Rathergate

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?

Are you speaking of the Niger yellowcake forgeries?

If so, when doubt was cast upon those documents Bush submitted them to the IAEA and accepted their findings that they were indeed forgeries. He didn't obstinately stand his ground and claim they weren't forgeries despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Rather and CBS, on the other hand, are holding steadfast to their claim of the documents being real despite the abundant and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Maybe Rather could learn something from Bush? Like how to admit fault when you've been had.

Yes those are the ones. Now the next thing. When someone has forgeries, admits to it, then uses the "evidence" in those documents after the fact of discovery to claim what was in those forgeries, where does that leave credibility?

Sorry, but I missed the press conference where Bush admitted to his reliance on these forged documents and admitted where he was mistaken. I seriously could have missed it. Perhaps it was 100th on the list of 99 other things why the documents were reliable.

 

[Genx87]

When were they declared forgeries?

 

[thuper]

I wonder why it was so convenient for the right to overlook the guy that Rather interviewed. He had a damming story too.

 

[burnedout]

The walls begin crumbling from inside.

Schieffer: CBS needs to prove memos on Bush were authentic
By Dave Dreeszen, Journal business editor

CBS News' Bob Schieffer said Tuesday he hopes the network does more reporting to definitively prove the authenticity of memos 60 Minutes II received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard.

"I think we have to find some way to show our viewers they are not forgeries,'' Schieffer, CBS' chief Washington correspondent and host of the network's "Face the Nation,'' said at a news conference in Sioux City. "I don't know how we're going to do that without violating the confidentiality of sources.''

Sioux City Journal

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: thuper
I wonder why it was so convenient for the right to overlook the guy that Rather interviewed. He had a damming story too.

You mean good old Ben "I've made similar allegations in 1999" Barnes?

Already discussed in other threads. He's a partisan hack too.

 

[Genx87]

wonder why it was so convenient for the right to overlook the guy that Rather interviewed. He had a damming story too.

If I remember right the guy who they interviewed is nothing but a common criminal who did time for fraud and has been on the Bush's case for years about this without every having anything to back it up.

Also he is a guy who raised a few hundred thousand dollars for Kerrys campaign.

The level of competence in this story is really not much higher than common trash you find on websites.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Genx87

wonder why it was so convenient for the right to overlook the guy that Rather interviewed. He had a damming story too.

If I remember right the guy who they interviewed is nothing but a common criminal who did time for fraud and has been on the Bush's case for years about this without every having anything to back it up.

Also he is a guy who raised a few hundred thousand dollars for Kerrys campaign.

The level of competence in this story is really not much higher than common trash you find on websites.

Barnes never served time. However, he was indirectly connected with a stock fraud that effectively ended his political career. Additonally, Barnes also had his hands in a bankruptcy mess during the 80s.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

The Democratic National Committee's new video criticizing President Bush's record in the Texas Air National Guard drew a tart response yesterday from the GOP.

"The video the Democrats released today is as creative and accurate as the memos they gave CBS," said Jim ***, communications director for the Republican National Committee.


Very nice

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?

Are you speaking of the Niger yellowcake forgeries?

If so, when doubt was cast upon those documents Bush submitted them to the IAEA and accepted their findings that they were indeed forgeries. He didn't obstinately stand his ground and claim they weren't forgeries despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Rather and CBS, on the other hand, are holding steadfast to their claim of the documents being real despite the abundant and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Maybe Rather could learn something from Bush? Like how to admit fault when you've been had.

Yes those are the ones. Now the next thing. When someone has forgeries, admits to it, then uses the "evidence" in those documents after the fact of discovery to claim what was in those forgeries, where does that leave credibility?

You tell me:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=222

"Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium."

Who or who does not have credibility concerning this issue?

Sorry, but I missed the press conference where Bush admitted to his reliance on these forged documents and admitted where he was mistaken. I seriously could have missed it. Perhaps it was 100th on the list of 99 other things why the documents were reliable.

I missed the part where I claimed Bush held a press conference to admit as much.

The simple fact is that the admin accepted those documents as forgeries and it really didn't matter that they were as it didn't change anything Bush claimed.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?

It's different when Bush lies and uses forged documents. That's different, just ask a Bush supporter.

It's different when they can smear Kerry's name with lies from liars, that's different.

An independant, respected news agency has some suspect documents and it's immediatley infered that it is connected to or coming from Kerry's campaign, LOL.

People are calling for Rather's resignation, based only on the fact they don't like him and what he said. It was OK when the news was running the SBVFTT lies, but now this isn't fair.

Cry me a river boys. I'm enjoying it.

Read my sig, the CBS documents don't change the fact that GWB dodged his commitment to the ANG!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

When are the libs (consipercy side) going to come up with the idea that some one from the Bush camp planted the documents for CBS to use.?

 

[ciba]

EagleKeeper, they already have.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
When are the libs (consipercy side) going to come up with the idea that some one from the Bush camp planted the documents for CBS to use.?

I've heard that theroy also. Who knows what is really true? At this point in time the documents can not be irrefutabley declared false or genuine. CBS has said their source didn't want to go public.

I would like to see GWB just come out and say "Listen up America, those documents are a just bunch of lies. CBS should put up or shut up."

CBS and especially Dan Rather have their reputations on the line. I don't think they will allow themselves to just be blogged into revealing their source. Let GWB put the heat on him, if he can.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?

It's different when Bush lies and uses forged documents. That's different, just ask a Bush supporter.

It's different when they can smear Kerry's name with lies from liars, that's different.

An independant, respected news agency has some suspect documents and it's immediatley infered that it is connected to or coming from Kerry's campaign, LOL.

People are calling for Rather's resignation, based only on the fact they don't like him and what he said. It was OK when the news was running the SBVFTT lies, but now this isn't fair.

Cry me a river boys. I'm enjoying it.

Read my sig, the CBS documents don't change the fact that GWB dodged his commitment to the ANG!!

Why do you think the source isn't being revealed? Perhaps because it is someone in Kerry's crowd?

The Swiftboat Vets told their own perspective about Vietnam that was partially truthful.

 

[burnedout]

From the Opinion Journal Political Diary:

"If my forgeries looked as bad as the CBS documents, it would have been, 'Catch Me In Two Days'" -- ex-forger and con man Frank Abagnale, made famous by Leonardo DiCaprio in the film Catch Me If You Can.

Heh heh heh

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Kind of funny.

I disapprove of using forgeries. So, if people are bothered about Rather using forged documents (and it remains to be seen if he had part in it, but I still don't like it) are the Bush supporters only comfortable if their guy uses forgeries as well?

So effectively it isn't the forgery and misrepresentation of facts, but who does it.

So much for the moral high ground.

If Rather used forgeries intentionally then getting sacked is fine by me. If unintentionally, then he should apologize.

Bush used forgeries.

Bushites, do you support similar actions against him, or does he get a pass?

It's different when Bush lies and uses forged documents. That's different, just ask a Bush supporter.

It's different when they can smear Kerry's name with lies from liars, that's different.

An independant, respected news agency has some suspect documents and it's immediatley infered that it is connected to or coming from Kerry's campaign, LOL.

People are calling for Rather's resignation, based only on the fact they don't like him and what he said. It was OK when the news was running the SBVFTT lies, but now this isn't fair.

Cry me a river boys. I'm enjoying it.

Read my sig, the CBS documents don't change the fact that GWB dodged his commitment to the ANG!!

Why do you think the source isn't being revealed? Perhaps because it is someone in Kerry's crowd?

The Swiftboat Vets told their own perspective about Vietnam that was partially truthful.

Conspiracy therory. Maybe Rove forged them and let the Kerry crowd find them?? This could go on all day. Let GWB denounce the documents as false and call on CBS to put up or shut up. Or is there a reason he doesn't??????

Think about it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


Conspiracy therory. Maybe Rove forged them and let the Kerry crowd find them?? This could go on all day. Let GWB denounce the documents as false and call on CBS to put up or shut up. Or is there a reason he doesn't??????

Think about it.

Politically it is better to let the suspicion rage on what CBS did. Let them have so much rope that they can hang themselves and will taint anything else that is reported.

No need to denounce the documents, the media and every body else is do it for them
Until the Bush camp sees the originals, why do they need to open their mouths. The Dems are slicing themselves up over it.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

All the News That's Fake but Accurate


Today's New York Times has an update on the scandal over Dan Rather's use of fraudulent documents in last week's hit piece on President Bush. Oddly, the Times piece lacks a byline, but it has what may be the greatest headline ever: "Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate, Typist Says."

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
The Democratic National Committee's new video criticizing President Bush's record in the Texas Air National Guard drew a tart response yesterday from the GOP.

"The video the Democrats released today is as creative and accurate as the memos they gave CBS," said Jim ***, communications director for the Republican National Committee.


Very nice

LOL

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
The Democratic National Committee's new video criticizing President Bush's record in the Texas Air National Guard drew a tart response yesterday from the GOP.

"The video the Democrats released today is as creative and accurate as the memos they gave CBS," said Jim ***, communications director for the Republican National Committee.


Very nice

So what portion of the video is not accurate??

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

So what portion of the video is not accurate??

The same part as the Swifties...they are all liars, so I guess all these vets are liars, too...you know how combat veterans like to lie.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

So what portion of the video is not accurate??

The same part as the Swifties...they are all liars, so I guess all these vets are liars, too...you know how combat veterans like to lie.

There are no vets in this video.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

So what portion of the video is not accurate??

The same part as the Swifties...they are all liars, so I guess all these vets are liars, too...you know how combat veterans like to lie.

There are no vets in this video.

Oh, sorry...just saw the unoriginal Texas ANG video that borrowed from the Swifties...which video are you referring to? If it's a DNC video questioning the service of GWB 30 years ago, save it...you guys are a 4 years behind the curve...we no longer care.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

So what portion of the video is not accurate??

The same part as the Swifties...they are all liars, so I guess all these vets are liars, too...you know how combat veterans like to lie.

There are no vets in this video.

Oh, sorry...just saw the unoriginal Texas ANG video that borrowed from the Swifties...which video are you referring to? If it's a DNC video questioning the service of GWB 30 years ago, save it...you guys are a 4 years behind the curve...we no longer care.

Remember when you posted this: "The Democratic National Committee's new video criticizing President Bush's record in the Texas Air National Guard drew a tart response yesterday from the GOP.

"The video the Democrats released today is as creative and accurate as the memos they gave CBS," said Jim ***, communications director for the Republican National Committee. "

That video is here. Once again, what is inaccurate in this video??
So you don't care but you care enough to post verbatim some RNC talking point??

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


Conspiracy therory. Maybe Rove forged them and let the Kerry crowd find them?? This could go on all day. Let GWB denounce the documents as false and call on CBS to put up or shut up. Or is there a reason he doesn't??????

Think about it.

Politically it is better to let the suspicion rage on what CBS did. Let them have so much rope that they can hang themselves and will taint anything else that is reported.

No need to denounce the documents, the media and every body else is do it for them
Until the Bush camp sees the originals, why do they need to open their mouths. The Dems are slicing themselves up over it.

You keep sayint that, but I'm not buying it. Let's hear the documents are false from the horse's mouth. There is a need to denounce them. Trying to lay the blame at CBS's feet isn't working, it's just giving the whole issue more air time and that isn't hurting Kerry any, no matter what spin the right tries to put on it.

As far as I'm concerened, the longer this stays in the public light, the better it is for Kerry. When people start looking to see what the documented record really is they will see the preponderance of evidence agaisnt GWB and his "commitment" to the ANG, his million dollars worth of training, etc.