Ranting about antiwar protests

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: speg
As a Canadian, not saying all Canadians feel this way, but just that I look at this at a slightly different perspective than you guys. ( americans ). First off, I'm anti-war, and I've been thinking about this one question for a while now.

How come Iraq cannot have weapons of mass destruction, but the United States ( and others ) can?

It'd be great if everyone disbanded their weapons of mass destruction, but I have the funny feeling that the US wouldn't agree...

Do a search and read up on Iraqi's atrocity and UN Resolutions against Iraq.

 

[speg]

Okay doke. I havn't researched this or anything, so it's just a blind question from what I have seen on the news and stuff.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: speg
As a Canadian, not saying all Canadians feel this way, but just that I look at this at a slightly different perspective than you guys. ( americans ). First off, I'm anti-war, and I've been thinking about this one question for a while now.

How come Iraq cannot have weapons of mass destruction, but the United States ( and others ) can?

It'd be great if everyone disbanded their weapons of mass destruction, but I have the funny feeling that the US wouldn't agree...

NPT

Iraq signed a cease-fire agreement at the end of the Gulf War stating that they would disarm. Key point - Iraq signed

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I dont know how many of you have been reading about the protests that have been going on against the war but I am going to be organizing counter protests in my area that are pro war. Its time those of us who despise draft dodgers from the vietnam era and the weak ones who are afraid to do what we have to do now hear our voice. Sad thing is these days the popular opinion is against me (which is ok with me), honor, chivalry, and duty to ones nation is dead in our country.

Its also said that the media is ignoring these protests, and for good reason.. alot of the media is jewish owned, this war will get all support from liberal jews, conservative jews, all other conservatives.. the only ones left out will be the liberal whites who want to protest everything for mostly political hatred of their enemies initiatives and ideas or fear of sending their children off to battle.
Most of their children are scared, but I'm 21 years old and think the war and draft is a good thing. In fact I think from age 18-20 in this country mandatory military service should be required!! Mostly for a wake up call so we respect our freedom and how important it is to maintain.

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

So counter protest the protesters if you have the motivation!

What do you know about war to have this rant?

1. Many great philosophers believe that avoid war at all cost, because war is the break down of diplomacy & democracy.
2. Killing/murdering is not honors/chivalry.
3. War isn?t just on the battle front where the lead flies, but it is every where and pertain for decades after the last shot has taken.

Go and ask anyone that has lost there family member/s in war to see what they has to say about it. It is not the honor/chivalry/duty that they talk about, but it is the pain that is the only thing that they remember for the rest of there life.

You sir is a waste of food.

:|

 

[speg]

Alright cool, Iraq signed this thing so they can't build nuclear weapons. So why is the United States going to go to war with them? Shouldn't this be handled by the United Nations?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: speg
Alright cool, Iraq signed this thing so they can't build nuclear weapons. So why is the United States going to go to war with them? Shouldn't this be handled by the United Nations?

Has the US gone to war with Iraq? Did I miss something on the news?

The UN inspectors are finally back in Iraq. What do you think got them back in there?

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: speg
Alright cool, Iraq signed this thing so they can't build nuclear weapons. So why is the United States going to go to war with them? Shouldn't this be handled by the United Nations?

Has the US gone to war with Iraq? Did I miss something on the news?

The UN inspectors are finally back in Iraq. What do you think got them back in there?

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

Any you belive everything that the spin doctor feed to you?

Read upon the reason that the American lost the Vietnam War & why so many of your soldier died & lied to by your government.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: speg
Alright cool, Iraq signed this thing so they can't build nuclear weapons. So why is the United States going to go to war with them? Shouldn't this be handled by the United Nations?

Has the US gone to war with Iraq? Did I miss something on the news?

The UN inspectors are finally back in Iraq. What do you think got them back in there?

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

Any you belive everything that the spin doctor feed to you?

Read upon the reason that the American lost the Vietnam War & why so many of your soldier died & lied to by your government.

What the hell are you talking about??

 

[speg]

Ack, no the Us hasn't gone to war with Iraq. But isn't that what this whole thread is about? The US going to war with Iraq?

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

im tired of responding to dumbasses and wont be doing it anymore, basically the mentality is war is terrible and never shoudl be performed because of a thousand lame ass reasons. do i want to die? no. would i do whatever it took first to avoid dying? yes. would i run and hide on the front lines, or continue fighting knowing my buddy next to me depends on me and everyone at home does to? #2 thank you. ya sounds like big talk but who here wouldnt give their life for their kids, or for their parents even, or their wife or girlfriend? if you wouldnt your a selfish piece of trash and thats how i see you people.

the middle east (a way to collectively join osama and iraq, and all militant muslims) is a problem for our safety and your talking isnt going to do jack, but i think most of us are giving it a chance. i for one felt iraq violated their agreements after the gulf war, clinton let them basically off of that stuff and now what we should do if we're going to back up our mouths is take them out unless we get inspectors in there but thats not working, we found empty nuclear warheads.. give me a break, i'd bomb the crap out of them right after finding those.

all this peace talk had its place i think in the 90s but things have gone to far (blame clinton for getting lax on iraq), it will be interesting to see if it can be fixed diplomatically but you have to carry a big stick to scare them into giving in.

this is becoming the weakest country in the world for self respect, i remember the day after 9/11 i went to class and heard some arab descended kids were saying out loud, in class, how this nation deserved it and they were glad it happened. i would have kicked that kids ass in class if i would have been in that class. this nation is so accepting we take crap from someone like that. And I do think this has something to do with the crusades, the muslims find it as a continuation of the ancient wars of the arab world versus european.. thats been said before and why the hate runs so deep.. this is really about jealousy, and a hate for our western influence on their society.

of course if we do go do this, it would be nice to come out with the spoils of war, oil for one.

 

[lowtech1]

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

You believe everything that your government & the ?North American? media feed to you?

Why didn?t Bush sr. said anything to Saddam, when Saddam showed interest in occupying Kuwait? Then attack and bombed Iraq (were an US ally prior to days before the Gulf War) to set up a regime that the US can control. Then the US broke all kind of UN treaties by bombing Iraq after the war. And, now jr. is just finishing up what sr. has started under the spin doctor doctrine of destroying the ?Axis of Evil?, but to me Bush action is just as evil as Saddam or Hitler.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: lowtech

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

You believe everything that your government & the ?North American? media feed to you?

Why didn?t Bush sr. said anything to Saddam, when Saddam showed interest in occupying Kuwait? Then attack and bombed Iraq (were an US ally prior to days before the Gulf War) to set up a regime that the US can control. Then the US broke all kind of UN treaties by bombing Iraq after the war. And, now jr. is just finishing up what sr. has started under the spin doctor doctrine of destroying the ?Axis of Evil?, but to me Bush action is just as evil as Saddam or Hitler.

It's now the United State's fault that Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Iraq was not exactly an ally of the US before the Gulf War. Where did you get that idea? We did give them limited support in their war against Iran. Iran of the Islamic fundemtalists and takers of US hostages for 444 days, but you knew that of course.

The US and Britain set up no-fly zones to protect the Kurds. I guess you don't care about them. Why does the US keep having to intervene to keep Arabs from killing other Arabs?

I really don't care what you think. It it obvious that you don't know what has happened or more importantly why it happened. Have a nice day.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
im tired of responding to dumbasses and wont be doing it anymore, basically the mentality is war is terrible and never shoudl be performed because of a thousand lame ass reasons. do i want to die? no. would i do whatever it took first to avoid dying? yes. would i run and hide on the front lines, or continue fighting knowing my buddy next to me depends on me and everyone at home does to? #2 thank you. ya sounds like big talk but who here wouldnt give their life for their kids, or for their parents even, or their wife or girlfriend? if you wouldnt your a selfish piece of trash and thats how i see you people.

the middle east (a way to collectively join osama and iraq, and all militant muslims) is a problem for our safety and your talking isnt going to do jack, but i think most of us are giving it a chance. i for one felt iraq violated their agreements after the gulf war, clinton let them basically off of that stuff and now what we should do if we're going to back up our mouths is take them out unless we get inspectors in there but thats not working, we found empty nuclear warheads.. give me a break, i'd bomb the crap out of them right after finding those.

all this peace talk had its place i think in the 90s but things have gone to far (blame clinton for getting lax on iraq), it will be interesting to see if it can be fixed diplomatically but you have to carry a big stick to scare them into giving in.

this is becoming the weakest country in the world for self respect, i remember the day after 9/11 i went to class and heard some arab descended kids were saying out loud, in class, how this nation deserved it and they were glad it happened. i would have kicked that kids ass in class if i would have been in that class. this nation is so accepting we take crap from someone like that. And I do think this has something to do with the crusades, the muslims find it as a continuation of the ancient wars of the arab world versus european.. thats been said before and why the hate runs so deep.. this is really about jealousy, and a hate for our western influence on their society.

of course if we do go do this, it would be nice to come out with the spoils of war, oil for one.

Yes, I am a spoiled brat that taken things for granted, and many of my family members may have has died in vain to save me. But, I believe that they didn?t have to died if the governments has worked thing out among themselves. You don't see the generals/presidents volunteer to died for their soldiers, but it is the foot soldiers & civilians that died for the government doctrines.

I have personally witness a few atrocities of war such as, a 4 year old girl blown up by American personnel mine & a 19 year old was shot & burned alive, and dozens of rotten bloated human carcass that were swarmed by flies & maggots. The smell of burning human hair/flesh is something that will never leave my mind since I was 6 year old. It took me over 15 years clear my mind from the terrible things that I dream nightly in my nightmare.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lowtech

I don't think saying "please" works very well with "Uncle Saddam".

You believe everything that your government & the ?North American? media feed to you?

Why didn?t Bush sr. said anything to Saddam, when Saddam showed interest in occupying Kuwait? Then attack and bombed Iraq (were an US ally prior to days before the Gulf War) to set up a regime that the US can control. Then the US broke all kind of UN treaties by bombing Iraq after the war. And, now jr. is just finishing up what sr. has started under the spin doctor doctrine of destroying the ?Axis of Evil?, but to me Bush action is just as evil as Saddam or Hitler.

It's now the United State's fault that Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Iraq was not exactly an ally of the US before the Gulf War. Where did you get that idea? We did give them limited support in their war against Iran. Iran of the Islamic fundemtalists and takers of US hostages for 444 days, but you knew that of course.

The US and Britain set up no-fly zones to protect the Kurds. I guess you don't care about them. Why does the US keep having to intervene to keep Arabs from killing other Arabs?

I really don't care what you think. It it obvious that you don't know what has happened or more importantly why it happened. Have a nice day.

If the US were interested in intervened the Iraq/Kuwait invasion they could have done so, because the CIA must have told them something was going on months prior to the invasion. It is like saying that the US wouldn?t know the date if China decide to invade Taiwan.

And, why Iran has to take US hostages? Maybe you already have the answers for that as well. (See why the US were in control of the puppet South Vietnamese regime, South Korea, etc...)

 

[Soybomb]

basically the mentality is war is terrible

Wow some dumb opinions around here 'eh?

Actually I'm half tempted to think your posts are flamebait but anyway.....

If you're so eager to do something honorable and non-cowardly and whatever else you think war is why don't you really fight for some freedom and make some protests against the Total Information Awareness program, the USA PATRIOT act, or the DMCA or one of the many other recent stifling pieces of legislation?

 

[coolVariable]

this is becoming the weakest country in the world for self respect, i remember the day after 9/11 i went to class and heard some arab descended kids were saying out loud, in class, how this nation deserved it and they were glad it happened. i would have kicked that kids ass in class if i would have been in that class. this nation is so accepting we take crap from someone like that. And I do think this has something to do with the crusades, the muslims find it as a continuation of the ancient wars of the arab world versus european.. thats been said before and why the hate runs so deep.. this is really about jealousy, and a hate for our western influence on their society.

If I hear you talk BlueEyedBeezlebub I sometimes wonder if we DID deserve it.
Going to war with Iraw is going to bring down the whole burning roof!
It's like telling every single person in the Middle East that Osama Bin Laden was right because the US IS the evil satan and they indeed are after world domination. And it sure looks like the US doesn't tolerate muslim regimes that don't do what it wants.
So if you want to have MORE terrorist attacks (also with biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons) than sure: go ahead and go to war with Iraq! And don't be fooled that the US will even be able to retain the supposed WMD's that Saddam has: THEY WON'T!!!! And it will be very easy for Osama or some other crazy guy to get their hands on them once the whole Middle East is against the US because of a war with Iraq!
You, Mister, should be shot for stupidity and for endangering American lives at home!!!!!

 

[etech]

once the whole Middle East is against the US because of a war with Iraq!

That's an interesting viewpoint and one I don't understand coolVariable.

I don't think that anyone in the ME will deny that Saddam is an evil dictator that has tortured and killed and committed acts that we can't even imagine to stay in power. But since he's an Arab none of that matters. It doesn't matter that he started a war with Iran in which millions of Arabs were killed. It doesn't matter that he has committed genocide on the Marsh Arabs and also committed what is perhaps the worst ecological disaster in the ME since he lit the Kuwaiti oil wells on fire by draining the area of marshes between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It doesn't matter that he has used chemical weapons on the Kurds. He's an Arab so all Arabs have to stand behind him, is that it? Is that the only reason? They would rather have Iraqi Arabs killed by this despotic leader then have the Iraqi?s be free of him and his sons.

Damn, that's sick.

 

[coolVariable]

They like him better than the US. THAT is all that matters.

And if we go against him the whole middle east will be against us.
The situation there is bad enough because of our blind support of the Israelis who are not much better than Saddam.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
im tired of responding to dumbasses and wont be doing it anymore, basically the mentality is war is terrible and never shoudl be performed because of a thousand lame ass reasons. do i want to die? no. would i do whatever it took first to avoid dying? yes. would i run and hide on the front lines, or continue fighting knowing my buddy next to me depends on me and everyone at home does to? #2 thank you. ya sounds like big talk but who here wouldnt give their life for their kids, or for their parents even, or their wife or girlfriend? if you wouldnt your a selfish piece of trash and thats how i see you people.

the middle east (a way to collectively join osama and iraq, and all militant muslims) is a problem for our safety and your talking isnt going to do jack, but i think most of us are giving it a chance. i for one felt iraq violated their agreements after the gulf war, clinton let them basically off of that stuff and now what we should do if we're going to back up our mouths is take them out unless we get inspectors in there but thats not working, we found empty nuclear warheads.. give me a break, i'd bomb the crap out of them right after finding those.

all this peace talk had its place i think in the 90s but things have gone to far (blame clinton for getting lax on iraq), it will be interesting to see if it can be fixed diplomatically but you have to carry a big stick to scare them into giving in.

this is becoming the weakest country in the world for self respect, i remember the day after 9/11 i went to class and heard some arab descended kids were saying out loud, in class, how this nation deserved it and they were glad it happened. i would have kicked that kids ass in class if i would have been in that class. this nation is so accepting we take crap from someone like that. And I do think this has something to do with the crusades, the muslims find it as a continuation of the ancient wars of the arab world versus european.. thats been said before and why the hate runs so deep.. this is really about jealousy, and a hate for our western influence on their society.

of course if we do go do this, it would be nice to come out with the spoils of war, oil for one.

Well it's good to have dumb asses like you around, it makes the retarded feel better about themselves.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
They like him better than the US. THAT is all that matters.

And if we go against him the whole middle east will be against us.
The situation there is bad enough because of our blind support of the Israelis who are not much better than Saddam.

The question why. Why would they want their brother Arabs to be under such a despotic leader. One who is trainging his sons to take his place so generations more of Iraqis will know the terror of his rule.

Why?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Well it's good to have dumb asses like you around, it makes the retarded feel better about themselves.

It's no problem Red, we'll do anything to lift your self-esteem.

 

[coolVariable]

The question why. Why would they want their brother Arabs to be under such a despotic leader. One who is trainging his sons to take his place so generations more of Iraqis will know the terror of his rule.

Why?

Maybe they don't see it as you do? You could ask the same question someone from Britain, Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea, ...
They all have a head of state that was not elected in a real free election.
And THEY WANT IT THAT WAY!!!! Especially Americans that are SO BIG about personal freedom and should respect that.

Or better yet ask someone from the US: How come no one intervened when someone became president that did not get the popular vote?
Under international law it is forbidden to meddle with another countries politics just because you don't like their head of state.

 

[etech]

coolVariable

Maybe they don't see it as you do?

That's why I'm asking the question. I want someone to explain why they would rather have a person in charge that would rather build palaces then feed the people. Why they want someone who must have security agencies watching other security agencies so he can stay in power.

You implied that other Arabs in the region would rise up because he was overthrown. I think there is some truth to that but I'll be damned if I understand it. Would they rather the Iraqis live under a tyrant and suffer rather than acknowledge that the US could help them have better lives?

 

[Epiphany]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I dont know how many of you have been reading about the protests that have been going on against the war but I am going to be organizing counter protests in my area that are pro war. Its time those of us who despise draft dodgers from the vietnam era and the weak ones who are afraid to do what we have to do now hear our voice. Sad thing is these days the popular opinion is against me (which is ok with me), honor, chivalry, and duty to ones nation is dead in our country.

Its also said that the media is ignoring these protests, and for good reason.. alot of the media is jewish owned, this war will get all support from liberal jews, conservative jews, all other conservatives.. the only ones left out will be the liberal whites who want to protest everything for mostly political hatred of their enemies initiatives and ideas or fear of sending their children off to battle.
Most of their children are scared, but I'm 21 years old and think the war and draft is a good thing. In fact I think from age 18-20 in this country mandatory military service should be required!! Mostly for a wake up call so we respect our freedom and how important it is to maintain.

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

So counter protest the protesters if you have the motivation!

Better yet, join the military! What would be a better way to protest the antiwar protesters. Its pretty easy to talk when you aren't in a situation that directly affects you. See what you'll say when you're in Iraq and bullets are flying over your head. I personally would not want to go to war, the thought of dying thousands of miles away from home is not an enjoyable thought, but if I truly believed in the cause I would.. go that is. If they want to protest, let them protest. But protesting the antiwar people is absurd.

 

[coolVariable]

Would they rather the Iraqis live under a tyrant and suffer rather than acknowledge that the US could help them have better lives?

Yes, they would. And even if they would like to have someone help the Iraqis it would be everybody BUT the US.
And please don't tell me we are going there for some humanitarian cause. We are doing this for the OIL!!!
When Saddam tested his chemical weapons on his own people it was done with the sanction of the US. He was our buddy at that time.

And if you do some research online you will find out that there is a rumor (especially outside the US) that just won't die down and that says that when Saddam asked very politely how the US would look upon the conquest of Kuwait before the 2nd Gulf War, the signs from Washington gave him a green light. Supposedly the US gave their blessing to his expansionary war ...

And if we ared oing it for the sole benefit of the people why don't we do anything in china, Africa, Cuba, ...........
Why do we support tyrannical regimes when they are on our side or if we profit from them?