of Empires III - Microsoft
Company of Heroes - THQ
Neverwinter Nights 2 - Atari
Age of Empires III: WarChiefs Expansion Pack - Microsoft
Guild Wars Nightfall - NCSoft
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 2K Games

no, pc gaming is far from dying, and the fact is good games still sell, regardless of platform... and notice none of the developers you mentioned have any games listed above. there's a reason for that...

 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ronnn
Oh well, CJ at B3D (they are down so can't link), stated r600 is planned for launch somewhere between March 27 and May. But only one of the lower lineup will be ready. So there goes the unified launch. If CJ is accurate (seems to have good rep).

where is he 'hearing' this?

I understand that unlike the denizens of anandtech, he has sources and tends to be right about theses things. I must admit to being surprised. I had assumed that the r600 was canceled as a high end card and would surface in the midrange. Better be quick, as I need a new rig and new hardware always drives down prices.
 

Gstanfor

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When you think about the R600's rumored specs and the 115 gig or so of bandwidth on offer, about the only thing I can think of that would use that up is true 8x MSAA at high resolution. I have a feeling AMD and the fanatics warcry will be how R600 does "real" AA and doesn't "cheat" with things like CSAA. We'll see how far wrong I am on this...
 

TanisHalfElven

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oh boy did this thread go off-topic. why is it that every thread with gstanfor and appopin always end up like this ?
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
The only ones I see whinging are fanatics and ATi sympathisers....
is that Australian?
:Q





something a Dingo does?

I believe it is...but that word is often associated with the English more than anything else...

As for dingo's...well they eat babies IIRC.
 
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