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Genx87

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You thinking this isnt hurting Kerry is rather naive. People can see through things like this and usually will swing a sympathy vote to the recieving end.

You have Kerry bumbling the swiftboat thing during August and now a major media outlet trying to tell lies.
People can only take so much crap and will turn on him.

 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Genx87
You thinking this isnt hurting Kerry is rather naive. People can see through things like this and usually will swing a sympathy vote to the recieving end.

You have Kerry bumbling the swiftboat thing during August and now a major media outlet trying to tell lies.
People can only take so much crap and will turn on him.

The proof is in the pudding, isn't it. If GWB is content to let his name be dragged through the mud without defending it, that is up to him. He knows how to stop it, doesn't he.

I just saw Kerry on TV saying this "this Presidenceny has created more excuses then jobs" LMAO
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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What is there to defend?

This issue has been nothing but a blemish for the liberals and cbs. You, like the Kerry campaign havent quite figured it out yet.

Keep hammering on Vietnam and Bush's National guard record. People really dont care much but it makes you look rabid and people dont like that.

I watched Wellstone win his 2nd term for congress because Rudy Boschwitz ran a similar hate filled campaign where is sole goal was to get even. He failed miserably because of this. Wellstone like Bush had his critics. But the critics didnt know when to quit and he won.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Genx87
What is there to defend?

This issue has been nothing but a blemish for the liberals and cbs. You, like the Kerry campaign havent quite figured it out yet.

Keep hammering on Vietnam and Bush's National guard record. People really dont care much but it makes you look rabid and people dont like that.

I watched Wellstone win his 2nd term for congress because Rudy Boschwitz ran a similar hate filled campaign where is sole goal was to get even. He failed miserably because of this. Wellstone like Bush had his critics. But the critics didnt know when to quit and he won.

Me thinks you doth protest too much
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The proof is in the pudding, isn't it. If GWB is content to let his name be dragged through the mud without defending it, that is up to him. He knows how to stop it, doesn't he.

Because of the questions surrounding the authenticity of the documents, there is no need for GWB to denounce. Everyone else is doing a nice job for him.

The onus has been placed on CBS to prove the documents ar valid, not for GWB to dispute what is in them.
As long as the docs themselves are under question, the content is being treated as irrelevent at worse (from GWB perspective).

Kerry and the Dems have dug this hole, GWB looks good (public wise) by not commenting on it until CBS ups the anti. The media called CBS bluff. CBS must put up or fold.

Has there been any comment from the Kerry camp?
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The proof is in the pudding, isn't it. If GWB is content to let his name be dragged through the mud without defending it, that is up to him. He knows how to stop it, doesn't he.

Because of the questions surrounding the authenticity of the documents, there is no need for GWB to denounce. Everyone else is doing a nice job for him.

The onus has been placed on CBS to prove the documents ar valid, not for GWB to dispute what is in them.
As long as the docs themselves are under question, the content is being treated as irrelevent at worse (from GWB perspective).

Kerry and the Dems have dug this hole, GWB looks good (public wise) by not commenting on it until CBS ups the anti. The media called CBS bluff. CBS must put up or fold.

Has there been any comment from the Kerry camp?

If this isn't hurting the Republicans, why is there talk of a congressional investigation? I say a Congressman call the document s forgeries. That has not been proven yet.

Now you try to blame Kerry for digging "this hole"? What hole? And if it is a hole it sure wasn't Kerry who dug it, it was CBS.

Your spin on the matter is that these documents are forgeries and once they are debunked the matter is over. That is the way the Repug's want this to come out. Like all the other lies will get swept under the carpet right along with it. Maybe they can make it work, maybe not.

The fact is GWB won't address it personally because he can't. He has run out of elbow room on this one. I think he is the only one who can force CBS's hand on this, so forget about a retraction from them.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The proof is in the pudding, isn't it. If GWB is content to let his name be dragged through the mud without defending it, that is up to him. He knows how to stop it, doesn't he.

Because of the questions surrounding the authenticity of the documents, there is no need for GWB to denounce. Everyone else is doing a nice job for him.

The onus has been placed on CBS to prove the documents ar valid, not for GWB to dispute what is in them.
As long as the docs themselves are under question, the content is being treated as irrelevent at worse (from GWB perspective).

Kerry and the Dems have dug this hole, GWB looks good (public wise) by not commenting on it until CBS ups the anti. The media called CBS bluff. CBS must put up or fold.

Has there been any comment from the Kerry camp?

If this isn't hurting the Republicans, why is there talk of a congressional investigation? I say a Congressman call the document s forgeries. That has not been proven yet.

Now you try to blame Kerry for digging "this hole"? What hole? And if it is a hole it sure wasn't Kerry who dug it, it was CBS.

Your spin on the matter is that these documents are forgeries and once they are debunked the matter is over. That is the way the Repug's want this to come out. Like all the other lies will get swept under the carpet right along with it. Maybe they can make it work, maybe not.

The fact is GWB won't address it personally because he can't. He has run out of elbow room on this one. I think he is the only one who can force CBS's hand on this, so forget about a retraction from them.

If this isn't hurting the Republicans, why is there talk of a congressional investigation?
1) Congress likes to get their name in lights.
2) A Congressperson will be willing to attack an issue if they see political gain. In this case it is both for the party (embaressment of the Dems/CBS and also to curry favor with the boss)
3) If the documents are proven to be forged, charges on falsification of Official Federal Documents can be brought to nail the perps hide to the wall. Again more publicity.

Now you try to blame Kerry for digging "this hole"? What hole? And if it is a hole it sure wasn't Kerry who dug it, it was CBS.
This is my suspicion only, no facts have been revealed. I suspect that CBS will fall on their sword rather than reveal who provided the documents. The timing is suspect with the so-called investigation into Kerry's medals being started just before this set of documents surfaced.

I do not agreee with the medal investigation. I feel that some-one working for the Dems (at what level is unknown and could be anyone) fed those documents to CBS.

Kerry would not have authorized such a smear campaign, however, he has as of yet denounced it.
To the rest of the public, no-comment can be treated as a tact approval. This is the same problem that GWB had with the Swift Boat campaign.

Your spin on the matter is that these documents are forgeries and once they are debunked the matter is over. That is the way the Repug's want this to come out. Like all the other lies will get swept under the carpet right along with it. Maybe they can make it work, maybe not.

If the documents are forgeries, then GWB will not even have to officially address the issue. Attack dogs will keep the issue in the public eye.

If the documents are real, then GWB will have a lot of grief.

As long as the question is unanswered, the Repubs benift.

This issue will not get swept under the rug no matter what unless 1) they are false and 2) Kerry denounces them.

The fact is GWB won't address it personally because he can't. He has run out of elbow room on this one. I think he is the only one who can force CBS's hand on this, so forget about a retraction from them.
GWB is unable to force CBS's hand. He does not have access to the documents nor is the person that supposedly created them alive. CBS is able to hide under the confidentially of sources and only internal pressure within the organization or their peers will be able to resolve.

He can state that the info in the docs are false, however, he has no way to prove it. Instead of opening his mouth and allow attacks to occur on what he may state, he is not stating anything.

Because of the documents origins are in questions, it does not imply a duck and run for cover.

When the Swift attacks occur, Kerry did not try to properly counterattack. His response was incomplete, leading to more questions and providing an impression of truth.

 

1EZduzit

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Congressman might be politically motivated to get in this mess? But they stand to gain nothing if they are wrong, only embaressment and it might hurt their reelection bids when it comes up. Why should they put that on the line? Perhaps someone has "let the dogs out"? That's my take on it.

Falsifacation of documents? First, you have to PROVE them false, then you have to PROVE who forged them. Like that's going to happen.

We will wait and see what CBS does, but I see no reason for them to reveal their source. I disagree as to who is benifiting from this issue. There is still a lot of unaswered questions about GWB's ANG service record. Where was he for 6 months? Why didn't he just take his scheduled physical? You seem to forget those facts. This story brings those facts to light also. I would hardly call that good for GWB.

GWB never denounced the SBVFTT ads and Kerry will never denounce this either. If left unaddressed by Bush, this issue will blow over and it will cost GWB votes.

So, will Bush have the guts to call these documents false? Of course not, but not for the reasons you give, but because he knows what the real truth is.
 

EagleKeeper

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We seem to have come close to a meaning of the minds.

Let others take up the banner of hypocrisy now
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
We seem to have come close to a meaning of the minds.

Let others take up the banner of hypocrisy now

It was fun and it will be intresting to see how it actually plays out.

Till next time
 

burnedout

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Meanwhile, the Boston Globe has retracted its erroneous Bouffard headline, which misrepresented his views on the authenticity of the CBS documents.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

This signifies a success for the INDCJournal
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe has retracted its erroneous Bouffard headline, which misrepresented his views on the authenticity of the CBS documents.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

This signifies a success for the INDCJournal

Nobody says they are absoultley false, do they.
 

GoPackGo

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Oct 10, 2003
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe has retracted its erroneous Bouffard headline, which misrepresented his views on the authenticity of the CBS documents.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

This signifies a success for the INDCJournal

Go CBS and Dan Rather....go away that is.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: burnedout
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe has retracted its erroneous Bouffard headline, which misrepresented his views on the authenticity of the CBS documents.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

This signifies a success for the INDCJournal

Nobody says they are absoultley false, do they.

I haven't heard President Bush denounce the documents yet???
 

Gaard

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Feb 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: burnedout
Meanwhile, the Boston Globe has retracted its erroneous Bouffard headline, which misrepresented his views on the authenticity of the CBS documents.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

This signifies a success for the INDCJournal

Nobody says they are absoultley false, do they.

I haven't heard President Bush denounce the documents yet???

He will in a few days. Gotta give it time, you know. You know how these things work.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Rather Talks of Questions on Papers - Washington Post

Rather said he was "relieved and pleased" by Knox's comments that the disputed memos reflected Killian's view of the favorable treatment that Bush received in the military unit. But he said, "I take very seriously her belief that the documents are not authentic." If Knox is right, Rather said, the public "won't hear about it from a spokesman. They'll learn it from me."

But he also delivered a message to "our journalistic competitors," including The Washington Post and rival networks: "Instead of asking President Bush and his staff questions about what is true and not true about the president's military service, they ask me questions: 'How do you know this and that about the documents?' "

Good stuff.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: burnedout
CBS documents traced to Abilene, Texas Kinkos.

Bill Burkett lives near Abilene. Maybe Newsweek is right afterall.

In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.

How many more times will they "find" more documents? Is this all of them now? Sure it is, LOL.

 

gistech1978

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has it occured to anyone here that the whitehouse, namely karl rove had those memos fabricated themselves so they could decry them as outright forgeries and blame the democrats for playing dirty pool?

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: gistech1978
has it occured to anyone here that the whitehouse, namely karl rove had those memos fabricated themselves so they could decry them as outright forgeries and blame the democrats for playing dirty pool?
Yep...everyone wearing a tinfoil hat has thought of that.

 

gistech1978

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: gistech1978
has it occured to anyone here that the whitehouse, namely karl rove had those memos fabricated themselves so they could decry them as outright forgeries and blame the democrats for playing dirty pool?
Yep...everyone wearing a tinfoil hat has thought of that.

cute.

 
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