Ranting about antiwar protests

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Originally posted by: friedpie

Originally posted by: numark
I note that this discussion has faded from an informed discussion among people with different viewpoints into accusations of communist sympathy and insults regarding intelligence and ideology. It's easy to throw around the loaded word "communism/communist" with the evil connotations put on that word by McCarthyism in the 50s (and don't interpret this to mean that I believe personally in communism, I just don't see why people demonize it so much). As for the insults, I would think that some of you would be well above that, but I guess I am slowly being proven wrong. Too many discussions on here degrade into something that I could envision 10-year-olds saying.

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I'm sorry you think people are throwing around the word communism for no good reason, but you are completely wrong.

The protesters this weekend were by and large anti-capitalists/socialist, and yes, communists. Anti Semitic, Anti White, also. The protests were organzied by a group called A.N.S.W.E.R., aka IAC, aka the Communist Workers World Party which is headed by former Sec. of State Ramsey Clark. It IS a communist organization that hates America and capitalism. Ramsey Clark was a representative (lawyer) for Slobodan Miloslevic, among others notorious criminals and enemies of democracy and the United States. You don't know all these things because the lame mainstream media doesn't tell it to you.

Do some research, don't fall for what the mainstream media gives you.

Thank you.

As far as reasons for war, there are plenty in this thread that are reasonable and valid. You just arent willing to hear them.
Examples, government sponsored terrorism, saddam gassing his own people, militant muslim groups backed by governments such as saddams directing cowardly attacks on buildings full of women and children in both america and israel.. just to name a few small details.
I think saddamn sounds like Hitler, not me. And some of you sound like nazi sympanthizers.

Nothing we could type or express would change your minds on being anti war or at least not examine this 'protest' situation as what it really is.
i have in this thread admitted to fault unlike the closet liberals, i didnt realize the stupidity in holding a rally in favor of war. But I guess what I meant was it was more a rally against people rallying against the war on iraq and the middle east.. because I take the protesters as anti american, not truley antiwar.

This is probably the most just war we've gotten into, they directly attacked us on our own soil.. osama (although partially related to the iraqi issue, is a part of the whole problem) wrote a manifesto in the early 90s i believe declaring his jihad on the western world (jews, americans and our allies), continue to teach their children to be like nazi SS for their cause.. I mean this is and has been a out of control problem.
I am completely for letting these people protest, but I cant believe people are respecting actual communists.. yes, communists do stand against everything a true american (meaning someone believing in capitalism) stands for. Yet some even deconstruct being 'american' into not having to be a capalist.. give me a break, thats where we get absolutely no unity. American did and should stand for some kind of belief system other than being the worlds great idea and people accepting whore. Communists can live here, but i'll be damned if they are going to pull our left wing liberal friends to being as wacky and antiamerican as they are just to further their cause.

Taking out the Iraqi regime would be LIBERATION for the iraqi people and one step closer to ensuring our safety from the militant muslim world.

My family is very diverse, mexican american, IRAQI american, korean american, and every european blood under the sun.. and my cousin who is from iraq wants the dictator ship out.. so where does that leave these probably rich suburban no nothing communist kids protesting the war supposedly in the name of our people and the good of all people around the globe? Exactly, quit talking.

I say we help give the iraqi people their voice back, and hopefully they wont become as spoiled with the freedom as apparantly most americans have.

 

[Sketcher]

A few of my old friends while in college thought they were pretty important protesting during the Gulf War/Desert Storm. They sent me pictures of themselves protesting and waving signs with catchy phrases about killing babies and oil mongering and such.

I sent them back some pictures of civilians who were thrown into a lion's cage in a zoo by Saddam's Republican Guard for resisting their recruiting of "fighting age" boys. A couple of them got mad at me for sending them such gruesome pictures without warning them... one picture shows two lions fighting over the upper torso of a man, with a child and wife screaming, clutching the bars of the cage... it's bad. it's just very bad.

There is sooooo much that is never shown on CNN or written about by the media. I'm not saying that all motivation for war, even the Gulf War isn't without its questionable elements... It's just that most of the people doing the questioning do so from the luxury of not having to deal with it first hand, even second hand for that matter.

It'd be interesting to see what manner of protesting would take place if those who ruled by terror stepped into our backyard with more force and influence than they did on 9/11... and someone posted pictures for the ignorant masses who do not experience it first hand.

 

[friedpie]

I thought maybe you had unbiased sources to back up your accusations. But apparently you can't tell the difference between real news and the incredibly slanted crap that comes from Front Page.

Well, first of all, almost all of us have a bias. To deny that would be disingenuous so let's be real.

Like I said, you can't trust the mainstream media (CBS, NY Times) to tell you about the organizers of those protests. They are ideological twins. They aren't going to say anything negative about them. I guess you could say they are biased. lol Yeah, FPM is biased, biased against anti-american radicals who are out to undermine our democracy. Thank God for FPM.

But don't worry, many left leaning journalists such as Christopher Hitchens and David Corn have been very critical of Clark and his "A.N.S.W.E.R."

Hey, don't take my word for it. Try this on for size.

How about you point me to a site that says the IAC/A.N.S.W.E.R. are not socialists/communists groups. They are quoted on many communists/socialists websites all over the world.

 

[sandorski]

Ho hum. So if some Communists show up at a protest, the protest is a Communist action and null and void? Are Republicans racist, because KKK members show up at their functions?

Re: Capitalism

Is it Constitutionally protected? Don't Americans have the right to determine this themselves? AKA, is not being a Capitalist not being American?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: friedpie

I thought maybe you had unbiased sources to back up your accusations. But apparently you can't tell the difference between real news and the incredibly slanted crap that comes from Front Page.

Well, first of all, almost all of us have a bias. To deny that would be disingenuous so let's be real.

Like I said, you can't trust the mainstream media (CBS, NY Times) to tell you about the organizers of those protests. They are ideological twins. They aren't going to say anything negative about them. I guess you could say they are biased. lol Yeah, FPM is biased, biased against anti-american radicals who are out to undermine our democracy. Thank God for FPM.

But don't worry, many left leaning journalists such as Christopher Hitchens and David Corn have been very critical of Clark and his "A.N.S.W.E.R."

Hey, don't take my word for it. Try this on for size.

How about you point me to a site that says the IAC/A.N.S.W.E.R. are not socialists/communists groups. They are quoted on many communists/socialists websites all over the world.

You claimed that the that "the protesters this weekend were by and large anti-capitalists/socialist, and yes, communists. Anti Semitic, Anti White, also" which anyone with half a brain would know was complete bullshit posted by some sort of fanatic.

I thought I would give you the chance to add some sort of proof to what you posted and of course there is none. In fact you don't even seem to understand the concept. You give me some links about this Clark guy and more to some wacko fanatical ultra conservative site like Front Page. None of this really does anything to prove the statement "the protesters this weekend were by and large anti-capitalists/socialist, and yes, communists". This seems to indicate that not only are you a nutcase but you also lack simple understanding of logic.

I think you ignore the basic idea that the protestors are really just anti war on Iraq.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

LOL, you sir are very ho hum.
I assume its more american to be communist now than capitalist? Typical new age crap thinking.
In all actually, no matter how many of your liberal professors and colleagues attempt to rewrite history, this nation was founded on a few principles that arent going away, one of those includes a firm belief in capitalism.. not dictatorship or socialism. I suppose you could live here and be a communist but you really arent a very good communist enjoying the pleasures and freedoms democracy allows, and you certainly wouldnt be a very good american either, at least in the traditional sense.
Being a communist in america is like biting the hand that feeds you (your freedom). That in itself, the fact that democracys tolerate communists within their society, would have to fundamentally change your ideas.. and a true communist wouldnt want to live in such a terrible, oppressive nation such as ours. it would take a true hypocrite of a communist to eat their fast food and rub their bellies in delight coming home from one their big charade protests.

edit- and flavio, your correct, not all the protesters are communists.. they've almost completely hijacked the democratic party in this nation. to the point where people think the purpose of the US govenment is to take care of them, a convinient way to take away peoples will to do soemthing for theirselves thus making them dependant on the government, hence a larger government, eventually leading to stricter control and less freedom and more oppression.. much like when our government murdered those women and children in waco, texas.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Got this email forward today, thought it was worthy of some of you reading

Subject: Close your eyes.....

I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier
at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. Torn uniform ragged hat.
He stands barefoot in the snow with only a blanket wrapped around those bare feet, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war.
He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He stands full of hope and determined knowing that this is worth it all. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this...
I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now your
children graduate too illiterate to read it.
I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you
stay at home because it rains.
I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you
remain silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business.
I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it has
stolen democracy from the people.
It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the
press.
It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech.
It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you to demonstrate.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!


"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen."

 

[coolVariable]

Patriotism is the virtue of the viscious!

Thank you for proving that great proverb of Oscar Wilde again.


All the things the pro-war people list in this thread that Saddam supposedly did were before the 2nd Gulf War ('91) not now.
So far the weapons inspectors have found nothing! No conclusive evidence!!!!

AND EVEN IF HE DID HAVE WMDs: PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT SADDAM WOULD DO WITH THESE!!!! IF HE USES THEM AGAINST ANYONE!!!!!! HEAR ME ANYONE!!!!!! THE US IS CAPABLE OF DESTRYOING THE WHOLE FREAKING COUNTRY!!!!!! IT IS CALLED NUCLEAR DETERGENCE!!!!!!! BUT YOU PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT???? DO YOU?????

AND IF WE ARE NOT GOING THERE FOR THE OIL PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY???? AND DON'T LIST WMDs (SEE EXPLANATION ABOVE) OR HUMANITARIAN REASONS!!!! BECAUSE THERE ARE A FREAKING LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT ARE NOT VERY HUMANITARIAN AND THE US DOESN'T LIFT A FINGER FOR THOSE!!!!! SOME ARE EVEN SUPPORTED BY THE US!!!!!! (ISRAEL, SAUDI ARABIA, RUSSIA, EVEN CHINA)

AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY EVERYCOUNTRY IN THE WORLD (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE US WHICH WOULD PROFIT FROM THE OIL) IS AGAINST MILITARY ACTION????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[coolVariable]

In all actually, no matter how many of your liberal professors and colleagues attempt to rewrite history, this nation was founded on a few principles that arent going away, one of those includes a firm belief in capitalism.. not dictatorship or socialism.

AND THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE SIMPLE BELIEVE OF ISOLATIONISM!!!!!!! READ THE MONROE DOCTRIN!!!!!! WE REVOLTED AGAINST THE BRITISH BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT A COUNTRY FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC TO RULE US!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU GET IT INTO YOUR THICK SKULL THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WANT THE EXACT SAME THING???????? THEY DON'T WANT TO BE RULED BY A COUNTRY FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT YOU ARE SO PATRIOTIC YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT AN AMERICAN AND WHO DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO!!!!!! LIKE BARBARIANS YOU DESTROY WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE YOUR HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDE AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR @ BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
LOL, you sir are very ho hum.
I assume its more american to be communist now than capitalist? Typical new age crap thinking.
In all actually, no matter how many of your liberal professors and colleagues attempt to rewrite history, this nation was founded on a few principles that arent going away, one of those includes a firm belief in capitalism.. not dictatorship or socialism. I suppose you could live here and be a communist but you really arent a very good communist enjoying the pleasures and freedoms democracy allows, and you certainly wouldnt be a very good american either, at least in the traditional sense.
Being a communist in america is like biting the hand that feeds you (your freedom). That in itself, the fact that democracys tolerate communists within their society, would have to fundamentally change your ideas.. and a true communist wouldnt want to live in such a terrible, oppressive nation such as ours. it would take a true hypocrite of a communist to eat their fast food and rub their bellies in delight coming home from one their big charade protests.

edit- and flavio, your correct, not all the protesters are communists.. they've almost completely hijacked the democratic party in this nation. to the point where people think the purpose of the US govenment is to take care of them, a convinient way to take away peoples will to do soemthing for theirselves thus making them dependant on the government, hence a larger government, eventually leading to stricter control and less freedom and more oppression.. much like when our government murdered those women and children in waco, texas.

Who is your post even directed at? Who said it's more american to be communist? I went up quite a few posts and I can't find what you're talking about anywhere?

Now the part that was specifically directed at me doesn't make much sense either. I would say that hardly any of the protestors were communist and if you think different then backup what you say. Then the rest of your post is blathering about democrats not wanting anyone to work, which is obviously untrue and makes you look a little more crazy. ....and finally all the people that did the murdering in Waco were conservative republicans.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

That is true. There has yet to have been a person who set themselves on fire in the name of war. Makes you wonder what war values.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
Got this email forward today, thought it was worthy of some of you reading

Subject: Close your eyes.....

I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier
at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. Torn uniform ragged hat.
He stands barefoot in the snow with only a blanket wrapped around those bare feet, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war.
He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He stands full of hope and determined knowing that this is worth it all. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this...
I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now your
children graduate too illiterate to read it.
I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you
stay at home because it rains.
I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you
remain silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business.
I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it has
stolen democracy from the people.
It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the
press.
It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech.
It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you to demonstrate.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!


"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen."

It is certainly very honorable to fight for your country. We just have no business sending forces into Iraq just yet.

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

i think coolvariable isnt staying very cool, and seems very much like a variable!

You are correct sir, we should be heeding the words of our forefathers and not be involved in foriegn affairs, but unfortunately regardless of all their amazing foresight, they didnt forsee nuclear warheads. so somethings had to change, and something must be done.
whos suggesting we rule that nation?? no one, including our own leader has never implied we want to rule iraq.
so where your getting that assumption I don't know.

this nation is overall good and rightous nation, regardless of how jealous the world is and how much that burns the communist movements.
the day we start ruling iraq is the day i join you in your quest to bring down the US of A. but you know damn well thats not going to happen so dont be an idiot.

Think we are France during the revolutionary war, if king george couldve gassed those of us who are true patriots, as easily as saddam could his people, he would have.
Another small problem you're overlooking is that the entire militant muslim world has declared a f*cking Jihad on us and is pursuing nuclear weaponry.. i wish the other 50% of my nation would WAKE UP to this fact
licking butt hole and passing out free money will not make this problem go away, clintonesque politics will not work here, thank God for Bush Jr.

 

[flavio]

I had some questions ^^up there^^ for you that you missed>

 

[MadRat]

The present economy is a result of communistic principles being applied in America. America needs a scapegoat to hide all of its inefficiencies. The corporate world has been cutting out their own ability to be accountable for their decisions (firing middle management), allowing their equipment to break due to lack of maintenance, cutting overhead costs by avoiding taxes (using tax loopholes), wildly overproducing product (mismanagement of resources), eliminating training of the workforce (dumbing down the force), cutting loyal workers (age discrimination), discarding experienced workers (loss of intellectual property), and generally running their businesses to the ground all in the name of short-term stock price.

War will distract the American people from their own troubles. War is inevitable because it can. It has nothing to do with justice.

The biggest problem I have with the war is not that they eliminate Saddam, but rather they create a situation of distability for either India, Russia, Iran, or China to manipulate. America is making decisions like they are the largest and only influential nation in the world when this simply is not true. This naivety could lead to a much wider theater of conflict in my opinion. The first step of eliminating Iraq puts America into the intenable position that it must continue to make examples of other nations. The same logic applied from an Iraqi suppression lends one to conclude Iran, Libya, or Syria must be next.

 

[sandorski]

Blue: Oh my. Before you continue with the "New Age" attack, you should probably quit Channeling the paranoid spirit of Sen. McCarthy. The Cold War is over, you may now leave the Bomb Shelter.

You really could have saved a lot of time by simply pointing to where the Constitution or even Founding Fathers have entrenched Capitalism as an American Ideal, to be valued as highly as Freedom.

Just a point of interest: Adam Smith never envisioned Capitalism to be what it is today, he mostly imagined it in the context of small mom and pop type shops. We extrapolate his theories to include larger Corporations and attempt to acheive market balance(competition) by maintaining Corporations in a particular market of similar size/ability(prevent Monopoly).

 

[Red Dawn]

The biggest problem I have with the war is not that they eliminate Saddam, but rather they create a situation of distability for either India, Russia, Iran, or China to manipulate. America is making decisions like they are the largest and only influential nation in the world when this simply is not true. This naivety could lead to a much wider theater of conflict in my opinion

Exactly. And if this does happen how is it going to prevent terrorists from continuing to attack US and US Intersts? It seems to me that it could be opening up a bigger can of worms. For us to prevent this from happening we either need to have participation from many more nations or mobilize a fighting sorce as big as the one we had in WW2, not to kick Iraq'ss ass but to secure the area after we do. Either we do it right or we risk everything.

Trust me BlueEyedBeezlebub, being a Gung Ho Buffoon doesn't make you any more patriotic than those Idiots who claim the war is just for oil, it just makes you ignorant.

 

[chizow]

Bah, I deal with these tree-hugging hippies every other week protesting one thing or another. Makes my commute worse....would like nothing more than to turn them into hood ornaments.

I find it particularly ironic when they come and bitch about the World Bank and IMF. These tree-huggers are out and about on a WORKDAY bitching about being impoverished!!! Its like...hmm...maybe if you spent 1/2 the energy you spent protesting and got a job, your outlook on life would be a bit different....anyways.....I guess I wouldn't really care if they protested on some island in the South Pacific...just my luck I happen to live in the nation's capitol.

Chiz

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: chizow
Bah, I deal with these tree-hugging hippies every other week protesting one thing or another. Makes my commute worse....would like nothing more than to turn them into hood ornaments.

I find it particularly ironic when they come and bitch about the World Bank and IMF. These tree-huggers are out and about on a WORKDAY bitching about being impoverished!!! Its like...hmm...maybe if you spent 1/2 the energy you spent protesting and got a job, your outlook on life would be a bit different....anyways.....I guess I wouldn't really care if they protested on some island in the South Pacific...just my luck I happen to live in the nation's capitol.

Chiz

Maybe you could evaluate rationally what they are saying instead of labelling them all "tree-huggers" on issues that have nothing to do the environment? Maybe you're just a drone though?

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
i think coolvariable isnt staying very cool, and seems very much like a variable!

You are correct sir, we should be heeding the words of our forefathers and not be involved in foriegn affairs, but unfortunately regardless of all their amazing foresight, they didnt forsee nuclear warheads. so somethings had to change, and something must be done.
whos suggesting we rule that nation?? no one, including our own leader has never implied we want to rule iraq.
so where your getting that assumption I don't know.

Still rings true and nothing you've said contradicted it. Theres honestly not much that can be said. But you have failed in trying to again resort to name calling.

I think the sensitivity shown by these odvious liberal sympanthizers, such as the one who started yelling in all caps, and flavio, who has a problem with another gentleman who has come to a conclusion about some particular protesters based off of logic and reason.. seems to have shown that you guys are rather illogical in your thinking. there in lies the main difference between liberals and conservatives. :|

Since when does a drone realize such hyprocrisies? I for one think he goes to work everyday and pays his taxes, he's earned his right to free speech. I think alot more of these "Rights" should be Privileges.

Odviously those protesters are getting alot done when people are wanting to make them hood ornaments. They arent helping someone else and they arent helping themselves.
In the history of man I cant think of a more 'just' nation than this one, this country should have the least amount of protesting.. theres very little actual bad stuff going on to protest.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub

Originally posted by: BlueEyedBeezlebub
i think coolvariable isnt staying very cool, and seems very much like a variable!

You are correct sir, we should be heeding the words of our forefathers and not be involved in foriegn affairs, but unfortunately regardless of all their amazing foresight, they didnt forsee nuclear warheads. so somethings had to change, and something must be done.
whos suggesting we rule that nation?? no one, including our own leader has never implied we want to rule iraq.
so where your getting that assumption I don't know.

Still rings true and nothing you've said contradicted it. Theres honestly not much that can be said. But you have failed in trying to again resort to name calling.

I think the sensitivity shown by these odvious liberal sympanthizers, such as the one who started yelling in all caps, and flavio, who has a problem with another gentleman who has come to a conclusion about some particular protesters based off of logic and reason.. seems to have shown that you guys are rather illogical in your thinking. there in lies the main difference between liberals and conservatives. :|

Since when does a drone realize such hyprocrisies? I for one think he goes to work everyday and pays his taxes, he's earned his right to free speech. I think alot more of these "Rights" should be Privileges.

Odviously those protesters are getting alot done when people are wanting to make them hood ornaments. They arent helping someone else and they arent helping themselves.
In the history of man I cant think of a more 'just' nation than this one, this country should have the least amount of protesting.. theres very little actual bad stuff going on to protest.

Juat when I think that you couldn't say anything more ignorant you surprise me with posts like your last. There are those who make a good argument for Military action in Iraq. You, however, are not one of them. The only argument you make is that somehow the public schools are failing us..at least the one you went too. If you went to a private school your parents should ask for a refund.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: chizow
Bah, I deal with these tree-hugging hippies every other week protesting one thing or another. Makes my commute worse....would like nothing more than to turn them into hood ornaments.

I find it particularly ironic when they come and bitch about the World Bank and IMF. These tree-huggers are out and about on a WORKDAY bitching about being impoverished!!! Its like...hmm...maybe if you spent 1/2 the energy you spent protesting and got a job, your outlook on life would be a bit different....anyways.....I guess I wouldn't really care if they protested on some island in the South Pacific...just my luck I happen to live in the nation's capitol.

Chiz

Maybe you could evaluate rationally what they are saying instead of labelling them all "tree-huggers" on issues that have nothing to do the environment? Maybe you're just a drone though?

Didn't mean to step on your Birkenstocks. I don't have the energy to argue over this, I hear enough of this BS rhetoric on the local news. I'm a drone, fine. I'm also very successful and have nothing to protest about, so I guess that makes me a happy, busy, little bee. Protest me, I don't care lol.

Chiz

 

[friedpie]

Originally posted by: flavio

You claimed that the that "the protesters this weekend were by and large anti-capitalists/socialist, and yes, communists. Anti Semitic, Anti White, also" which anyone with half a brain would know was complete bullshit posted by some sort of fanatic.

I thought I would give you the chance to add some sort of proof to what you posted and of course there is none. In fact you don't even seem to understand the concept. You give me some links about this Clark guy and more to some wacko fanatical ultra conservative site like Front Page. None of this really does anything to prove the statement "the protesters this weekend were by and large anti-capitalists/socialist, and yes, communists". This seems to indicate that not only are you a nutcase but you also lack simple understanding of logic.

I think you ignore the basic idea that the protestors are really just anti war on Iraq.

The organizers of the protest are known communists and anti american leftists. You can deny that all you want. One reason they organize these rallies is to help them recruit people into their ideology. They will use good intentioned people as what Lenin termed "useful idiots." Sure, not everyone there was a communist, or hates America, but they were the organizers, and they were there in force. Just because CNN or the NY Times didn't report doesn't mean it's not true. That's what FPM does, they report the things the liberal media is afraid to report. I realize that doesn't fit into your ideology, and that is just fine with me, but you have no right to dish out names like some little brat.



What a nice boy

 

[BlueEyedBeezlebub]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Juat when I think that you couldn't say anything more ignorant you surprise me with posts like your last. There are those who make a good argument for Military action in Iraq. You, however, are not one of them. The only argument you make is that somehow the public schools are failing us..at least the one you went too. If you went to a private school your parents should ask for a refund.

Just what was so 'ignorant' (every liberals favorite word) about my post faucker?
Guys like chizow are what this country needs and relies on to pay for all your government programs, so he deserves your respect.

As far as news, I find Fox News to my liking the best. I dont find them as conservative as maybe I would like them to be but not bad at being fair and balanced as they advertise. I believe they are doing really well too in attracting a audience.

Yet you attempt to make people like me into some kind of ignorant creative, but you're the outcast.

friedpie-
I have never seen Front Page Magazine.com before but I am very impressed and like it.
Honestly until this moment I've never seen that website but they are concurring with what I said earlier in this thread.

If your interested, i listen to a morning AM radio show put on by Jan Mickelson on WHO radio out of Des Moines, Iowa.. its 1040 AM supposedly reaches far across the nation becuase they got their tower before power regulations were put on them, or something.
the website for the station and information on the show is www.whoradio.com but I couldnt get it to pull up. I could pull up another one of their pages, just not their index. http://www.whoradio.com/mickelson.html
Its a really great program.

 

[Red Dawn]

BlueEyedNeedleDick

Yet you attempt to make people like me into some kind of psycho outcast.

No, your self aggrandizing incoherant posts do a good enough job at that without me contributing. I'm just pointing out the follie of your attempt to label your ignorance as patriotism. While I have reservations about going to war with Iraq I'm not out protesting against it. I'm like many Americans who realize the need to oust Hussien but also realize the need to go about it with caution least we make things worse than they already are. Of course when a mealy mouth individual such as yourself comes along and posts nonsense and then has the gall to label people Liberals and Commies because they correctly point out that your mindless drivel is nothing but poppycock, I feel obliged to wipe your face in that big steaming pile you foolishly try to pass as reality. Sure there are stupendous morons on the Anti War side but rest assured they have nothing on you when it comes to malarky.