R600 nice read

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I am really looking foward to ATI this round. However, if they come out with a 384 bit bus, neither company is going to get my money. We have been on 256bit bus long enough and moving from 256bit to 384bit bus isn't my thing... So I will not be buying my next card until it features a 512bit bus.

So I am totally hoping that ATI R600 does indeed debut with a 512 bit bus, otherwise I will be waiting for the refresh of either the G80 or R600...

I am budgeting for my next PC build sometime next fall, so I have a year to wait.

awesome ... that is my timeframe also ... however, i won't be ashamed to buy a video card with 'only' a 384 bit GPU

we'll see who can build the more future proof rig for less money
:Q

you 'won' this time

 

[imported_RedStar]

"Our own Fudo was right in a detail " (he got 1 thing right)

Yup. that sums up the inq alright.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
"Our own Fudo was right in a detail " (he got 1 thing right)

Yup. that sums up the inq alright.

it's nearly the AEG/nvidia equivalent of guerilla marketing

you gotta know this leak is from ATi Euro employees ... and they undoubtedly feel duty bound to exaggerate a bit [no doubt after a couple of pints of brew] to steal some of the thunder from nvidia's awesome new card.

 

[Wreckage]

Less shaders and less ROPs than the G80? They are relying entirely on clock rate, which is a fools bet as Intel found out.

Hopefully Inq is wrong (as usual), as this will not compete well with the current G80 let alone a refresh. Not to mention NVIDIA will have several months to tweak the drivers by then.

 

[Munky]

You can't go by numbers of units. The g80 uses scalar ALU's, while the g70 and r580 use vec4 ALU's that can do 4x as much work per cycle. Suffice it to say that if the g80 didnt have those shaders clocked at 1.3ghz but at 650mhz, it would have less raw shader power than the r580.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Less shaders and less ROPs than the G80? They are relying entirely on clock rate, which is a fools bet as Intel found out.

Hopefully Inq is wrong (as usual), as this will not compete well with the current G80 let alone a refresh. Not to mention NVIDIA will have several months to tweak the drivers by then.

from Part Two:

The memory chips are arranged in a similar manner as on the G80, but each memory chip has its own 32-bit wide physical connection to the chip's RingBus memory interface. Memory bandwidth will therefore range from anywhere between 115 (GDDR3 at 8800GTX-style 900MHz in DDR mode - 1.8GHz) and 140.1GB/s (GDDR4 at 1.1GHz DDR, or 2.2GHz in marketingspeak).

on paper it is very impressive ... much more so than G80

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Less shaders and less ROPs than the G80? They are relying entirely on clock rate, which is a fools bet as Intel found out.

Hopefully Inq is wrong (as usual), as this will not compete well with the current G80 let alone a refresh. Not to mention NVIDIA will have several months to tweak the drivers by then.

You missed this part

ATI's R600 features 64 Shader 4-way SIMD units. This is a very different and complex approach compared to Nvidia's relatively simple scalar Shader units.

Since R600 SIMD Shader can calculate the result of four scalar units, it yields with scalar performance of 256 units - while Nvidia comes with 128 "real" scalar units.

 

[moonboy403]

the new G80 will feature 32 pipelines and 16 vertex + geometry Shader

board partners are telling us that it very well might have an external PSU

Both G80 cards, Geforce 8800 GTS and GTX are designed by Asus.

These are some of the things the Inq got from it's "reliable source", so how can anyone ever believe what the Inq says?!

Fuad Abazovic, the author of all these articles, always uses the word "should be" which shows that he's not writing anything concrete to begin with. He's merely giving his own theory. On the other hand, he's got to be the worse writer I've ever seen out of all the articles about hardware I've read.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Less shaders and less ROPs than the G80? They are relying entirely on clock rate, which is a fools bet as Intel found out.

Hopefully Inq is wrong (as usual), as this will not compete well with the current G80 let alone a refresh. Not to mention NVIDIA will have several months to tweak the drivers by then.

You missed this part

ATI's R600 features 64 Shader 4-way SIMD units. This is a very different and complex approach compared to Nvidia's relatively simple scalar Shader units.

Since R600 SIMD Shader can calculate the result of four scalar units, it yields with scalar performance of 256 units - while Nvidia comes with 128 "real" scalar units.

That is because he does not read, he simply skims and then spouts off at the mouth... What else is new? :thumbsdown:

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I am really looking foward to ATI this round. However, if they come out with a 384 bit bus, neither company is going to get my money. We have been on 256bit bus long enough and moving from 256bit to 384bit bus isn't my thing... So I will not be buying my next card until it features a 512bit bus.

So I am totally hoping that ATI R600 does indeed debut with a 512 bit bus, otherwise I will be waiting for the refresh of either the G80 or R600...

I am budgeting for my next PC build sometime next fall, so I have a year to wait.

awesome ... that is my timeframe also ... however, i won't be ashamed to buy a video card with 'only' a 384 bit GPU

we'll see who can build the more future proof rig for less money
:Q

you 'won' this time

How much did your rig cost last update?

In September 05' I paid $1400 for my box listed in my sig. Complete build... I suspect I paid more than you did, but I could be wrong. My system is already showing age :-(... Crysis will likely be the game that I simply do not touch until I have a rig to play it in all its glory.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: moonboy403

the new G80 will feature 32 pipelines and 16 vertex + geometry Shader

board partners are telling us that it very well might have an external PSU

Both G80 cards, Geforce 8800 GTS and GTX are designed by Asus.

These are some of the things the Inq got from it's "reliable source", so how can anyone ever believe what the Inq says?!

Fuad Abazovic, the author of all these articles, always uses the word "should be" which shows that he's not writing anything concrete to begin with. He's merely giving his own theory. On the other hand, he's got to be the worse writer I've ever seen out of all the articles about hardware I've read.

Had you read the article you would have known this one IS NOT FROM FUAD

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I am really looking foward to ATI this round. However, if they come out with a 384 bit bus, neither company is going to get my money. We have been on 256bit bus long enough and moving from 256bit to 384bit bus isn't my thing... So I will not be buying my next card until it features a 512bit bus.

So I am totally hoping that ATI R600 does indeed debut with a 512 bit bus, otherwise I will be waiting for the refresh of either the G80 or R600...

I am budgeting for my next PC build sometime next fall, so I have a year to wait.

awesome ... that is my timeframe also ... however, i won't be ashamed to buy a video card with 'only' a 384 bit GPU

we'll see who can build the more future proof rig for less money
:Q

you 'won' this time

How much did your rig cost last update?

In September 05' I paid $1400 for my box listed in my sig. Complete build... I suspect I paid more than you did, but I could be wrong. My system is already showing age :-(... Crysis will likely be the game that I simply do not touch until I have a rig to play it in all its glory.

you paid a lot more ... but then it is much nicer ... mine is AGP
:Q

January it will be three years old ... the only changes i made were the GPUs [radeon 8500>9800xt>x850xt and finally > x1950p] and i think added a DVD burner.



and to those who say theInq is often wrong ... they are

however

they are much more right about ATi than nvidia

and more right than wrong in future near-releases from ATi
[way more wrong than right about nvidia until close to the date]

 

[imported_RedStar]

here is a better track record of the inq re: g80

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware...ge-G80-Coutesty-B3D-ftopict207584.html

hehe

 

[Cookie Monster]

A 12 layer PCB that is shorter than current 8800GTX PCB?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: RedStar
here is a better track record of the inq re: g80

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware...ge-G80-Coutesty-B3D-ftopict207584.html

hehe

They did get the 2 to 1 ratio right.. just didnt know what the actual numbers were. (ALU:TEX)

 

[Italicized]

How many layers does the G80 have?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Italicized
How many layers does the G80 have?

12.

Funny how they said a 512bit external memory interface, probably with 16 memory chips only use 12 layers, and end up smaller than the 8800GTXs PCB.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Interesting read.

 

[Makaveli]

LOL hooked on phonics didn't work for wreckage

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Less shaders and less ROPs than the G80? They are relying entirely on clock rate, which is a fools bet as Intel found out.

Hopefully Inq is wrong (as usual), as this will not compete well with the current G80 let alone a refresh. Not to mention NVIDIA will have several months to tweak the drivers by then.

You missed this part

ATI's R600 features 64 Shader 4-way SIMD units. This is a very different and complex approach compared to Nvidia's relatively simple scalar Shader units.

Since R600 SIMD Shader can calculate the result of four scalar units, it yields with scalar performance of 256 units - while Nvidia comes with 128 "real" scalar units.

That is because he does not read, he simply skims and then spouts off at the mouth... What else is new? :thumbsdown:

I read both articles just fine. I know all you want is a one-sided debate but that's not what makes a forum. All everyone did was take the "specs" and put their own spin on it. If it was not relying on clock speed it would not need a massive cooler "longer than the card" to cool it. This is the same thing they did with the X1800. A big ole huge cooler to raise the clock speed in order to compete. A G80 refresh with a giant cooler could obtain similar or higher clock speeds.

Either way no actual specs will probably show up until next year, so there is no need for people to get their panties in a bunch over the Inq's oh so reliable "predictions".

 

[Pugnate]

I don't know where you guys come up with some of this crap though. Maybe the inner fanboy takes over? The R600 will come February latest... NVIDIA will NOT be releasing a refresh till maybe 5 months after. They aren't machines, and they certainly won't refresh their flagship next gen card after only two months on the market.

The most we can expect is a price drop.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
I don't know where you guys come up with some of this crap though. Maybe the inner fanboy takes over? The R600 will come February latest... NVIDIA will NOT be releasing a refresh till maybe 5 months after. They aren't machines, and they certainly won't refresh their flagship next gen card after only two months on the market.

The most we can expect is a price drop.

The thing is that nVIDIA is preparing a total of nine G80 SKUs. 5 of them are found in the drivers i think.

According to the sources (digitlife if memory serves me right), most of these products are using 80nm.

By the time R600 is released, nVIDIA is probably going to prepare the release of its midrange/low range also. Since the G80 can scale up to 1.5ghz (shader clock) and use GDDR4, they could also counter R600 if there is need. No need for refresh but use the best for their 8800ultra if theres need. (similiar to 7800GTX 512mb)

 

[otispunkmeyer]

512bit memory and 1024bit internal ring bus.... holy moly!

 

[josh6079]

Nvidia is not going to release a card that bests the G80 when R600 launches. If anything the prices will be in the G80's favor as well as better drivers.

The R600 will be able to outperform it, but will come more expensive, and have worse drivers. ATi can't even release quality ones for the flagship products they've had on the market for months, the R600 won't be any different.

The G80 refreshes will come months after the R600, so the launch of the R600 might prove to be a good time to invest in an EVGA G80, even if it doesn't perform as well.

At least, those are my feelings on the issue.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

and lol @ a bug that disables MSAA