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Yeah, right, you must do that a lot. Perhaps you should put a winkie icon at the end of such statments so we can seperate when you are joking from when you aren't.

Personally I think you meant it when you said it, if for no other reason then to piss people off and stir the pot (trolling) but after me advertising in my sig it you want to pass it off as an attempt at satire. I'm not buying it.

Oh I'm not joking or trolling in the least.
Read some of my posts in the religion threads, I dive into this same rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out the futility of any pro-human-rights [this isn't really the word I'm looking for] policies that the liberals often clamor for.
I am pointing out their inconsistency. Not trolling-- that it elicits extremely angry responses, is not my fault (it is, in fact, part of the proof that I have struck too close to home).

I'll take an easy one-- welfare. In the liberal worldview, if there is no God, why does it matter if humans survive? Why does it matter if we take care of them? The universe does not care whether poor live or die. They can argue "I care that we take care of them" but they cannot logically argue "you should care that we take care of them". While they cannot logically argue for the necessity of human survival, they insist its importance and force their implementation of how to enhance it [welfare assisting the poor's survival] on others, with their vote. If they would be consistent with themselves they would have to say "absolute morality does not exist. I may believe it is important for these people to survive, but in my worldview, I cannot rationally appeal to an authority [because in the liberal worldview, there is none] that makes the value of a human life imperative."

This is a complex argument that few grasp, further this futility of existence [because there is no absolute morality] is usually too cognitively dissonant and thus most just reply with flames like "your retarded". Others misunderstand and prove my point and say "morality doesn't have to be absolute" (in such a case if it's decided by the majority, then there's no reason why I should also believe what the "liberal" majority [if there is one] says, other than "because there are more of them and they are the majority"-- majority is not a sufficient authority claim for decisions of morality-- see: "Appeal to Majority" fallacy).
 

Zstream

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Oct 24, 2005
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The ignore feature of this new site software works great.

You don't even see the Bullshit posted by the worst ilk once you banish them.

You are your own ultimate Moderator.

Good call, I will start ignoring you.
 

ebaycj

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Mar 9, 2002
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Oh I'm not joking or trolling in the least.
Read some of my posts in the religion threads, I dive into this same rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out the futility of any pro-human-rights [this isn't really the word I'm looking for] policies that the liberals often clamor for.
I am pointing out their inconsistency. Not trolling-- that it elicits extremely angry responses, is not my fault (it is, in fact, part of the proof that I have struck too close to home).

I'll take an easy one-- welfare. In the liberal worldview, if there is no God, why does it matter if humans survive? Why does it matter if we take care of them? The universe does not care whether poor live or die. They can argue "I care that we take care of them" but they cannot logically argue "you should care that we take care of them". While they cannot logically argue for the necessity of human survival, they insist its importance and force their implementation of how to enhance it [welfare assisting the poor's survival] on others, with their vote. If they would be consistent with themselves they would have to say "absolute morality does not exist. I may believe it is important for these people to survive, but in my worldview, I cannot rationally appeal to an authority [because in the liberal worldview, there is none] that makes the value of a human life imperative."

This is a complex argument that few grasp, further this futility of existence [because there is no absolute morality] is usually too cognitively dissonant and thus most just reply with flames like "your retarded". Others misunderstand and prove my point and say "morality doesn't have to be absolute" (in such a case if it's decided by the majority, then there's no reason why I should also believe what the "liberal" majority [if there is one] says, other than "because there are more of them and they are the majority"-- majority is not a sufficient authority claim for decisions of morality-- see: "Appeal to Majority" fallacy).

Hearing you desperately trying to logically justify your religion to yourself is always good for a laugh.
 

spittledip

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Apr 23, 2005
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This is a complex argument that few grasp, further this futility of existence [because there is no absolute morality] is usually too cognitively dissonant and thus most just reply with flames like "your retarded". Others misunderstand and prove my point and say "morality doesn't have to be absolute" (in such a case if it's decided by the majority, then there's no reason why I should also believe what the "liberal" majority [if there is one] says, other than "because there are more of them and they are the majority"-- majority is not a sufficient authority claim for decisions of morality-- see: "Appeal to Majority" fallacy).

Hearing you desperately trying to logically justify your religion to yourself is always good for a laugh.

Haha, you must be a prophet or something, SBT. BTW, SBT is absolutely correct in this. However, I find it cognitively dissonant that people who believe in God would not want to support health care access for all people and other forms of aid from the govt. For those that the churches are unable to offer support (millions of people), there needs to be structures in place to ensure that their needs are met.
 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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Reading a thread on Howard Zinn, I am getting more and more disturbed about the rage and hate expressed in this forum.

Are people legitimately thinking about the issues, or are the AnandTech forums more of a punching bag for people to work out their personal issues?

On the flip side, maybe it is good that we know where people in America stand. I think people write things here that they would not say in public.

For example, this was written in a recent thread:



Perhaps here in P&N, the true nature of where we stand as a nation is revealed: widespread racism, distrust & open hatred of fellow citizens, disdain for the less fortunate.

Is this the kind of nation we want? The kind of legacy we want to pass to the next generation?

You're right, ban the rightie instigators, love and enlightenment will flourish as never before.
 

nobodyknows

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Sep 28, 2008
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Oh I'm not joking or trolling in the least.
Read some of my posts in the religion threads, I dive into this same rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out the futility of any pro-human-rights [this isn't really the word I'm looking for] policies that the liberals often clamor for.
I am pointing out their inconsistency. Not trolling-- that it elicits extremely angry responses, is not my fault (it is, in fact, part of the proof that I have struck too close to home).

I'll take an easy one-- welfare. In the liberal worldview, if there is no God, why does it matter if humans survive? Why does it matter if we take care of them? The universe does not care whether poor live or die. They can argue "I care that we take care of them" but they cannot logically argue "you should care that we take care of them". While they cannot logically argue for the necessity of human survival, they insist its importance and force their implementation of how to enhance it [welfare assisting the poor's survival] on others, with their vote. If they would be consistent with themselves they would have to say "absolute morality does not exist. I may believe it is important for these people to survive, but in my worldview, I cannot rationally appeal to an authority [because in the liberal worldview, there is none] that makes the value of a human life imperative."

This is a complex argument that few grasp, further this futility of existence [because there is no absolute morality] is usually too cognitively dissonant and thus most just reply with flames like "your retarded". Others misunderstand and prove my point and say "morality doesn't have to be absolute" (in such a case if it's decided by the majority, then there's no reason why I should also believe what the "liberal" majority [if there is one] says, other than "because there are more of them and they are the majority"-- majority is not a sufficient authority claim for decisions of morality-- see: "Appeal to Majority" fallacy).

You certainly have yourself fooled. Only around 5 to 10% of Americans are true atheists, and I somehow doubt that they are all "liberals". I guess in your world view all gays must be "liberal" also?

I personally believe in God, but not the god described in books that were written by human hand, but a God that will someday sit in judgment of my eternal soul.
 

daniel49

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Jan 8, 2005
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The US as a whole nation took me seriously enough to let me lead the initial invasion in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

I do take myself and what i do very seriously, i'm not a clown like you, what i do actually makes a difference.

Was there anything else that you wanted to say or is this it? I don't have the time to spend on clowns unless you can juggle...

Can you juggle? If you can't then what good are you? Just another clown thinking that if he acts as big as his imaginary dick he will be ok... boring the living daylights out of me.

not to minimize your service but I can only assume you must have been attached to a US unit then? Deaths
Iraq
US= 4375.. UK= 179 .. Rest=139 .. Total-4693



Afghan
US- 976.. UK= 251.. Other-384.. Total-1611

And now that US forces are heading to afghanistan from Iraq Europes numbers will be equally small there.
However compared to the rest of Europe you do pretty well.
 
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BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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This.

Pretty much half the white people in this country can't stand a black man as President.

Until a blue eyed white man from Arkansas is President again politics in this country more closely resembles the MMA

and I'm thru with it, I can't take it seriously anymore.

 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Reading a thread on Howard Zinn, I am getting more and more disturbed about the rage and hate expressed in this forum.

Are people legitimately thinking about the issues, or are the AnandTech forums more of a punching bag for people to work out their personal issues?

On the flip side, maybe it is good that we know where people in America stand. I think people write things here that they would not say in public.

For example, this was written in a recent thread:



Perhaps here in P&N, the true nature of where we stand as a nation is revealed: widespread racism, distrust & open hatred of fellow citizens, disdain for the less fortunate.

Is this the kind of nation we want? The kind of legacy we want to pass to the next generation?

There are many really important things that can be said to you. Now that you have had a reaction to your comments and seen where they will trend I'm going to mention a few of them:

"I am getting more and more disturbed about the rage and hate expressed in this forum."

M: That rage has always been in people. It surfaces when people are brought near to feeling how they feel. Insults, being told you are worthless, do exactly that because it is how we were all made to feel. It is a delusion and a lie that we live when we pretend we are civilized. Our actual condition is one of self hate. What has happened, in not that the forum has gone down hill or that people are degenerating, but that both you and or they have simply come closer to feeling what you and or they actually do feel.

We have found, for example, that the testosterone levels of Republican men have gone down after the election of Obama, just as happens to men when a team they support loses. They have attached their self worth, having none for themselves, to a team and shine when it does and feel worthless when it loses.

"Are people legitimately thinking about the issues, or are the AnandTech forums more of a punching bag for people to work out their personal issues?"

Personal issues, of course, but personal issues to the person always look like real issues, no?

"On the flip side, maybe it is good that we know where people in America stand. I think people write things here that they would not say in public.

Perhaps here in P&N, the true nature of where we stand as a nation is revealed: widespread racism, distrust & open hatred of fellow citizens, disdain for the less fortunate."

M: Indeed, but if you understand that people hate themselves you will not need the validation.

"Is this the kind of nation we want? The kind of legacy we want to pass to the next generation?"

M: It is very important that you understand this is the wrong question. It is not a matter of what we want. We can want anything. The real question is, if you do not want this, how can that be achieved. The real question is, "How to you cure people of self hate they don't even know they have, and the answer is that you can't. You can only do one thing in all this world, and there is only one thing you need to do and that is cure yourself of your own self hate.

When you begin to see that you will not face even the remote possibility that you hate yourself, you will see the magnitude of the problem.
 

Carmen813

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Everyone on this forum needs to read the books 1984 and Jennifer Government. Hell, it should be a requirement for posting. As for the rest, see sig. We're all human, sometimes our emotions get the better of us. Live and let live.

*Edit*: Just wanted to add that everything you see people post on the forum publicly isn't always how they are privately. Even on this forum I've been surprised by the amount of PMs I receive from people who almost never agree with me politically offering some words of support or understanding.
 
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sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Everyone on this forum needs to read the books 1984 and Jennifer Government. Hell, it should be a requirement for posting. As for the rest, see sig. We're all human, sometimes our emotions get the better of us. Live and let live.

*Edit*: Just wanted to add that everything you see people post on the forum publicly isn't always how they are privately. Even on this forum I've been surprised by the amount of PMs I receive from people who almost never agree with me politically offering some words of support or understanding.

Definitely. I avoid these issues IRL like the plague. My Bro who lives in the US thinks Palin is the real deal. I just tell him that I really don't think she has anything worth being excited about and leave it at that.
 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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Even on this forum I've been surprised by the amount of PMs I receive from people who almost never agree with me politically offering some words of support or understanding.
That is because behind the bluster we are all human and by definition agree on many things. This is why I could call a person the reincarnation of Lucifer and should die (not that I would unless it was true!) and then in actual fact that we hold similar views on the best way to strengthen a boat's hull with fiberglass and wouldn't you know it I don't hate that person so much after all.

It's so cliche to quote the Lincoln but “I don't like that man. I must get to know him better.”
 

BudAshes

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Oh I'm not joking or trolling in the least.
Read some of my posts in the religion threads, I dive into this same rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out the futility of any pro-human-rights [this isn't really the word I'm looking for] policies that the liberals often clamor for.
I am pointing out their inconsistency. Not trolling-- that it elicits extremely angry responses, is not my fault (it is, in fact, part of the proof that I have struck too close to home).

I'll take an easy one-- welfare. In the liberal worldview, if there is no God, why does it matter if humans survive? Why does it matter if we take care of them? The universe does not care whether poor live or die. They can argue "I care that we take care of them" but they cannot logically argue "you should care that we take care of them". While they cannot logically argue for the necessity of human survival, they insist its importance and force their implementation of how to enhance it [welfare assisting the poor's survival] on others, with their vote. If they would be consistent with themselves they would have to say "absolute morality does not exist. I may believe it is important for these people to survive, but in my worldview, I cannot rationally appeal to an authority [because in the liberal worldview, there is none] that makes the value of a human life imperative."

This is a complex argument that few grasp, further this futility of existence [because there is no absolute morality] is usually too cognitively dissonant and thus most just reply with flames like "your retarded". Others misunderstand and prove my point and say "morality doesn't have to be absolute" (in such a case if it's decided by the majority, then there's no reason why I should also believe what the "liberal" majority [if there is one] says, other than "because there are more of them and they are the majority"-- majority is not a sufficient authority claim for decisions of morality-- see: "Appeal to Majority" fallacy).

Welfare is around to keep a first world country from devolving into chaos. We can afford to keep our poor out of poverty so we do. It costs more in the long run to not share the wealth. Nice try smart guy.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Reading a thread on Howard Zinn, I am getting more and more disturbed about the rage and hate expressed in this forum.

Are people legitimately thinking about the issues, or are the AnandTech forums more of a punching bag for people to work out their personal issues?

On the flip side, maybe it is good that we know where people in America stand. I think people write things here that they would not say in public.

For example, this was written in a recent thread:



Perhaps here in P&N, the true nature of where we stand as a nation is revealed: widespread racism, distrust & open hatred of fellow citizens, disdain for the less fortunate.

Is this the kind of nation we want? The kind of legacy we want to pass to the next generation?

For some reason, the incident with the pope calling the muslims violent comes to mind.
 

SparkyJJO

Lifer
May 16, 2002
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Welfare is around to keep a first world country from devolving into chaos. We can afford to keep our poor out of poverty so we do. It costs more in the long run to not share the wealth. Nice try smart guy.

By stealing from those who have?

There are people who are in rough times and can't seem to get themselves out of the pothole very well. That happens. And it sucks. They do need help.

HOWEVER, there are people who are in those potholes because they dug it for themselves. And giving them handouts just lets them sit in that pothole. Hear of it all the time, some crackhead on the street getting paid by the government with the hard-earned money of other people so he can sit on the street smoking pot and snorting crack.

There are charities and such to help those in need. We don't need some big government stealing from those who have something and giving it willy-nilly to those who don't, because all too often those who don't deserve a thing get stuff.

Of course, you need people to be willing to give and help out others. There is the whole religious aspect to this too - "love your neighbor as yourself" for example. But in today's society, most people are all about "me me me" and don't care about others. The liberal left comes across as trying to sound compassionate, but they aren't - they are just creating class warfare and coming out on top. They're up there getting rich over stealing from those who work for it, then pass on a small percentage to get handed to whoever.
 
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