Rathergate

[EagleKeeper]

My concern is that the way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

What???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

What???

"CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source." What part confuses you?

CsG

 

[1EZduzit]

The part about the source. Why is there a reason to reveal the source? They haven't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are forgeries. They probably are, but who knows for sure? No one does AFAIK.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The part about the source. Why is there a reason to reveal the source? They haven't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are forgeries. They probably are, but who knows for sure? No one does AFAIK.

But we're sure Bush went AWOL?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The part about the source. Why is there a reason to reveal the source? They haven't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are forgeries. They probably are, but who knows for sure? No one does AFAIK.

Umm -because the authenticity has been shown to be in question. Only the source and prove it one way or the other.
Bring on the source. Lets see the originals.

For some reason - I don't think blather will pony up the source so we can see the originals. Oh well, it's his(and cBS's) credibility on the line.

CsG

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

It's your opinion that if the documents aren't forged CBS shouldn't reveal their sources?

 

[chess9]

Bush could always take a lie detector test.

Let Rather ask the questions!

Bwuahahahahaha!

By the way, Cox should be careful what he wishes for. The last thing Bush needs is for this little drama to keep making headlines. Cox's proposal may be the dumbest thing a Republican has done in, oh, 2 days.

-Robert

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Bush can not make a statement one way or another. He has no way of knowing if his superior wrote said things. You are using poor logic, I suggest you take a intro to logic at a local CC.

Logic, would say if CBS can not prove they are real, which they have yet to do, they are not real. You cant go backwords and say they are real until proven false. Logically that makes no sense.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

It's your opinion that if the documents aren't forged CBS shouldn't reveal their sources?

This is typical procedure for journalist, But I am thinking rather is no longer a journalist at this point.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

Because you say so?? Because Rather pissed off the righties? Wrong again.

If CBS finds out they are forgeries, then they can divluge their source. If they can't prove they're forgeries then they have a responsibility to keep their source confidential. That's the way it works.

If GWB would just come out and say they have to be forgeries because it's all lies, that might force CBS's hand. The White House has not questioned their authenticity. Too bad for the righties, your fearless leader has let you down. He won't denounce them because he can't. He can't because he is afraid someone might be able to prove him a liar. End of story.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: charrison


This is typical procedure for journalist, But I am thinking rather is no longer a journalist at this point.

No, he is rather a joke


My favorite Rather joke relevant to Rather spin:




Dan Rather, Reverend Jesse Jackson, NPR reporter Cokie Roberts, and an American Marine were hiking through the jungle one day when they were captured by cannibals. They were tied up, led to the village and brought before the chief.

The chief said, "I am familiar with your western custom of granting the condemned a last wish. Before we kill and eat you, do you have any last requests?"

Dan Rather said, "Well, I'm a Texan; so I'd like one last bowl of hot, spicy chili." The chief nodded to an underling, who left and returned with the chili. Rather ate it all and said, "Now I can die content."

Jesse Jackson said, "You know, the thing in this life I am proudest of is my work on behalf of the poor and oppressed. So before I go, I want to sing "We Shall Overcome" one last time."

The chief said, "Go right ahead, we're listening." Jackson sang the song, and then said, "Now I can die in peace."

Cokie Roberts said, "I'm a reporter to the end. I want to take out my tape recorder and describe the scene here and what's about to happen. Maybe someday someone will hear it and know that I was on the job 'til the end." The chief directed an aide to hand over the tape recorder, and Roberts dictated some comments. She then said, "Now I can die happy."

The chief turned and said, "And now, Mr. Marine, what is your final wish?"

"Kick me in the ass," said the Marine.

"What?" said the chief. "Will you mock us in your last hour?"

"No, I'm not kidding. I want you to kick me in the ass," insisted the Marine. So the chief shoved him into the open, and kicked him in the ass.

The Marine went sprawling, but rolled to his knees, pulled a M9 9mm pistol from his waistband, and shot the chief dead.

In the resulting confusion, he leapt to his ALICE pack, pulled out his M4 carbine, and sprayed the cannibals with gunfire. In a flash, the cannibals were dead or fleeing for their lives.

As the Marine was untying the others, they asked him, "Why didn't you just shoot them? Why did you ask them to kick you in the ass?"

"What?" said the Marine, "And have you assholes call ME the aggressor?"

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

It's your opinion that if the documents aren't forged CBS shouldn't reveal their sources?

This is typical procedure for journalist, But I am thinking rather is no longer a journalist at this point.

Yes, but what's your opinion dude? Because these documents appear to be forgeries, the sources should be revealed? And if they're not forgeries, no. Right? Remember when you linked to a couple of bogus stories by...oh I forget the paper, but you remember, right? It appeared that those stories were bogus (and later proven to be such) so you would call for their sources to be revealed? How about Novak? What's your position on that?

Sorry for all the Qs, but I'm just trying to understand the mindset of those saying CBS should reveal their sources. It's not "If questions are raised, sources should be revealed", is it?

Oh, and one more thing. What's with people calling for Rather's head? I'm not familiar with how news magazines work, are those who do the story on TV the actual investigators or something? Rather isn't producer of the show, is he?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

Because you say so?? Because Rather pissed off the righties? Wrong again.

If CBS finds out they are forgeries, then they can divluge their source. If they can't prove they're forgeries then they have a responsibility to keep their source confidential. That's the way it works.

There is little question that they are fake. Pretty much every document expert has called them as such.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

Because you say so?? Because Rather pissed off the righties? Wrong again.

If CBS finds out they are forgeries, then they can divluge their source. If they can't prove they're forgeries then they have a responsibility to keep their source confidential. That's the way it works.

There is little question that they are fake. Pretty much every document expert has called them as such.

Show me one who can prove that. Just one with unrefuteable proof.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

Because you say so?? Because Rather pissed off the righties? Wrong again.

If CBS finds out they are forgeries, then they can divluge their source. If they can't prove they're forgeries then they have a responsibility to keep their source confidential. That's the way it works.

If GWB would just come out and say they have to be forgeries because it's all lies, that might force CBS's hand. The White House has not questioned their authenticity. Too bad for the righties, your fearless leader has let you down. He won't denounce them because he can't. He can't because he is afraid someone might be able to prove him a liar. End of story.

No, the docs have not been authenticated like blather tried to claim. They are COPIES that have been questioned by REAL experts. Experts who state that looking at the originals is the only way to prove their authenticity. blather needs to pony up the docs, lest he ruin his career over this.

What GW says is not what is at issue here and for you to continue to claim he should make a statement on their authenticity is asinine, especially considering that he wouldn't have seen some of these memos IF they are infact authentic instead of questionable forgeries.

Pony up the originals blather.

CsG

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
My concern is that they way a question may be put to a person.

Just like public opinion polls, the wording of the question can lead to an entire differnet answer.
Also, just the way the questioner presents themselves and expains what they are doing can generate a bias.

An elderly lady is now being asked for her opinions with respect to a national media issue.
She gets her 15 minutes of fame if she answers the question one way vs another.

Too many variables exist with respect to this mess to be able to sort it out.

CBS does not have to reveal their source (their choice), but at least put the actual (not copies) documents out there for review.

At a bare minimum, lab tests may be able to disprove the ink/paper came from the current time frame.

CBS does not have orignals. Since these documents appear to be forged, there is no reason to continue to hide the source.

They should have the original ?forgery?

If all they can produce is photocopies, then the source must have the original ?forgery?.

They can produce the original (of what ever type) without compremising the source (based on their standards).

If the documents are non-classified docuements (and I have not read/seen anything to indicate differently), there is no reason that they can not be produced. If CBS can not do so, they are perpetuating the fraud. It would seem to be in their best interests if they believe the docs to be legit to produce them.

Prove that they are not authentic copies. You can't. Nobody can. If CBS knows they are forgeries, then they should reveal the source. First it has to be proven they are forgeries.

Let GWB declare them to be lies. He won't. That alone is reason enough to cast doubt that they may not be forgeries. I say it's time for GWB to put up or shut up.

Again, it can't be proved either way until the originals show up. At this point the documents have been shown to be forgeries with the only caveat that they aren't the originals. It is now cBS's job to show that the documents are infact real and not forgeries. cBS should have known better than to run with only copies of the documents - they are now paying the price for their arrogance.

It's time for cBS to put up or shut up - it's their "story"(and reputation) that is in shambles. The only way to fix both is for them to pony up the original documents. It would truly be sad if cBS continued to let a source ruin their already shaky reputation.

Pony up the docs blather.

CsG

Because you say so?? Because Rather pissed off the righties? Wrong again.

If CBS finds out they are forgeries, then they can divluge their source. If they can't prove they're forgeries then they have a responsibility to keep their source confidential. That's the way it works.

There is little question that they are fake. Pretty much every document expert has called them as such.

Show me one who can prove that. Just one with unrefuteable proof.

CBS's own experts had questions with the documents.
PRetty much anyone who knows anything about typesettings thinks they are forged.
ABC thinks they are forged

and

Frank Abagnale, played by Leonardo DiCaprio in the 2002 Steven Spielberg movie "Catch Me If You Can." In an email to FOX News Channel's Neil Cavuto, Abagnale wrote, "If my forgeries looked as bad as the CBS documents, it would have been, 'Catch Me In Two Days.' "


:Q

linkage

 

[Ozoned]

CBS has a track record of getting it wrong


Sorting Out More CBS 'Facts'
I was poking around the CBS site and came across a timeline for Kerry's military service. It's very abbreviated, and very wrong on some points. I suppose that's hardly surprising. CBS doesn't have a stellar reputation for recognizing facts from fiction (or forgeries). But I thought it worth making the point just how egregious is the behavior of CBS.

Here's the appropriate section to the CBS timeline, followed by the similar section on the Kerry campaign website:



Check it out. A good blog.

 

[maluckey]

Charrison,

You should rephrase your statement to read "Not one expert in the forensic document field has been willing to verify that the documents in question could be legitimate." The reason is that nobody so far has seen an original, to include the "expert" hired by CBS to verify the signature. This expert oly claimed that in their oponion, the signature appeared valid, though from a Photocopy, it could not be guaranteed.

 

[1EZduzit]

Experts who state that looking at the originals is the only way to prove their authenticity. blather needs to pony up the docs, lest he ruin his career over this.

"blather" might not be as dumb as you think

It is only conjecture that CBS can get it's hands on the originals. Nobody except CBS knows that. If the source wishes to remain confidential, the CBS has a decision to make. Reveal a source who is possibly innocent or just maintain teh status quo. It seems it is up to them, just like GWB's silence on the matter is up to him.

Welcome to the SBVFTT style politics. Ain't it just peachy

 

[1EZduzit]

CBS's own experts had questions with the documents.
PRetty much anyone who knows anything about typesettings thinks they are forged.
ABC thinks they are forged

And I don't care what Frank Abagnale thinks. He was a check forger.

I see no absolute proof here, just questions and opinions.