Rathergate

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ntdz
cbs recived the documents from an admitted democrat, and didnt even authenticate it properly. I think they had wishful thinking and assumed it was true and aired it w/o checking it correctly. They deserve ALL the blame for this. Was it illegal? nah. Was it unethical and stupid? Damn straight.

Prove it. You can't prove a word of that. It is just cheap talk.

<snip>

Well, I hate to tell you, but it has been proven. CBS has admitted that the documents did come form Burkett.

Are you happy that this has been proven, now?

And the task of proving reality to one more Liberal has been successful. But, sadly, the list is a long one. :roll:

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Funny how quickly this thread emptied out.

(watches tumbleweed fly by)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hehe - I watched blather's evening "news" - what a joke. Is there a video clip out of it yet?

NightTrain - Maybe we should all fax/send(from Kinkos) blather the paperwork to become a 527

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny how quickly this thread emptied out.

(watches tumbleweed fly by)

This story (and maybe Rather) is done, baby, done. Stick a fork in it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny how quickly this thread emptied out.

(watches tumbleweed fly by)

This story (and maybe Rather) is done, baby, done. Stick a fork in it.

Well no - not it's not. It seems there are a few other issues to address. One being the liar Buckett and where he had the documents made/forged/whatever. Creating forgeries like that is a felony from what I understand.

Then we have the issue of how the leftist attack dogs took this and ran(on a moments notice). I'm looking at a link here where Iowa's embarrassment(tom "i lied about my Vietnam service" harkin) went and called a press conference blasting Bush based on the documents. I wonder if the disgraced Senator will step forward and admit he was wrong and that his accusations were unsubstantiated. Like the 60min watch....tick tock tick tock.....

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well no - not it's not. It seems there are a few other issues to address. One being the liar Buckett and where he had the documents made/forged/whatever. Creating forgeries like that is a felony from what I understand.

Oh! So you can prove they're forgeries now? I thought CBS said they "cannot vouch for the authenticity" of the documents? Certainly they shouldn't have used them in their report, but we still don't know the true nature of these things...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well no - not it's not. It seems there are a few other issues to address. One being the liar Buckett and where he had the documents made/forged/whatever. Creating forgeries like that is a felony from what I understand.

Oh! So you can prove they're forgeries now? I thought CBS said they "cannot vouch for the authenticity" of the documents? Certainly they shouldn't have used them in their report, but we still don't know the true nature of these things...

Psstt - "where he had the documents made/forged/whatever"
Certainly we don't know 100% yet but again the evidence points to that conclusion and it is a serious crime to do such a thing.

Ready to apologize "mr" harkin?
Note: Notice that tom "I lied about my Vietnam experience" harkin uses "Mr." in front of Bush instead of "President". I think the junior Senator from Iowa should pull up his baggy pants and learn some manners.

CsG

 

[heartsurgeon]

Rather should resign...

in the last election he tried (unsuccessfully) to effect the presidential election outcome by falsely declaring Gore winner in Florida at a crucial time in the voting (in an attempt to discourage republican voters)

that didn't work, so now he's trying to bring down a sitting Republican president with false documents, given to him by a rabid Democrat partisan, coordinated with a DNC ad campaign ("Favored son"), without ANY expert to authenticte the documents (name ONE of Rather's "experts" who actually authenticated the documents..all the people Rather quotes have either rcanted their statements, stated they never claimed to be "experts", or just plain contradicted what CBS claimed they said!!!)

Rather is a rabid Bush-Hater partisan hack.....he's NO BETTER than Jason Blair/Howell Raines and the New York Times

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: NightTrain
CBS is a fraud and should register as a 527.

IRS forms for 527 groups
Form 8871
Form 8872

CBS News FAX is (212) 975-1998
Email To reach the producers, anchors and correspondents - uttm@cbsnews.com
60mins email - 60II@cbsnews.com

I'm sure they'd appreciate the help if they were sent the required documents to register.

CsG

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Rather should resign...

By that standard, so should Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell and others. Rather and the 60 Minutes staff definitely blundered, but it took them a mere two weeks to own up to acting on faulty information. How long did it take the Bushwhackos to admit Saddam didn't have WMD's? :frown:

Even worse, Rather got taken by info from an outside source. The administration's own people supplied the questionable "intelligence" they used to justify going to war. I know you saw Colin Powell pimp their bullsh8 photos and "information" to the U.N. I know you saw the rest of the Bush liars pimp their "intelligence" on every talking head show, week after week.

Even worse, the number of deaths resulting from Rather's error stands at ZERO Americans and ZERO people from any other country. Compare that with the lethal fallout from Bushswhacko's mega-blunders. THEY FSCKING LIED, AND AMERICANS DIED! :|

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Kerry Aide Talked to Retired Guard Officer

Did someone add some more flour to the plot?

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well no - not it's not. It seems there are a few other issues to address. One being the liar Buckett and where he had the documents made/forged/whatever. Creating forgeries like that is a felony from what I understand.

Oh! So you can prove they're forgeries now? I thought CBS said they "cannot vouch for the authenticity" of the documents? Certainly they shouldn't have used them in their report, but we still don't know the true nature of these things...

Psstt - "where he had the documents made/forged/whatever"
Certainly we don't know 100% yet but again the evidence points to that conclusion and it is a serious crime to do such a thing.

Ready to apologize "mr" harkin?
Note: Notice that tom "I lied about my Vietnam experience" harkin uses "Mr." in front of Bush instead of "President". I think the junior Senator from Iowa should pull up his baggy pants and learn some manners.

CsG

I listened to Harkin's comments. The main thrust of it being that Bush was grounded for failing to take a required medical exam. We already knew that a long time ago. These new documents, whether fraudulant or not don't seem to matter in that context.

 

[maluckey]

Harvey,

You are forgetting that the President gets most of the intelligence from the various Intelligence Committees, and the Senate Committee (of which Kerry is a member) supplied much of the information to Bush. At any time, Kerry and the other committee members could have stood up and told the president that there were no WMD's, but they didn't.....did they. Instead, their inteligence suggested that Saddam was in pursuit of forbidden technologies, and that he planned to use them.

Ignore the intelligence from one source if you wish, but when the majority of intelligence paints a picture of threat, you act on the threat. If you don't, you could end up in a very nasty situation. Your own candidate Kerry not only suppoted the war in Iraq, but has recently stated that even if he knew then what he knows now, that he still would have gone to war...Where is your moral outrage for that warmonger Kerry?

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Here's a little something to think about. I don't know if this whole thing has been masterminded from the beginning, but even if the swiftboat ads were in fact a rogue attack, the Republican party has at least played a strategy that works to equalize Kerry's and Bush's service records.

1) get a 527 to basely slam Kerry's service record
2) wait for 2a) Kerry to have to defend himself 2b) wait for press, swing vote demographic, and some dem's and rep's to conclude that this is a non-issue anyways as it happened so long ago
3) as the whole thing settles down, set up some poor shmuck in the dem party with some fake documents about bush's service in the gaurd
4) wait, but just barely, to point out that the documents are forgeries
5) point fingers at democrats and call em a few names

This would likely result in:

Kerry's war record has be questioned, whereas before it was not.

The relevancy of Kerry's valor or whatever you want to call it has been questioned, whereas before it was not.

Dem's appear to be reacting rather than acting, a position that is weak.

All of the allegations about bush's guard duty get neutralized when the 'story' gets falsified

Furthermore, this strategy would have relatively little risk Bush, assuming that there can be no connection made between the chain of event and either his campaign.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well no - not it's not. It seems there are a few other issues to address. One being the liar Buckett and where he had the documents made/forged/whatever. Creating forgeries like that is a felony from what I understand.

Oh! So you can prove they're forgeries now? I thought CBS said they "cannot vouch for the authenticity" of the documents? Certainly they shouldn't have used them in their report, but we still don't know the true nature of these things...

Psstt - "where he had the documents made/forged/whatever"
Certainly we don't know 100% yet but again the evidence points to that conclusion and it is a serious crime to do such a thing.

Ready to apologize "mr" harkin?
Note: Notice that tom "I lied about my Vietnam experience" harkin uses "Mr." in front of Bush instead of "President". I think the junior Senator from Iowa should pull up his baggy pants and learn some manners.

CsG

I listened to Harkin's comments. The main thrust of it being that Bush was grounded for failing to take a required medical exam. We already knew that a long time ago. These new documents, whether fraudulant or not don't seem to matter in that context.

No, the "thrust" was in the context of these memos. This "press conference" was called because of the memos released. mr.harkin(the liar) said: "we now know this isn't true. The documentation shows that the President was not being truthful. The President lied to the American people in the Oval Office. We now know he was grounded from flying for skipping his physical exam, as ordered by his commanding officer - and for failing to meet his Guard training requirements.".
Clearly he was using the RAthERGATE memos as the basis for his charges - not only the timing, but also the wording.

This was clearly a planned stunt because of the memos.

CsG

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Kerry Aide Talked to Retired Guard Officer

Did someone add some more flour to the plot?

CsG

Flour? That article is more like sour buttermilk being added to the mix. Thanks for sharing the link - very interesting.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Rather should resign...

By that standard, so should Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell and others. Rather and the 60 Minutes staff definitely blundered, but it took them a mere two weeks to own up to acting on faulty information. How long did it take the Bushwhackos to admit Saddam didn't have WMD's? :frown:

Even worse, Rather got taken by info from an outside source. The administration's own people supplied the questionable "intelligence" they used to justify going to war. I know you saw Colin Powell pimp their bullsh8 photos and "information" to the U.N. I know you saw the rest of the Bush liars pimp their "intelligence" on every talking head show, week after week.

Even worse, the number of deaths resulting from Rather's error stands at ZERO Americans and ZERO people from any other country. Compare that with the lethal fallout from Bushswhacko's mega-blunders. THEY FSCKING LIED, AND AMERICANS DIED! :|

Harvey,
You need to take a chill pill my friend because all that paranoid activity is going to drive up your blood pressure. Not good for your health!
As maluckey mentioned, you need to check your facts. Not only did Mr. (he's your hero) Kerry APPROVE of the President's moves, he also RECENTLY repeated that, knowing what he knows now, he would have done the same thing. (maluckey mentioned as much).

So, lets go back over this. The President got his info from the CIA (an American source), the FBI (the same), the DIA (ditto) and various other international agencies that have been relied upon by EACH AND EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT in recent history; not to mention EVERY OTHER DEMOCRATIC country in the world. ALL of them said that the case Bush made was the truth as far as they knew it. So I guess the President should have just totally IGNORED all of that information (especially in light of the 9/11 attacks) and just WAITED until we were attacked again (as Kerry would say) and then "reacted swiftly and with all due force". Give me a massive F-ing break!!!
And don't forget Harvey, your previous demigod, Clinton and his sidekick Algore BOTH BELIEVED that Hussein had WMD's. So I ask you..... If Algore had been President currently and the same lack of proof of WMD's would be prevalent, would you be so militant. Hell NO!!BTW, don't say that he wouldn't have gone into Iraq because I already pointed out that he believed the same info was true. NO matter what you say, he would have done the same to try to protect the American people. Get over it and get some good drugs to assist you in this quest.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Dan Rather - rabid partisan Bush-Hater
Robin Rather - prominent Texas Democrat
Ben Barnes - Texas Democrat, 30 year friend of Dan Rather, $400,000 contributor to Kerry
Bill Burkett - Bush hater
Max Cleland - performing monkey in the Kerry circus - talks with Burkett at suggestion of Mary Mapes!
Mary Mapes - CBS "news" producer cum Kerry campaign advisor
Joe Lockhart - formwer Clinton flunky, now Kery flunky - spoke with burkett after advised by Mapes!
Peculiarly worded "non-denials" of involvement by David Ginsberg (Kerry spokesman) and Terry McCauliffe (DNC chairman)

the whole thing is rotten from top to bottom...
this was a coordinated smear using fabricated documents, run by the DNC, Kerry, and CBS

these are the plain facts.....
and the real story is that they are inept...

these are the people you want to put your trust in?

they couldn't even pull off a smear on Bush! That's how inept they are.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Harvey,

You are forgetting that the President gets most of the intelligence from the various Intelligence Committees, and the Senate Committee (of which Kerry is a member) supplied much of the information to Bush. At any time, Kerry and the other committee members could have stood up and told the president that there were no WMD's, but they didn't.....did they. Instead, their inteligence suggested that Saddam was in pursuit of forbidden technologies, and that he planned to use them.

Ignore the intelligence from one source if you wish, but when the majority of intelligence paints a picture of threat, you act on the threat. If you don't, you could end up in a very nasty situation. Your own candidate Kerry not only suppoted the war in Iraq, but has recently stated that even if he knew then what he knows now, that he still would have gone to war...Where is your moral outrage for that warmonger Kerry?

But,but,but .....Bush LIED I tell ya ......

 

[klah]

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/a.../091704-rathergate.htm

Mapes' father sees a political agenda behind his daughter's work.

"I'm really ashamed of what my daughter has become. She's a typical liberal.
...
It was a farce, it was fraud. I'm sorry as a father that my daughter was the producer of it."

I wonder if they'll be having Thanksgiving dinner together?

 

[heartsurgeon]

read this USA TODAY and tell me you don't believe Dan Rather is a rabid partisan hack and should lose his job (like he needs to make any more money).

in this usa today story, burkett claims a mystery lady who he never met named "Ramirez" passed hinm documets through an intermediary, which he passed on to Dan Rather.

Burkett said he arranged to get the documents during a trip to Houston for a livestock show in March. But instead of being met at the show by Ramirez, he was approached by a man who asked for Burkett, handed him an envelope and quickly left, Burkett recounted.

This guy has watched to many "mission impossible" sequels.



Burkett then confirms that he lied a whole bunch of times to a whole bunch of people.

Burkett admitted lying to USA TODAY about the source of the documents but said he did not fabricate the papers

Burkett now says he made up the story about Conn's involvement to divert attention from himself and the woman he now says provided him with the documents.

He told USA TODAY that he also lied to CBS.

Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez

Burkett promised to provide telephone records that would verify his calls to Ramirez, but he had not done so by Monday night.

After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko's shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in. Ramirez was worried about leaving forensic evidence on them that might lead back to her, Burkett said, acknowledging that the story sounded fantastic. "This is going to sound like some damn sci-fi movie," he said.

"I honest to God can't remember anything else I feel bad about," Burkett said.

this is the guy that Dan Rather and Mary Mapes believed they put so much trust in this guy's story they slandered a sitting President during the final weeks leading up to his re-election bid.

Rather and CBS have no credibility. They are the TV equivalent of Jason Blair and Howell Raines...

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Harvey,

You are forgetting that the President gets most of the intelligence from the various Intelligence Committees, and the Senate Committee (of which Kerry is a member) supplied much of the information to Bush. At any time, Kerry and the other committee members could have stood up and told the president that there were no WMD's, but they didn't.....did they. Instead, their inteligence suggested that Saddam was in pursuit of forbidden technologies, and that he planned to use them.

Ignore the intelligence from one source if you wish, but when the majority of intelligence paints a picture of threat, you act on the threat. If you don't, you could end up in a very nasty situation. Your own candidate Kerry not only suppoted the war in Iraq, but has recently stated that even if he knew then what he knows now, that he still would have gone to war...Where is your moral outrage for that warmonger Kerry?

With all due respect, you look like a mindless partisan when you repeat such nonsense. The President gets most of his intelligence from special briefings prepared by the intel agencies specifically for the President. The Presidential Daily Briefings are but one example. The Congressional intelligence agencies nominally oversee the CIA and receive some of the same intelligence reports presented to the White House. They do NOT provide intel to the President. Your comment about Kerry's Senate intel committee providing "much of the information to Bush" is simply untrue.

You also ignore the administration's role in manipulating the intelligence reports and in spinning those reports to both Congress and the public. They cherry-picked the bits and pieces best supporting their agenda and dismissed all of the footnotes, qualifications, and contradictory views. They painted a stark black and white picture using information that was many shades of gray. The fact of the matter is that our intel on Iraq's WMDs was cloudy; our intel on Iraq's near-term threat potential was far more clear: it posed no imminent threat. Nonetheless, Bush chose to charge ahead, even as the U.N. inspectors kept providing current intel sugesting Iraq's WMD threat was exaggerated.

Finally, you are once again showing your partisanship by misquoting Kerry. Kerry did NOT say he would have voted to war. He clearly and repeatedly said he would have still given the President of the United States the "force" card to add leverage to our interactions with the U.N. and Iraq. Note that Kerry also said he didn't know Bush "would fsck it up so badly", and has clearly and repeatedly stated Bush has handled Iraq poorly. I'm curious why you didn't repeat those quotes.



Edit: typo

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
read this USA TODAY and tell me you don't believe Dan Rather is a rabid partisan hack and should lose his job (like he needs to make any more money).

Heh, maybe "See BS" should indeed file for 527 status, as suggested by another poster in this thread.

Yeah, and old Bill "Kinkos" Burkett has played a leading role in one looney tunes episode or another here in TX for quite a while now. This whole fiasco (RAthER, Barnes, Burkett) carried the stench of Texas Democrats.

 

[dmcowen674]

Tomorrow I'll take my Camera along.

When I came to work today in New Orleans there are a ton of Stores and Businesses that have put up CBS and Dan Rather Protests on their Store Front Signs and Windows.

They are calling for all to Boycott watching CBS and for the Firing and/or Resignation of Dan Rather, Producers and CBS Bosses.

Quite a sight to see all these signs.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: maluckey
Harvey,

You are forgetting that the President gets most of the intelligence from the various Intelligence Committees, and the Senate Committee (of which Kerry is a member) supplied much of the information to Bush. At any time, Kerry and the other committee members could have stood up and told the president that there were no WMD's, but they didn't.....did they. Instead, their inteligence suggested that Saddam was in pursuit of forbidden technologies, and that he planned to use them.

Ignore the intelligence from one source if you wish, but when the majority of intelligence paints a picture of threat, you act on the threat. If you don't, you could end up in a very nasty situation. Your own candidate Kerry not only suppoted the war in Iraq, but has recently stated that even if he knew then what he knows now, that he still would have gone to war...Where is your moral outrage for that warmonger Kerry?

But,but,but .....Bush LIED I tell ya ......

Yep....if Bush lied, then Kerry and Clinton lied also about Iraq.