Rathergate

wiin

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Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004 10:35 p.m. EDT

Rep. Cox Requests House Rathergate Probe

A senior House Republican has formally requested a congressional investigation into an apparent criminal conspiracy to rig the 2004 presidential election by forging records from President Bush's National Guard service and having them reported by CBS News.

In a letter Tuesday night to Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., chairman of the Subcommittee of Telecommunications and the Internet, Rep Christopher Cox, R-Calif., called for a probe into what he described as "the continued use by CBS News of apparently forged documents concerning the service record of President George W. Bush intended to unfairly damage his reputation and influence the outcome of the 2004 presidential election."

Cox wrote:

"Despite the growing abundance of the evidence that CBS News has aided and abetted fraud, the network has declined to reveal the source of the disputed documents. USA Today possesses the same documents, obtained independently from a person representing them to be authentic, and likewise is refusing to disclose his identity."

The letter, first reported by radio host Hugh Hewitt, concluded:

"Given the shortness of time between now and the election which the apparent fraud is meant to influence, and the even shorter time before Congress is scheduled to adjourn, I strongly urge that the Subcommittee move with all deliberate speed to uncover the facts."


NewsMax


Hehehe
 

dahunan

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I am curious to know if this guy requested a probe when Novak *greatest hypocrite of the 21st century* leaked TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE DATA to the Press?
 

Todd33

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Sticky... lock....


This Dan Rather thing is like a sugar to ants for the right wingers. Which is funny, the docs hardly say anything substantial and the proof against Bush is overwhelming against him with all the legit evidence. I guess if Rush and Hannity talk about, we must to.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
Newsmax reporting Hugh Hewitt???



LMAO!!!!

Both reporting the actions of a congresscritter. Newsmax is ofter out there, but it seems hard to dispute this one.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I am curious to know if this guy requested a probe when Novak *greatest hypocrite of the 21st century* leaked TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE DATA to the Press?

 

Bitek

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On the upside of this, Kerry could learn from the GOP how to squash a scandal.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: Hafen
On the upside of this, Kerry could learn from the GOP how to squash a scandal.

To me, this scandal is less about Bush and more about Dan Rather and CBS.

I think we could have video of the docs being typed in Word, being handed to CBS, Dan Rather telling the typist good work and still have him and they deny it.

But hey....Kudos to bloggers everywhere who helped bring out this story.

Power to the people, right on!
 

mflacy

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LOL, Frank Abagnale weighed in. NYPost

A master forger-turned-crimebuster who has taken a look at CBS anchor Dan Rather's documents about President Bush's National Guard service says they're such obvious fakes that they're a joke.

Ex-forger Frank Abagnale ? played by Leonardo DiCaprio in the 2002 Steven Spielberg movie "Catch Me If You Can" ? scoffed: "If my forgeries looked as bad as the CBS documents, it would have been, 'Catch Me In Two Days.' "
 

Gravity

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Rather should resign if he can't document authenticity of those docs. It's about 20 years too late though IMO. When was he ever objective?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Todd33
This Dan Rather thing is like a sugar to ants for the right wingers. Which is funny, the docs hardly say anything substantial and the proof against Bush is overwhelming against him with all the legit evidence. I guess if Rush and Hannity talk about, we must to.

Wrong

 

Genx87

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btw this is an interesting little site about this mess

Memos

They make a pretty damn good case about why they are fakes.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It's time we accuse CBS, Rather, and the entire Kerry campaign of treason! And if found guilty, they should all be shot dead!

This BS by the liberal media to affect the outcome of the election must stop!

CBS' experts say they didn't authenticate Bush memos

Dude lay off the drugs.

Might as well tell that to him too:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-- Thomas Jefferson
 

GTaudiophile

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Let's not forget this. If CBS IDs the source of the documents, that source is either a forger or linked to a forger, which is a felony...You would have criminal charges for forgery, document fraud. Impersonating a federal officer, possibly. So, if the source of these docs is ID'd by CBS -- I mean, folks, you can't imagine. It would be like somebody taking out Archduke Ferdinand and World War I starting as far as the age-old establishment of the media goes...

Somebody is going to find out what happened. You know, this is Nixonian. I can't get over the fact that they have become at CBS what they hated. They're engaged in a cover-up now that is far (worse than the original event).


-- Rush Limbaugh
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I hope they pursue this once Bush supporters fess up to the accountibility of their Prez. for using forged documents in part to justify the Iraqi war. I know they have just been clamoring for that :roll:

After all, Bush's offence killed more people.

Oops, Bush is immune to the buck stopping there.
 

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FYI this is not the first time that Rather has aired "sensational" stories based on false "information", have the falsity of the information pointed out, and refuse to withdraw the story, or correct it.

Apparently in 1988 Rather aired a one hour "documentary" "The Wall Within", in which six Vietnam vets told stories of the brutality they have personally witness, and participated in:

Most horrific of all were the memories of Terry Bradley, a "fighting sergeant" who told Rather he had skinned alive 50 Vietnamese men, women, and children in one hour and stacked their bodies in piles. "Could you do this for one hour of your life, you stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into a body, an arm, a tit, an eyeball . . . Imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely," Bradley said. "That is sick."

"You've got to be angry about it," Rather replied. "I'm suicidal about it," Bradley responded
Rathergate Part 1

just one small problem for Rather....none of it was true.

only one of the vets had actually served in combat. Steve Southards, who'd claimed to be a 16-year-old Navy SEAL assassin, had actually served as an equipment repairman stationed far from combat. Later transferred to Subic Bay in the Philippines, Steve spent most of his time in the brig for repeatedly going AWOL...

Mikal Rice ? the anguished vet who claimed to have cradled his dying buddy in his arms ? actually spent his tour as a guard with an MP company at Cam Ranh Bay. He never saw combat.

Neither did Terry Bradley, who was not the "fighting sergeant" he'd claimed to be. Instead, military records reveal he served as an ammo handler in the 25th Infantry Division and spent nearly a year in the stockade for being AWOL. That's good news for the hundreds of Vietnamese civilians Bradley claimed to have slaughtered.

As Burkett notes, the records of all of these vets were easily checkable through Freedom of Information Act requests of their military records ? something Rather and his producers simply didn't bother to do.

Who amongst you will now stand up and claim Rather is "unbias"
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
FYI this is not the first time that Rather has aired "sensational" stories based on false "information", have the falsity of the information pointed out, and refuse to withdraw the story, or correct it.

Apparently in 1988 Rather aired a one hour "documentary" "The Wall Within", in which six Vietnam vets told stories of the brutality they have personally witness, and participated in:

Most horrific of all were the memories of Terry Bradley, a "fighting sergeant" who told Rather he had skinned alive 50 Vietnamese men, women, and children in one hour and stacked their bodies in piles. "Could you do this for one hour of your life, you stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into a body, an arm, a tit, an eyeball . . . Imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely," Bradley said. "That is sick."

"You've got to be angry about it," Rather replied. "I'm suicidal about it," Bradley responded
Rathergate Part 1

just one small problem for Rather....none of it was true.

only one of the vets had actually served in combat. Steve Southards, who'd claimed to be a 16-year-old Navy SEAL assassin, had actually served as an equipment repairman stationed far from combat. Later transferred to Subic Bay in the Philippines, Steve spent most of his time in the brig for repeatedly going AWOL...

Mikal Rice ? the anguished vet who claimed to have cradled his dying buddy in his arms ? actually spent his tour as a guard with an MP company at Cam Ranh Bay. He never saw combat.

Neither did Terry Bradley, who was not the "fighting sergeant" he'd claimed to be. Instead, military records reveal he served as an ammo handler in the 25th Infantry Division and spent nearly a year in the stockade for being AWOL. That's good news for the hundreds of Vietnamese civilians Bradley claimed to have slaughtered.

As Burkett notes, the records of all of these vets were easily checkable through Freedom of Information Act requests of their military records ? something Rather and his producers simply didn't bother to do.

Who amongst you will now stand up and claim Rather is "unbias"
At least incompetent.It seems he's no better than Hannity or Limbaugh who don't pretend to be fair and balanced or Drudge who has zero credibility.

 

heartsurgeon

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Rather should apologize, then resign.
If nothing else, he is accelerating the "legitimacy" of bloggers and the internet as a news source, over the network news outlets.

he is accelerating the decline of network news as a reliable source of unbias news.

maybe the "suits" will kick him upstairs, or relieve him of his duties so he can "spend more time with the family"
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Rather should apologize, then resign.

I don't know about resigning but they at CBS should do all they can to expose who ever it was that created those forged documents and help bring them to justice. I also think Kerry would be smart to insist that CBS cooperate with any investigation into these forgeries.
 

burnedout

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From what I've read, today at noon EST, CBS is releasing another statement concerning the docs in question.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?
 
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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?
Are you speaking of the Niger yellowcake forgeries?

If so, when doubt was cast upon those documents Bush submitted them to the IAEA and accepted their findings that they were indeed forgeries. He didn't obstinately stand his ground and claim they weren't forgeries despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Rather and CBS, on the other hand, are holding steadfast to their claim of the documents being real despite the abundant and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Maybe Rather could learn something from Bush? Like how to admit fault when you've been had.
 
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