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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I still think they did make typewriters that could do what the experts question
Dan?
is that you?

FYI

The Freedom of Information Center
Papers: Bush Piloted Guard Training Jets

By MATT KELLEY
Associated Press
September 10, 2004

WASHINGTON - After routinely piloting a fighter jet solo for most of his career, George W. Bush began flying a two-seat jet designed for training in the weeks just before the Texas Air National Guard stripped him of his pilot's privileges in 1972, flight logs show.

The logs indicate Bush did half of his final 21 flights in a training jet or simulator, and on four occasions he sat in the co-pilot's position after more than a year of commanding a single-seat F-102A fighter by himself.

The logs also show the future president was heavily focused at the end of his pilot time on flying by instruments - a skill he mastered during his initial training three years earlier with near-perfect scores of 97 and 98.

The White House said it cannot explain why Bush was using a training plane when he had risen to the rank of first lieutenant as a solo flyer of a fighter jet.

But officials noted the activities occurred in the spring of 1972 when Bush was trying to cram in extensive required flying time before he left the Guard for six months to work on a political campaign in Alabama.

"He did his training and was honorably discharged," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said.

The numerous trainer and simulator flights occurred at a period most heavily examined by Bush's political critics. They were among Bush's last visits to the cockpit before he refused a required pilot's physical and was stripped of his flying status after three years in the Air National Guard.

Before The Associated Press obtained the flight logs this week under the Freedom of Information Act and a related lawsuit, there was little detail about exactly how Bush performed as a pilot or what he did in the cockpit before he lost flying privileges.

Air Force experts who examined the records at the request of AP said the logs could reflect anything from problems in Bush's flight performance to a shortage of available fighter jets.

"Maybe he had a problem, but I wouldn't assume that. You can't tell," said retired Air Force Col. Leonard "Jack" Walls, a former flight instructor at an Alabama Air National Guard unit where Bush temporarily served.

The training officer who taught Bush how to fly his jet at the beginning of his career said he had no concerns about Bush's skills when he was certified. "I taught the guy and he is good," said retired Col. Maurice Udell.

For most of his National Guard career - more than 200 hours in the air - Bush flew solo in a one-seat F-102A fighter used to patrol the skies against any attacks from enemy aircraft.

However, the logs show Bush flew nine times in T-33 training jets and two more times on a simulator in February and March 1972 - nearly twice as many times as he had flown in training vehicles in the prior 18 months in the Guard.

In one week alone, he flew eight times in the T-33 training vehicle. On four of the trainer flights, Bush moved from primary pilot to co-pilot, the logs show.

The T-33 is designed to help train pilots early in their career, allowing for a more experienced pilot to sit behind a trainee before the trainee is permitted to fly solo in a single-pilot jet. Bush flew extensively in the T-33 during his pilot schooling at the beginning of his Guard career.


Just another post in the wrong thread.



CsG
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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nummie again Like I care what you think?? Get real. HS didnt' understand what I said before so I helped him out. Take some deep breaths and calm down. It is related to the story you know.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon


something smells bad here..it's gonna get worse before the smell goes away...

It's just your upper lip you're smelling HS. If you want the smell to go away, try keeping your nose out of Bush's as$hole. :Q
 

burnedout

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CBS Says Producer Violated Policy by Putting Source in Touch With Kerry Aide - New York Times

Privately, network officials said they were caught off guard on Monday when Joe Lockhart, a senior adviser to Mr. Kerry, told reporters that he had spoken to Bill Burkett, the source for the questionable documents, at the behest of Ms. Mapes.
. . . as the accolades continue rolling in for "See BS" and RAthERGATE, stay tuned.

 

burnedout

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Meanwhile, the Washington Post drives more nails into the "See BS" coffin:

White House Links Memos, Kerry Effort

The White House pounced yesterday on the disclosure that a CBS producer put the source of discredited documents about President Bush's National Guard service in touch with a senior adviser to John F. Kerry, saying this shows "coordination" between the Democratic nominee's campaign and the "60 Minutes" report.. .
Questions Surround Man Who Provided Documents

The man CBS News touted as the "unimpeachable source" of explosive documents about President Bush's National Guard service turns out to be a former Guard officer with a history of self-described mental problems who has denounced Bush as a liar with "demonic personality shortcomings.". . . .
Good old Bill. . . .
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
 

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
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They can't address the 'Content'.

Remember - the 'Content' was - and is correct, just not the photo copy paper from Kinkos.

The 'Paper' is the question, since they are not 'Originals'.
There will be more coming out on this as the subsequent investigation unfolds.

 

element

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Of course the documents are falsified, don't you know any documentation proving any wrong doing by any repub would be destroyed?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.

:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.

CsG
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.

:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.

CsG



Thanks for making my point, CsG. Avoid the CONTENT.

You see, we all know Bush avoided his physical. Even Killian's secretary has stated that the memos were based on Killian's thoughts and she typed up memos like that before. Where are THOSE memos? The Bush admin keeps saying all the documents have been released.


And McClellan the other day spouting off the White House released the memos because of its "policy of openness?" BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I just about choked to death laughing so hard when I heard him utter that bald-faced lie!!
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.

:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.

CsG



Thanks for making my point, CsG. Avoid the CONTENT.

You see, we all know Bush avoided his physical. Even Killian's secretary has stated that the memos were based on Killian's thoughts and she typed up memos like that before. Where are THOSE memos? The Bush admin keeps saying all the documents have been released.


And McClellan the other day spouting off the White House released the memos because of its "policy of openness?" BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I just about choked to death laughing so hard when I heard him utter that bald-faced lie!!

There is no "content" to discuss until the memos are authenticated. I'm not sure why you can't get that through your head.
The documents haven't been proven to be REAL, so any "content" discussion would be on UNPROVEN statements.

Pony up the docs blather/buckett/whoever buckett "claims" gave him the docs today so THEN we can discuss the "contents" if proven authentic. Until then you are all just pissing in the wind as usual.

CsG
 

conjur

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/21/213611/237
DNC: Will GOP Answer If They Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
by GWBblows
Wed Sep 22nd, 2004 at 01:36:11 GMT

Sep 21, 2004
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

"In today's New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political `dirty tricks' while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

"Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone's relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone's involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?"

http://www.democrats.org/news/200409210001.html
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
There is no "content" to discuss until the memos are authenticated. I'm not sure why you can't get that through your head.
The documents haven't been proven to be REAL, so any "content" discussion would be on UNPROVEN statements.

Pony up the docs blather/buckett/whoever buckett "claims" gave him the docs today so THEN we can discuss the "contents" if proven authentic. Until then you are all just pissing in the wind as usual.

CsG

What *you* can't get through your thick head is that the REAL memos are MISSING. Where are they? Why did Bush have his National Guard records scrubbed in 1997?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/21/213611/237
DNC: Will GOP Answer If They Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
by GWBblows
Wed Sep 22nd, 2004 at 01:36:11 GMT

Sep 21, 2004
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

"In today's New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political `dirty tricks' while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

"Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone's relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone's involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?"

http://www.democrats.org/news/200409210001.html

Another thread already exists on that subject, I guess you missed that, huh?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.

:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.

CsG

If you had an Internet button that you could push that would reach out and knock some common sense into people, it would not help.

An answer that might be palatable on the 'comment on the lie, please' tactic is this:


Rove is a genius and Terry McAuliffe is at best, average....




"the REAL memos are MISSING" Got proof? Nope....

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/21/213611/237
DNC: Will GOP Answer If They Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
by GWBblows
Wed Sep 22nd, 2004 at 01:36:11 GMT

Sep 21, 2004
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

"In today's New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political `dirty tricks' while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

"Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone's relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone's involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?"

http://www.democrats.org/news/200409210001.html

Yep, back to the old excuse. Blame it on Bush/Rove. Nice try but there isn't enough tin-foil around for everyone. You might try looking into WHY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN used this stuff in a release back in the spring. Pretty damning once you toss in the fact that a kerry advisor called buckett at cBS's request.

conjur is once again at the wrong tree trying to bleat the latest talking points he lapped up(and is a late with) from none other than democrats.org and dailykos.com. LMAO!!!!

CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
There is no "content" to discuss until the memos are authenticated. I'm not sure why you can't get that through your head.
The documents haven't been proven to be REAL, so any "content" discussion would be on UNPROVEN statements.

Pony up the docs blather/buckett/whoever buckett "claims" gave him the docs today so THEN we can discuss the "contents" if proven authentic. Until then you are all just pissing in the wind as usual.

CsG

What *you* can't get through your thick head is that the REAL memos are MISSING. Where are they? Why did Bush have his National Guard records scrubbed in 1997?

Umm - no. We have no "proof" that these memos exist or ever did exist.

So again, why should the "content" of some unproven/unauthenticated memo, that the kerry campaign used in the spring and now through cBS, be discussed? That's right - it shouldn't until it's proven. You can speculate all you want but it's your side's allegations and the burden is on you if you want to use them.

CsG
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/21/213611/237
DNC: Will GOP Answer If They Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
by GWBblows
Wed Sep 22nd, 2004 at 01:36:11 GMT

Sep 21, 2004
McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?
Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

"In today's New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political `dirty tricks' while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

"Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone's relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone's involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?"

http://www.democrats.org/news/200409210001.html

Yep, back to the old excuse. Blame it on Bush/Rove. Nice try but there isn't enough tin-foil around for everyone. You might try looking into WHY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN used this stuff in a release back in the spring. Pretty damning once you toss in the fact that a kerry advisor called buckett at cBS's request.

conjur is once again at the wrong tree trying to bleat the latest talking points he lapped up(and is a late with) from none other than democrats.org and dailykos.com. LMAO!!!!

CsG

The Kerry campaign worker, Lockhart, who, btw, has been running the gamut of morning talk shows and blistering Dan Bartlett in the process, only made a 3-4 min. phone call after CBS had already been in contact with Burkett. Lockhart had nothing to do with the CBS show.

No, CsG, you're just spinning away from the CONTENT of the memos which has never been fully addressed by Bush.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
The Kerry campaign worker, Lockhart, who, btw, has been running the gamut of morning talk shows and blistering Dan Bartlett in the process, only made a 3-4 min. phone call after CBS had already been in contact with Burkett. Lockhart had nothing to do with the CBS show.

No, CsG, you're just spinning away from the CONTENT of the memos which has never been fully addressed by Bush.

Now exactly WHY would Lockhard call some disgruntled supporter? To hear ideas? Are you for real?

And no, the memo's "content" is not worth of addressing until the documents are authenticated. Continue on trying to divert the discussion with your propaganda talking points though.

CsG
 
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The CONTENT meme is cracking me up. What a stretch.

'Sure this is a counterfeit $100 bill, but the money is still good. Where's my change, biaatch!'
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
The Kerry campaign worker, Lockhart, who, btw, has been running the gamut of morning talk shows and blistering Dan Bartlett in the process, only made a 3-4 min. phone call after CBS had already been in contact with Burkett. Lockhart had nothing to do with the CBS show.

No, CsG, you're just spinning away from the CONTENT of the memos which has never been fully addressed by Bush.

Now exactly WHY would Lockhard call some disgruntled supporter? To hear ideas? Are you for real?

And no, the memo's "content" is not worth of addressing until the documents are authenticated. Continue on trying to divert the discussion with your propaganda talking points though.

CsG
Lockhart was told that it was someone upset with the campaign's handling of the Swiftboat Liars. Why wouldn't he talk to him?

And, again I see you divert again from the CONTENT. The CONTENT is known. Killian's secretary has stated as such and we KNOW Bush avoided the physical. That's a FACT.
 

burnedout

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Still referencing crap from Markos "Screw Them" Zuniga's moonbats, I see.

Please allow me the opportunity to at least understand the reasoning of today's "enlightened" (read: intellectually bankrupt) left. When a poster on the right mentions the NY Post, the content contained therein is immediately dismissed simply because the NYP is part of Rupert Murdoch's "Faux News" organization. But if a member of the 'enlightened left' references the NYP, well by golly, then the content suddenly must be absolutely true!

By George, I've got it now!

You are aware that up until 18 hours ago, even Google considered idiocy from the "Daily Kos" as satire, right?
 

conjur

No Lifer
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How about addressing the CONTENT, burnedout? The issue at hand...why did Bush skip his phyical? Where are the original memos upon which the CBS memos were based?
 

CaptnKirk

Lifer
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NY Post, the content contained therein is immediately dismissed simply because the NYP is part of Rupert Murdoch's "Faux News" organization

Close, but no cigar.

Washington Times is Reverend Moon's GOP mouthpeice.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.

Bush lies about everything else, you would think he would have no problem with addressing this issue.

I'm interested in why he was flying in a T-33 trainer and on half those flights wasn't even pilot-in-command? WTF is up with that?? He either was having problems (I thought he was such a good pilot) or since he was such a good pilot was being trained as an instructor, but didn't want to be one (must of had more IMPORTANT things to do).

 
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