Ranting about antiwar protests

[MasterSamwise]

Hmm

War with IRAQ is a bad idea.

I'm sixteen and I can see what its really about. OIL. (Oh, and and GEORGE W's personal vendetta) Nothing more nothing less.

If this war starts. We will have started it.

And don't use some pathetic excuse about protecting our freedom.. We could crush SADAMM like a bug. And we are about to do just that. (For freedom? Which is all well and good because we already have it?)For very real very selfish reasons. Chances of him using his weapons go up.. when we are the agressors.

I seriously doubt this will be a UN action. I respect the sacrafices of the U.S. millitary services, but when and why is this nessecary? For OIL?... the great impact it will have on our economy? How bout WAR? and the great impact it will have?

Just MY 2 cents.

Not endoctrinated. Elightened. And very oppininated.

Master Samwise

Don't take this as an attack, after all.. it's just my opinion.

 

[DigDug]

I'm curious as to how the preemptive strike by the US will itself not violate the Vienna convention's use of force provisions. And if that is the case, why is the US trying to use Geneva convention violations by Iraq as a justification to go to war?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

By the way, the local liberal radio hosts in San Francisco were up in arms about the school teach-in's one sided approach to truth and war. They went on and on about education being a dialogue that requires looking a all sides of an issue. That's what creates liberals in the first place.

LOL. So your definition of looking at all sides of an issue and being a liberal includes suggesting that someone you don't agree with set themselves on fire?

Hehehe, makes perfect sense! I think Moonie was drawing attention to Blues invoking of the 60's Antiwar protest/ProWar situation, so no, he does not advocate people who disagrees with him to burn!

1. Don't try to insult anyone's intelligence here by claiming that you do any thinking. It is very clear from the things you post here that you do very little thinking.

2. Moonbeam is more than capable of answering the questions directed to him.

Ouch! Responding to me must be too easy then?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
I'm curious as to how the preemptive strike by the US will itself not violate the Vienna convention's use of force provisions. And if that is the case, why is the US trying to use Geneva convention violations by Iraq as a justification to go to war?

sigh, Blip, this is NOT a new war. This is only a continuation of the Gulf War.

Iraq signed an agreement that they would disarm. If they don't do that in a verifiable way according to UN resolution 687 then they are in violation of that cease-fire agreement.

Try doing a little reading on the subject please.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

OK, you've convinced me

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Czar
this is just funny, link

I watched that rally on C-Span(the Pro-War rally), that picture about sums it up. There was more Press than Protest. The rally was actually quite dull until some Iraqi-American protestors showed up with 50ish+ members.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

OK, you've convinced me

There is nothing that can be done to convince some people. I assure you that I wasn't trying to convince you of anything Red. I've read enough of your posts to recognize the futility of that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

OK, you've convinced me

There is nothing that can be done to convince some people. I assure you that I wasn't trying to convince you of anything Red. I've read enough of your posts to recognize the futility of that.

Then your post was more of a self affirming exercise right?

 

[Moonbeam]

I was drawing attention to Blues invoking of the 60's Antiwar protest/ProWar situation, so no, I don't advocate people who disagree with me to burn!

I was merely pointing out to him another facet of what Don Vito had, that he has not only the means to actually do something himself, like joining the military, but alternatively to do something equivalently passionate to demonstrate his commitment. In short I was telling him in different words that he's a blow-hard.

An education that exposes a person to a broad range of ideas and thinking is called a conservative education, right? Oh wait, it's called a liberal education, sorry.

 

[etech]

Red,

Then your post was more of a self affirming exercise right?

I only said that I wan't trying to convince you. You are not the only person that reads these boards.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, but Red is one of a very few people here who ever changes his mind.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
Some people ar just plain stupid (the ones that want to go to war that is).

Iraq MIGHT have WMDs - Lets go to war with them!
Nort Korea poudly claims to have WMDs - Lets go to war with Iraq!!!

Iraq has oil, NK does not.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I was drawing attention to Blues invoking of the 60's Antiwar protest/ProWar situation, so no, I don't advocate people who disagree with me to burn!

I was merely pointing out to him another facet of what Don Vito had, that he has not only the means to actually do something himself, like joining the military, but alternatively to do something equivalently passionate to demonstrate his commitment. In short I was telling him in different words that he's a blow-hard.

An education that exposes a person to a broad range of ideas and thinking is called a conservative education, right? Oh wait, it's called a liberal education, sorry.

Well let me put it to you the only way I know how without all the unimpressive BS that you like to add. You're as big a blowhard as anyone who comes on this board. Calling someone else that takes you to a new level of hypocrisy. As to your definition of liberal education it is normally defined as being based on or relating to the traditional arts and sciences. The broad range of ideas and thinking that you think pertain strictly to this sort of education rely solely on the professors willingness to present a broad range of ideas and the students willingness and ability to comprehend them. As someone who has attended several colleges and universities in the past dozen years and is currently doing graduate work it is my OPINION that both parties are woefully lacking in either willingness or ability.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dave, I see you've stumbled on an important truth. The so called wise men are fools.

In other words, we share an OPINION.

You may have noticed, though, in your long life, however, if I may put it in my customarily unimpressive BS manner, that despite the unshakable opinion that yours, and in my case my view on the woefully lacking breathed and depth of teachers and students, the mere observation of that fact has very little effect of remediating that sad lack. I have noticed, more than once if I may say so, that the way you handle this rather frustrating situation is to scream, shout, and insult. Perhaps in my youthful naivete, I still seek a different course of action. It could be that some of what you refer to as my hipocritical hard-blowing is in fact there not as a reflection of my deep faith in the absurd, at least as you may see it, but there to reflect, well, something else.

There are many forms of reflection.

 

[etech]

I have this urge to go dumpster diving into the old threads moonie.

You sling it with the best of em.

 

[911paramedic]

I want to protest all these protests.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

In western history, the conservative (by current definitions) side of major issues have always been wrong.
eg in recent US history: slavery, civil rights, conservation, women's rights. Why do you think conservatives spout meaningless insults like calling them "bleeding hearts"?

This has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans btw. I can agree with Rs on one issue today... abortion.

 

[flashbacck]

What I have heard is a bunch of BS from either side of this issue, you know, people calling each other War Mongers or Draft Dodgers. Of course all they've convinced me of is the fact that they are Morons.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

etech, there are MANY forms of reflection, MANY.

 

[etech]

Moonie, there are also many forms of BS. What's your point?

 

[etech]

Take a look at the title to this story from the BBC. I think it is misleading.

US braced for huge anti-war protests

The US is not braced for anti-war protests but doesn't that make them sound so much more important than just stating the truth. A very very small percentage of the US population is holding anti-war protests?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.

Just for fun. A specific example of your allegations.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.

I wouldn't say that though I'm a little disappointed that he's fallen into that bad Limbaughtitsta habit of calling someone you don't agree with a "Liberal" in this thread.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I agree that the US was wrong to be there (in vietnam). I would have been against it too but would have gone if my nation called upon me.. I would have maybe even gone to college or whatever to delay that but I couldnt live the rest of my life knowing that i moved to canada or something like that to avoid a call to duty. But for me thats a personal pride issue and probably a flaw.

I dont think its being one of the 'flock' to follow your leader, you percieve it that way. Some people 'flock' to this leader or that leader but then who ISN'T a member of some flock? Basically like everyone knows, if you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything and this is one of the times when its hard to stand up.

As far as balls and brains, I will admit I have always looked up to my grandpa for what he did in WW2.
To the gentleman who commented on my 'jewish media' reference.. I am not antisemetic if it came across that way but alot of media companies are owned by jewish people. I know disney is and probably cnn and others, and thats ok but the point being that most jewish people, conservative and liberal are going to be for this war. I have some good jewish friends myself.
My view is the arabs have been bombing israel and targeting women and children, much like they did on 9/11.. israel does not go around attacking non military installations. Thats why I'm for israel.. they shouldnt have to live in fear and neither should we.
But honestly I dont think that this 'war' has any chance of being quelled by some naked hippys spelling out NO WAR on the side of a mountain. The 60s are over and there is no unjust war. They just found nuclear warheads in Iraq, but I promise you if they found 20,000 nuclear weapons in Iraq that people would still protest in mass numbers, again proving its simply because its Bush and its a republican initiative.. which seems to be the only party these days with initiative at all.

Did you mean to say this?