Ranting about antiwar protests

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.

I wouldn't say that though I'm a little disappointed that he's fallen into that bad Limbaughtitsta habit of calling someone you don't agree with a "Liberal" in this thread.

Red, where did I do that and who did I call a liberal?

 

[Tab]

This thread went from the civilized discussion of the Iraq Issuse, to personall Insults against each other. Great, this is turning into another phucking gawddamn flame thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

You're right Tabb, we were discussing doing a protest in favor of war. I simply forgot what civilized means. Carry on.

 

[ebloom]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: coolVariable
Some people ar just plain stupid (the ones that want to go to war that is).

Iraq MIGHT have WMDs - Lets go to war with them!
Nort Korea poudly claims to have WMDs - Lets go to war with Iraq!!!

Iraq has oil, NK does not.

NK has nukes and is willing to use them. Iraq currently does not.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
What kind of fvcktard starts a rally in favor of war???? Jesus tap dancin' Christ

Hitler

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I dont know how many of you have been reading about the protests that have been going on against the war but I am going to be organizing counter protests in my area that are pro war. Its time those of us who despise draft dodgers from the vietnam era and the weak ones who are afraid to do what we have to do now hear our voice. Sad thing is these days the popular opinion is against me (which is ok with me), honor, chivalry, and duty to ones nation is dead in our country.

Its also said that the media is ignoring these protests, and for good reason.. alot of the media is jewish owned, this war will get all support from liberal jews, conservative jews, all other conservatives.. the only ones left out will be the liberal whites who want to protest everything for mostly political hatred of their enemies initiatives and ideas or fear of sending their children off to battle.
Most of their children are scared, but I'm 21 years old and think the war and draft is a good thing. In fact I think from age 18-20 in this country mandatory military service should be required!! Mostly for a wake up call so we respect our freedom and how important it is to maintain.

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

So counter protest the protesters if you have the motivation!

I'm disturbed a great deal by this whole post, I'll return later tonight to respond tho.. oh it'll be good.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
What kind of fvcktard starts a rally in favor of war???? Jesus tap dancin' Christ

A BIG fvcktard? I dunno you have got me on that one. Who would hawk at a pro-war rally?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: etech

Damn bleeding hearts and their looking at both sides of an issue! Not to mention their history education. Damn colleges teaching history to our kids and making them liberal!!

From what I have seen, it is the people that take the time to research both sides and fully understand the context and history of past actions that are less likely to be "liberal".

If you were a Liberal I believe you'd say the opposite. SInce you are a staright Forward Cinservative we can only take your above statment in that context.

If I were a liberal and did the research that I have, I wouldn't be a liberal anymore. I think I have only seen one liberal on this board that actually has a solid grasp of history and world events.

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.

Just for fun. A specific example of your allegations.

What allegations? This was an example of how easy it is to make the same sweeping generalizations about conservatives as you make about "liberals" (ie: anyone who doesn't agree with you).

 

[etech]

I've seen 1 or 2 conservatives on this board that are open-minded, rational, unprejudiced, and independent thinkers with a solid grasp on world events.

You weren't one of them.
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Just for fun. A specific example of your allegations.
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What allegations? This was an example of how easy it is to make the same sweeping generalizations about conservatives as you make about "liberals" (ie: anyone who doesn't agree with you).

No, you are alleging that I am not open-minded, not rational, not independent thinging and worst of all you accuse me of being prejudiced.
I requested proof of those allegations of yours about me. Either you can provide documentation or you can't and were just making those claims up out of thin air.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

My posts are being construed into something they are not.. I most definitly did NOT say the media is owned by jews entirely (also did not exhibit and form of antisemitism as you wish i had done to try to defame me), I also did not call all liberals 'draft dodgers'. i was referring to the real draft dodgers and the mulititudes we'd have again if they did reinstate the draft.
If you would like to sit down and re read my posts go ahead. I didnt resort to that kind of juvenile behavior. I put my ideas down, which SHOULDNT raise an attitude from you liberals like it has, because theres nothing offensive other than opposite ideas other than your own.

I'm very liberal in many ways but won't vote for one because they seem very hateful.. their fans show enough, Alec Baldwin is my typical example of a weak spined liberal. And some comments by Daschle when Bush got elected showed alot of anger and a real intolerance for anything but other liberals.

That is exactly why I consider myself enlightened like the meaning and supposed liberals are supposed to be (such as the ideas Martin Luther King Jr. wrote on liberalism, which i very much enjoy thank you), yet find they are very intolerant of anyone or anyone else's ideas other than their own. But liberals like the ones on this board seem very hatefilled towards people like me, its almost like if you stand for something they hate you or gang up on you to try to humiliate you and quell your voice. But seems to me that they are against anything a 'conservative' or republican or bush stands for..
I lived thru reagon, bush, clinton, and bush jr and found clinton to be a worthless example of a human being. Reagan on the other hand stood for something, did something, made mistakes (cuz people who actually do things mess up) and was great while i remember clinton piping on SNL on his saxaphone (he was not much more than an actor, probably why his biggest fans are fakes like alec baldwin).
Bush Sr/Jr arent as good as Reagan but at least they arent giving weapons to china like clinton did or selling us out in many other ways like renting out the lincoln bedroom. Or when they got caught stealing things from the whitehouse, and liberals defended that kind of behavior, clinton is the worst thing to happen to the democratic party ever. Yet he is a sign of the times.

Thats one thing you can trust most of us conservatives on, we will not sell our people out (as much)!
When this nation does fall, I'd like to see the part that is made of up people like me, versus the part that is made of of liberals.. probably have no electricity like your liberal california.. sit in the dark until they suck up to the rest of us so they can learn how to survive.

Heres something else you can stew over, you can thank your 90s economy to reagon. As if clinton knew the secret to making an immediate economy boost in 1 year.. right, this country is too big to be influenced by simply placing in a new president. I watched the stock market tumble the last 6months of clintons presidency anyway.. so where was his great liberal economics team then? And yes, the stock market was the liberals favorite way to judge the economy in the 90s.

I noticed theres some conversation on higher level education. I am a college student and see the brainwash most professors shove down our throats, most kids my age arent as opinionated so they take it.
most high school teachers are also liberal, i remember in debate class the teacher would get so mad at me over a simple discussion on politics, finally she'd blow up and say "why dont you go to college, get educated, THEN come back and talk with me".. well ma'am.. I almost have a degree in MIS and still dont realize why she connected getting "college educated" with political theory? For gods sake she had a teaching degree with a minor in religon, how did that help her realize the truth to political enlighteness? Maybe because thats where she learned her indoctrination that she tried to shove down my and everyone elses throats.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I dont know how many of you have been reading about the protests that have been going on against the war but I am going to be organizing counter protests in my area that are pro war. Its time those of us who despise draft dodgers from the vietnam era and the weak ones who are afraid to do what we have to do now hear our voice. Sad thing is these days the popular opinion is against me (which is ok with me), honor, chivalry, and duty to ones nation is dead in our country.

Its also said that the media is ignoring these protests, and for good reason.. alot of the media is jewish owned, this war will get all support from liberal jews, conservative jews, all other conservatives.. the only ones left out will be the liberal whites who want to protest everything for mostly political hatred of their enemies initiatives and ideas or fear of sending their children off to battle.
Most of their children are scared, but I'm 21 years old and think the war and draft is a good thing. In fact I think from age 18-20 in this country mandatory military service should be required!! Mostly for a wake up call so we respect our freedom and how important it is to maintain.

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

So counter protest the protesters if you have the motivation!

Yeah, we need to kill as many Iraqi's as possible to protect our freedoms. The threat is bigger than that of the commie's.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
My posts are being construed into something they are not.. I most definitly did NOT say the media is owned by jews entirely (also did not exhibit and form of antisemitism as you wish i had done to try to defame me), I also did not call all liberals 'draft dodgers'. i was referring to the real draft dodgers and the mulititudes we'd have again if they did reinstate the draft.
If you would like to sit down and re read my posts go ahead. I didnt resort to that kind of juvenile behavior. I put my ideas down, which SHOULDNT raise an attitude from you liberals like it has, because theres nothing offensive other than opposite ideas other than your own.

I'm very liberal in many ways but won't vote for one because they seem very hateful.. their fans show enough, Alec Baldwin is my typical example of a weak spined liberal. And some comments by Daschle when Bush got elected showed alot of anger and a real intolerance for anything but other liberals.

That is exactly why I consider myself enlightened like the meaning and supposed liberals are supposed to be (such as the ideas Martin Luther King Jr. wrote on liberalism, which i very much enjoy thank you), yet find they are very intolerant of anyone or anyone else's ideas other than their own. But liberals like the ones on this board seem very hatefilled towards people like me, its almost like if you stand for something they hate you or gang up on you to try to humiliate you and quell your voice. But seems to me that they are against anything a 'conservative' or republican or bush stands for..
I lived thru reagon, bush, clinton, and bush jr and found clinton to be a worthless example of a human being. Reagan on the other hand stood for something, did something, made mistakes (cuz people who actually do things mess up) and was great while i remember clinton piping on SNL on his saxaphone (he was not much more than an actor, probably why his biggest fans are fakes like alec baldwin).
Bush Sr/Jr arent as good as Reagan but at least they arent giving weapons to china like clinton did or selling us out in many other ways like renting out the lincoln bedroom. Or when they got caught stealing things from the whitehouse, and liberals defended that kind of behavior, clinton is the worst thing to happen to the democratic party ever. Yet he is a sign of the times.

Thats one thing you can trust most of us conservatives on, we will not sell our people out (as much)!
When this nation does fall, I'd like to see the part that is made of up people like me, versus the part that is made of of liberals.. probably have no electricity like your liberal california.. sit in the dark until they suck up to the rest of us so they can learn how to survive.

Heres something else you can stew over, you can thank your 90s economy to reagon. As if clinton knew the secret to making an immediate economy boost in 1 year.. right, this country is too big to be influenced by simply placing in a new president. I watched the stock market tumble the last 6months of clintons presidency anyway.. so where was his great liberal economics team then? And yes, the stock market was the liberals favorite way to judge the economy in the 90s.

I noticed theres some conversation on higher level education. I am a college student and see the brainwash most professors shove down our throats, most kids my age arent as opinionated so they take it.
most high school teachers are also liberal, i remember in debate class the teacher would get so mad at me over a simple discussion on politics, finally she'd blow up and say "why dont you go to college, get educated, THEN come back and talk with me".. well ma'am.. I almost have a degree in MIS and still dont realize why she connected getting "college educated" with political theory? For gods sake she had a teaching degree with a minor in religon, how did that help her realize the truth to political enlighteness? Maybe because thats where she learned her indoctrination that she tried to shove down my and everyone elses throats.

LOL Well that rant did wonders for your credibility

Consider this, if Iraq does have WMD's, especially Nuclear weapons, how hard do you think it will be for an Islamic Terrorist group to get their hands on one after the War has been prosecuted there? The current Iraqi Government is Secular while the majority of it's population are Shiite Islamic Fundamentalists. Bin Laden and Hussien are not friendly, they are deadly enemies.I seriously doubt that Hussien would want his sworn enemy in the Muslim world to have possesion of such devices. On the other hand the Shiite Population have the same religious beliefs as Al Qeada and would more than likely support them before they would support a Puppet Government installed by Western "Infidels" Undoubtedly large tracts of Iraq will fall into Anarchy after Hussien falls and without any type of Military there to oversee the destruction or even the accounting of these weapons we won't even know who has what. If the inspectors can't find them now what the hell makes you think we will find them after all hells been unleashed there.

Edit: This isn't going to be a Turkey Shoot like the Gulf War was. The time to take care of Hussien was back then. Our decision not to take him out back then was a horrible mistake, one that will have far reaching negative consequences. The short sightedness of our leaders and the world back then might have already sealed the fate of the world. To even come close to rectifying that mistake we are going to have to send Occupation Troops in there like we did with Japan and Germany after WW2. Not only is this going to be monumentally expensive but nearly impossible to pull off.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

After some concise, what I thought were pretty good posts getting responses that sounded like a pre teen rebuttal, I gave up on trying to impress you ridiculous liberals. Everything in my last post is the truth and no one seemed to argue with it so it must be golden.
Thought I might as well fan the flame because you guys have no tolerance for anyone elses ideas. So credibility in this forum doesnt mean jack to me. I know what I believe in and theres no way I'm turning my back on whats right. I'd rather die than live like most of you do. When your raised to respect and honor women, your family and your nation you think of those things first rather than where your going to protest or hide if anything does happen.

I hope you can take back your comment on my credibility because I find it disgusting that you assume I would be interested in your guys approval.

 

[fluxquantum]

i love how some of you generalize and claim that all anti-war people are liberal, hippie, tree-hugging, draft dodgers or whatever term used to describe them. my grandfather fought in WW2 and my dad fought in vietnam. both oppose this possible war with iraq.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
...I find it disgusting that you assume I would be interested in your guys approval.

Me thinks the young ranter doeth protest too much. If you were so unintersted in others' opinions or approval, you could always go away and ignore it instead of spending so many words to tell us how much you don't care. :Q

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
After some concise, what I thought were pretty good posts getting responses that sounded like a pre teen rebuttal, I gave up on trying to impress you ridiculous liberals. Everything in my last post is the truth and no one seemed to argue with it so it must be golden.
Thought I might as well fan the flame because you guys have no tolerance for anyone elses ideas. So credibility in this forum doesnt mean jack to me. I know what I believe in and theres no way I'm turning my back on whats right. I'd rather die than live like most of you do. When your raised to respect and honor women, your family and your nation you think of those things first rather than where your going to protest or hide if anything does happen.

I hope you can take back your comment on my credibility because I find it disgusting that you assume I would be interested in your guys approval.

Who's protesting? I'm not protesting anything. I also don't consider myself a Liberal. What I'm not is a mindless sheep who never questions his government when it's about to embark and a War that will have far reaching consequences. Frankly I doubt that if this was the Clinton Adminstration who was preparing to launch an invasion of Iraq that you'd sit on your hands and be all Gung Ho with out questioning the wisdom of such an action.I know I woudn't.

As far as you finding it disgusting that we would assume that you'd be interested in our opinion that you are nothing but a Primate Version of a Lemming I can assure you that I couldn't possibly care less.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

one sentence was alot of words to tell you i dont care?

who the hell protests alot?? If theres any anti war protests in my area I'm getting all my conservative warminded barbarianistic friends to beat some war drums on the street corners and perform book burnings by liberal authors. lol

also i said not interested in your APPROVAL in case you cant read correctly (i was referring to your credibility quip), not opinion.. your opinions great. just doesnt make any sense to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
one sentence was alot of words to tell you i dont care?

who the hell protests alot?? If theres any anti war protests in my area I'm getting all my conservative warminded barbarianistic friends to beat some war drums on the street corners and perform book burnings by liberal authors. lol

Sounds like something the followers of Sadam Hussien would do in Bahgdad.

 

[UltraQuiet]

BlueEyedBeezlebub-
Let me see if I can explain to you what my (and I suspect some others) objections are to someone who would hold a rally to support a war. It really doesn't have anything to do with whether you believe it is the right thing to do to go to war or even if you are willing to go to war yourself. No one should ever hope for a war. You should hope that diplomacy works. You should hope that UN resolutions work. You should hope that sabre rattling works. You should hope that forced containment works. You should hope that surgical strikes against selected targets forces capitulation. You should hope that a broad coalition forms and that forces change. Then, after all these lesser measure have failed, and only then should a full blown war take place. But it is still not something that should be celebrated or rallied for. It shows a distinct lack of humanity and intelligence.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

That actually makes sense. And I agree. By why couldnt your simple brethern say the same, alot sooner, in alot less flamable way?

I do hope for that (no war), but i think the same applies to the other side doesnt it? I mean why protest against a war that doesnt exist, hence my automatic backlash against them and feeling they do it because of hidden political agendas and simply to oppose any sort of conservative initiative.

but then again, we are kind of already at war, just with a unseen enemy.. hidden and defended (i feel) by some of our own people.
this war didnt start with bush sr. it started long before, dont you think the crusades has anything to do with the arab world's hatred for the western? we have short memories, they have held onto things alot longer.. mainly due to their fanatical religous beliefs and the fact they basically still live in 1066ad.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
I'm curious as to how the preemptive strike by the US will itself not violate the Vienna convention's use of force provisions. And if that is the case, why is the US trying to use Geneva convention violations by Iraq as a justification to go to war?

Come on man, this is the US we're talking about. We can't be bothered by such. Those are for "other" countries to abide by. ...someone else telling us what to do... ...bwahahaha!

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer


This has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans btw. I can agree with Rs on one issue today... abortion.

That's interesting. I'm a moderate republican and I disagree with hardcore republican on issue of abortion.

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
alot of the media is jewish owned

OK, that's just not cool, stop that. There's no need to bring ethnic slander into this debate. Even if your statement is true (and its truthfulness certainly is in question) you're claiming that most news organizations are biased merely because they're owned by Jewish people? You, my friend, are an idiot plain and simple and I simply have no respect for you. There are many ways that you can argue your point without bringing anything against Jewish people into the mix.

That being said, I will also be within the 18-25 year old range when this war gets started (note I said when, not if). I have a valid right to protest against this war. If I'm going to possibly be sent into a combat zone, I want to know exactly why we're doing it and why we can't find other options first. I don't want to hear the same mindless crap about "Bush says they have this and that, so let's go get 'em!". My life is on the line in this situation, Bush's isn't. I don't want to fight some war that a few people have decided is important for reasons we don't even know about. So don't say I'm wrong for having issues with this war, because when it can lead to the possibility of injury or death, I most certainly have a right to protest it as much as I want.

</rant>

 

[Red Dawn]

but i think the same applies to the other side doesnt it?

Personally the only time I pay attention to them is one of you nut cases get's all hot and bothered by them exercising their right to Freedom of Speech. Most of the time their arguments are about as incomprehensible as yours which makes what they have to say hard to take seriously. Then again there are arguments agianst the action that Bush's Administration is planning on taking that do raise some valid concerns. I need all the information I can get regarding this situation so I can make an informed decision and I'm not about to give up that right to appease the "My Country Right or Wrong" Buffoons out there like you.

 

[UltraQuiet]

That actually makes sense. And I agree. By why couldnt your simple brethern do the same, alot sooner, in alot less flamable way?

I don't know I only speak for myself.

I do hope for that, but i think the same applies to the other side doesnt it? I mean why protest against a war that doesnt exist, hence my automatic backlash against them and feeling they do it because of hidden political agendas and simply to oppose any sort of conservative initiative.

Your posts did not indicate that was your mindset. As to the protesters I agree to an extent. I am also extremely critical of people who are protesting on the grounds of "Bush is a war monger" or the "take over the oil fields crowd". Those protest are unfounded IMO and they could come up with something more substantial without really trying. You must also remember that there are some people here who were "of age" during the Vietnam era and they have an instinctive (and well founded) distrust of anything that talks war. That generation was sold down a river once before and they will go to great links to ensure it doesn't happen again.

but then again, we are kind of already at war, just with a unseen enemy.. hidden and defended (i feel) by some of our own people.
this war didnt start with bush sr. it started long before, dont you think the crusades has anything to do with the arab world's hatred for the western? we have short memories, they have held onto things alot longer.. mainly due to their fanatical religous beliefs and the fact they basically still live in 1066ad.

No I don't believe the crusades has anything to do with this.