Ranting about antiwar protests

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Well it's good to have dumb asses like you around, it makes the retarded feel better about themselves.

It's no problem Red, we'll do anything to lift your self-esteem.

LOL

Its amazing how varying the views are between all of us. Some agree with me, some sound like communists in disguise, some are on the fence. I for one consider myself on the fence, I just have always looked at antiwar protesters as scum of the earth. Probably from the image projected thru the 60s and it seems its always a liberal movement. And liberals have really turned me off in the 90s, they are intolerant for others, they have the whole white guilt thing going on (that we owe for past racial crimes), love affirmative action and other quota systems and they murdered those women and children in Waco, Texas using the name of the US government.

I mean, we all agree Vietnam was a terrible war.. but I wouldnt have dodged the draft.. if I was going to do that when my nation called upon me I wouldnt call myself an american and I sure as hell wouldnt sit here and say we're unjust and could live with myself being apart of American society. So I dont think I need to join the military to show my enthusiam, some of you need to find a new country that you can be halfway satisfied with the leadership instead of saying we're the reason iraq invaded kuwait.

Because if you dont know, it was a liberal democrat who got us into vietnam and a conservative republican who got us out.. so you protested and dodged that war, and now this one, so just leave with blowhard alec baldwin to canada. Odviously neither party is to your liking.

I guess i'd protest the war if I thought it was unjust or the USA was unjust.. and some of you say that we are unjust but that just isnt true.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Well it's good to have dumb asses like you around, it makes the retarded feel better about themselves.

It's no problem Red, we'll do anything to lift your self-esteem.

LOL

Its amazing how varying the views are between all of us. Some agree with me, some sound like communists in disguise, some are on the fence. I for one consider myself on the fence, I just have always looked at antiwar protesters as scum of the earth. Probably from the image projected thru the 60s and it seems its always a liberal movement. And liberals have really turned me off in the 90s, they are intolerant for others, they have the whole white guilt thing going on (that we owe for past racial crimes), love affirmative action and other quota systems and they murdered those women and children in Waco, Texas using the name of the US government.

I mean, we all agree Vietnam was a terrible war.. but I wouldnt have dodged the draft.. if I was going to do that when my nation called upon me I wouldnt call myself an american and I sure as hell wouldnt sit here and say we're unjust and could live with myself being apart of American society. So I dont think I need to join the military to show my enthusiam, some of you need to find a new country that you can be halfway satisfied with the leadership instead of saying we're the reason iraq invaded kuwait.

Because if you dont know, it was a liberal democrat who got us into vietnam and a conservative republican who got us out.. so you protested and dodged that war, and now this one, so just leave with blowhard alec baldwin to canada. Odviously neither party is to your liking.

I guess i'd protest the war if I thought it was unjust or the USA was unjust.. and some of you say that we are unjust but that just isnt true.

You probably don't score so high on IQ tests huh?

 

[MadRat]

Every day that UN inspectors find chemical warheads, empy or not, it feeds the premise of the U.S. war machine at his door. What else has he hidden?

Saddam had a responsibility to not only claim all of these shells by now, but also to destroy them all. The U.S. is ultimately fulfilling its end of the ceasefire by building up to an invasion. Don't let this fool you, though, Rumsfeld is on his own personal holy crusade and would leave chemical plant shells or even working nukes in Iraq if he felt it necessary. The U.S. is going to war no matter the conclusion of the UN inspectors because it can.

 

[railer]

This is amusing. Haven't read this whole thread yet...but I can assure anyone who is reading this that the "weak ones" referred to by the original poster are the ones who turn their brains off, grab the flag with both hands, and start frantically waving it over their heads while they pray for war. There's nothing more anti-american that not thinking for yourself.

 

[IGBT]

Just a bunch of serial protesters with an anti capitalist pro marxist agenda.

 

[Bulk Beef]

There's nothing more anti-american that not thinking for yourself.

I didn't bother to read what you said, but I agree.

 

[Red Dawn]

The U.S. is ultimately fulfilling its end of the ceasefire by building up to an invasion.

I understand what you mean but that statement just strikes me as odd

 

[numark]

I note that this discussion has faded from an informed discussion among people with different viewpoints into accusations of communist sympathy and insults regarding intelligence and ideology. It's easy to throw around the loaded word "communism/communist" with the evil connotations put on that word by McCarthyism in the 50s (and don't interpret this to mean that I believe personally in communism, I just don't see why people demonize it so much). As for the insults, I would think that some of you would be well above that, but I guess I am slowly being proven wrong. Too many discussions on here degrade into something that I could envision 10-year-olds saying.

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[flavio]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Just a bunch of serial protesters with an anti capitalist pro marxist agenda.

Oh yeah? They happen to be protesting WAR not economics. Did you mean to post in a different thread?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
I dont know how many of you have been reading about the protests that have been going on against the war but I am going to be organizing counter protests in my area that are pro war. Its time those of us who despise draft dodgers from the vietnam era and the weak ones who are afraid to do what we have to do now hear our voice. Sad thing is these days the popular opinion is against me (which is ok with me), honor, chivalry, and duty to ones nation is dead in our country.

Its also said that the media is ignoring these protests, and for good reason.. alot of the media is jewish owned, this war will get all support from liberal jews, conservative jews, all other conservatives.. the only ones left out will be the liberal whites who want to protest everything for mostly political hatred of their enemies initiatives and ideas or fear of sending their children off to battle.
Most of their children are scared, but I'm 21 years old and think the war and draft is a good thing. In fact I think from age 18-20 in this country mandatory military service should be required!! Mostly for a wake up call so we respect our freedom and how important it is to maintain.

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

So counter protest the protesters if you have the motivation!

Why would anyone, who isn't a maniac, be pro-war?

I assume you are going over there to fight?

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

yeah im noticing less actual response and more insults.. i already explained how 'liberals' are intolerant... they dont want to debate, they'd crush the US government to gain power if they could. And they arent having any initiatives by bush or anyone but their own boys. The dem party is so divided inside itself they have no sense of unity and its dragging into our whole society. if it wasnt, gore would have won his election.

Just as they truley tried to steal the election in floriduh, which many like to claim bush was trying to do, but it was dems who were popping out chads on the floor and using magnifying glasses to see if they could see light through them they counted for gore. recount after recount..

i probably wouldve been a dem or liberal if clinton wouldnt have devastated and defiled the entire party, i have and always will say he was the worst thing to ever happen to the democrats. no honor, chivalry or duty to ones nation in that old southern boy.

and on war, sometimes war is the answer, who made you believe that you can talk to a bunch of fanatically religious arabs, living in 1200ad, who have a culture of hate and violence based on islam, view us as fricking SATAN and would probably slit your whiney throat first because they couldnt respect your lack of backbone. i think we could talk it out if we had a huge coalition but do we? no.. half the world is against us.. so its NOT going to happen.

as far the communist comments i think i can explain, its because some real americans realize that these "anti war protests", sometimes start to appear to not be anti war, but rather, anti America! There were people speaking out against war right after 9/11.. what does it take for you people? A nuke killing your kids immediately and you dying slowly over a 6month period of time?
Point being, there ARE people with hidden communist and anti american motives STILL whether you like it or not and we are just trying to weed ya out.

 

[Red Dawn]

I think that those who protest just do so to relive or regain some spirit of the 60s.. it was justified in those times but now some would protest even if we were being attacked on our own soil. And if this nation is ever attacked on our own soil, as powerful as we are now.. and our enemys got that far, it would be all over.

The problem is you don't think, you just react. If you did think you'd realize how foolish your notion is that all of those protesters (or even a large minority of them) are protesting just to relive the spirit of the 60's. Some who are against the war aren't against it because they believe that Bush and Company are just doing it for the oil, but because they believe that a full scale war in Iraq might be more destabilizing than helpful to our cause (I posted about this earlier in this thread). This situation isn't just cut and dried and some of those concerns need to be addressed by Bush and his Administrations. Granted we need to do something about Hussien and his stockpile of WMD's and attacking Iraq might be the only viable solution but before we do that we need to exhaust all diplomatic options even if they ultimately end up being futile. I'm confident that our Military will be able to do its job and I'm not concerned about the Iraqi's, I'm just worried about the aftermath and the consequences. I'm concerned that our actions might make it an even more dangerous world than it already is.

Just because I have those concerns it doesn?t mean that I am going to protest against war or the Administration. They might have plans in the works for the Iraqi Military to overthrow Hussien once the fighting starts and just aren?t saying anything to prevent Hussien from acting against those Iraqi Generals who might be in on a plan like than. Hopefully they do because without something like that happening Iraqi could become an Oasis for Anarchy and Fundamentalist Radicalism which could possibly make it more of a threat to the West and the rest of the World than Hussien with WMD?s could ever be.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
yeah im noticing less actual response and more insults.. i already explained how 'liberals' are intolerant... they dont want to debate, they'd crush the US government to gain power if they could. And they arent having any initiatives by bush or anyone but their own boys. The dem party is so divided inside itself they have no sense of unity and its dragging into our whole society. if it wasnt, gore would have won his election.

Just as they truley tried to steal the election in floriduh, which many like to claim bush was trying to do, but it was dems who were popping out chads on the floor and using magnifying glasses to see if they could see light through them they counted for gore. recount after recount..

i probably wouldve been a dem or liberal if clinton wouldnt have devastated and defiled the entire party, i have and always will say he was the worst thing to ever happen to the democrats. no honor, chivalry or duty to ones nation in that old southern boy.

and on war, sometimes war is the answer, who made you believe that you can talk to a bunch of fanatically religious arabs, living in 1200ad, who have a culture of hate and violence based on islam, view us as fricking SATAN and would probably slit your whiney throat first because they couldnt respect your lack of backbone. i think we could talk it out if we had a huge coalition but do we? no.. half the world is against us.. so its NOT going to happen.

as far the communist comments i think i can explain, its because some real americans realize that these "anti war protests", sometimes start to appear to not be anti war, but rather, anti America! There were people speaking out against war right after 9/11.. what does it take for you people? A nuke killing your kids immediately and you dying slowly over a 6month period of time?
Point being, there ARE people with hidden communist and anti american motives STILL whether you like it or not and we are just trying to weed ya out.

What does Gore and the 2000 election have to do with the US going to war with Iraq and some US citizens being against it?

Your anti-liberal rant is so tedious

 

[Red Dawn]

already explained how 'liberals' are intolerant... they dont want to debate, they'd crush the US government to gain power if they could

Frankly BlueEyedBeezlebub, you are the one who sounds intolerent to me. You also sound uninformed and rather paranoid. This Country has been around for 225 years and in that time there has been those who were considered Liberal and who protested against the current Adminstration at the time and we not only survived it but become even stronger and more unified because of it. Your notions of those who oppose the current leadership are unpatriotic and traitors sounds like the rhetoric one would expect to hear from supporters of totalitarian regimes like the old Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

 

[MadRat]

Its pointless to argue against war considering its inevitable regardless of diplomacy. Eventually there will always be war between Iraq and the U.S. because Iraq is a proponent of terrorism. Chemical weapons is just an excuse to invade Iraq, sure, but taking down the premise of suicide bombers is the ultimate goal of the campaign. One way or another the U.S. will find chemical stockpiles in Iraq to justify the war, if they have to plant them there themselves! Least when the hostilities begin you'll see people unify alot more on this issue.

All this talk of anarchy being justified to stop the war is bull. Anarchy is far worse than war because it stems from a boiling point of uncaring attitudes collecting together in a mob mentality to justify all sorts of evil nonesense. America only works because enough people care. America works because people believe in justice. When Americans stop caring about each other we're in big trouble. Look no further than L.A. or Philedelphia for examples of what happens when people have relapses of anarchy.

Iraq will fall. The choice will be for Iran to either uproot the insurgents within their own borders or be the next target. Syria and Saudi Arabia are well within the context of similar campaigns if they don't shape up, too. God help us that nothing happens between Pakistan and India to upset the current stability.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: MadRat

All this talk of anarchy being justified to stop the war is bull.

Where was this anarchy talk?

 

[coolVariable]

BlueEyedBeezlebub:

im tired of responding to dumbasses and wont be doing it anymore

yeah im noticing less actual response and more insults.. i already explained how 'liberals' are intolerant... they dont want to debate

You are so full of sh!t.

Doesn't it make sense to you that the others MIGHT be RIGHT and you MIGHT BE WRONG???
Especially since the Pro-War people don't have any logical and reasonable arguments and the Anti-War people do???

Sometimes I really get sick of those 6 year olds in here pretending to be adults.

If I hear you talk BlueEyedBeezlebub I sometimes wonder if we DID deserve 9/11.
Going to war with Iraw is going to bring down the whole burning roof!
It's like telling every single person in the Middle East that Osama Bin Laden was right because the US IS the evil satan and they indeed are after world domination. And it sure looks like the US doesn't tolerate muslim regimes that don't do what it wants.
So if you want to have MORE terrorist attacks (also with biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons) than sure: go ahead and go to war with Iraq! And don't be fooled that the US will even be able to retain the supposed WMD's that Saddam has: THEY WON'T!!!! And it will be very easy for Osama or some other crazy guy to get their hands on them once the whole Middle East is against the US because of a war with Iraq!
You should be shot for stupidity and for endangering American lives at home!!!!!

 

[etech]

Especially since the Pro-War people don't have any logical and reasonable arguments and the Anti-War people do???

Thanks for the laugh. I needed one tonight.

 

[coolVariable]

Give me 1.

 

[etech]

Especially since the Pro-War people don't have any logical and reasonable arguments and the Anti-War people do???

There it is, funnest damn thing I've seen all day.

Assuming that is that you meant that the Anti-War people with their "Bush is dumb", "Bush is a war monger", "The US is going to take over the Iraqi oil fields for themselves" idjits are logical and reasonable then yep, that's funny. Sad, but funny.

 

[coolVariable]

Well, since you are Pro-War and can't find any other argument than that, this thread is finished.

The results:

Pro-War:
Those Anti-War people are so mean and make fun of Bush!
Thus we must attack Iraq!
- no other arguments.

Anti-War:
Lots of good arguments. Please read whole thread.


Your humor is the funniest thing I have seen all day boy.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: etech

Especially since the Pro-War people don't have any logical and reasonable arguments and the Anti-War people do???

There it is, funnest damn thing I've seen all day.

Assuming that is that you meant that the Anti-War people with their "Bush is dumb", "Bush is a war monger", "The US is going to take over the Iraqi oil fields for themselves" idjits are logical and reasonable then yep, that's funny. Sad, but funny.

Hey, you spelled "Moron" incorrectly, twice!

 

[etech]

I'll spell moron right this time.

sandorski

are you happy now. moron.

 

[coolVariable]

Want to know how i spell "@sshole without arguments except name-calling" boy?

ETECH!!

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: etech
I'll spell moron right this time.

sandorski

are you happy now. moron.

perhaps you did not see the in the end...

Or perhaps you are just trying to be as ignorant as you can, as usual...