Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
Bush lies about everything else, you would think he would have no problem with addressing this issue.
I'm interested in why he was flying in a T-33 trainer and on half those flights wasn't even pilot-in-command? WTF is up with that?? He either was having problems (I thought he was such a good pilot) or since he was such a good pilot was being trained as an instructor, but didn't want to be one (must of had more IMPORTANT things to do).
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The CONTENT meme is cracking me up. What a stretch.
'Sure this is a counterfeit $100 bill, but the money is still good. Where's my change, biaatch!'
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
Bush lies about everything else, you would think he would have no problem with addressing this issue.
I'm interested in why he was flying in a T-33 trainer and on half those flights wasn't even pilot-in-command? WTF is up with that?? He either was having problems (I thought he was such a good pilot) or since he was such a good pilot was being trained as an instructor, but didn't want to be one (must of had more IMPORTANT things to do).
And thats a problem? I don't see one. Maybe some other current/former Air Force guys can back me up on this one?
Wanna play more of your typically stupidassed little games, conjur? Very well.Originally posted by: conjur
How about addressing the CONTENT, burnedout? The issue at hand...why did Bush skip his phyical? Where are the original memos upon which the CBS memos were based?
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
Bush lies about everything else, you would think he would have no problem with addressing this issue.
I'm interested in why he was flying in a T-33 trainer and on half those flights wasn't even pilot-in-command? WTF is up with that?? He either was having problems (I thought he was such a good pilot) or since he was such a good pilot was being trained as an instructor, but didn't want to be one (must of had more IMPORTANT things to do).
And thats a problem? I don't see one. Maybe some other current/former Air Force guys can back me up on this one?
After spending a million dollars on his training and his great evaluations, I see it pointing to a problem. Let's see his 60 pages of medical records from that time. He won't release those, will he. What is he hiding?
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
The content is verified by 3 different people all in a position to know what was going on. Since Bush has gotten us into another Vietnam scenario, I think the content is very revelant. He is asking for "heros" to step forward and fight for Iraqi's freedom, something he doesn't appear to have been willing to do when it was his turn. Some leader for the troops to look up to. Zero credibility on his part until he addresses the CONTENT.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
The content is verified by 3 different people all in a position to know what was going on. Since Bush has gotten us into another Vietnam scenario, I think the content is very revelant. He is asking for "heros" to step forward and fight for Iraqi's freedom, something he doesn't appear to have been willing to do when it was his turn. Some leader for the troops to look up to. Zero credibility on his part until he addresses the CONTENT.
No content has been verified by anyone. Until the originals are produced, if such things even exist - which seems doubtful, their claims are nothing but partisan BS (and the sweet, little old lady even admitted as much). There are others, such as Killian's son and wife) who directly rebut their claims as well.
You got nuthin'.
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:
WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!
Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!
Edit:
"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."
I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.
What the hell do you mean they were in no position to know what was going on? Killian's son worked with his father in the ANG. And we're talking about his wife here, a lady who was with him most every day of his life. Not some old bag in the typist pool who had merely a passing familiarity with Killian.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
The content is verified by 3 different people all in a position to know what was going on. Since Bush has gotten us into another Vietnam scenario, I think the content is very revelant. He is asking for "heros" to step forward and fight for Iraqi's freedom, something he doesn't appear to have been willing to do when it was his turn. Some leader for the troops to look up to. Zero credibility on his part until he addresses the CONTENT.
No content has been verified by anyone. Until the originals are produced, if such things even exist - which seems doubtful, their claims are nothing but partisan BS (and the sweet, little old lady even admitted as much). There are others, such as Killian's son and wife) who directly rebut their claims as well.
You got nuthin'.
Wrong again. Killians son and wife were in no position to know what was going on. The sweet old lady (and 2 other people) have stated that the contents are accurate. The sweet old lady also laughed when asked if Killian's son would no anything.
GWB already made a statement on the memos.Let's face it, we're all being partisan on this issue. Let GWB specifically deny the content and then we can get back to bashing CBS and the DNC. Until then it's just partisian politics whith both sides claiming they're right. Until GWB makes a statemnt or does an interview I will remain a skeptic. If he wants respect from the troops and wants "heros" he needs to prove he is an honorable leader.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:
WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!
Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!
Edit:
"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."
I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.
Then show me that the other pilots just didn't bother with taking their scheduled physicals.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
What the hell do you mean they were in no position to know what was going on? Killian's son worked with his father in the ANG. And we're talking about his wife here, a lady who was with him most every day of his life. Not some old bag in the typist pool who had merely a passing familiarity with Killian.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
The content is verified by 3 different people all in a position to know what was going on. Since Bush has gotten us into another Vietnam scenario, I think the content is very revelant. He is asking for "heros" to step forward and fight for Iraqi's freedom, something he doesn't appear to have been willing to do when it was his turn. Some leader for the troops to look up to. Zero credibility on his part until he addresses the CONTENT.
No content has been verified by anyone. Until the originals are produced, if such things even exist - which seems doubtful, their claims are nothing but partisan BS (and the sweet, little old lady even admitted as much). There are others, such as Killian's son and wife) who directly rebut their claims as well.
You got nuthin'.
Wrong again. Killians son and wife were in no position to know what was going on. The sweet old lady (and 2 other people) have stated that the contents are accurate. The sweet old lady also laughed when asked if Killian's son would no anything.
GWB already made a statement on the memos.Let's face it, we're all being partisan on this issue. Let GWB specifically deny the content and then we can get back to bashing CBS and the DNC. Until then it's just partisian politics whith both sides claiming they're right. Until GWB makes a statemnt or does an interview I will remain a skeptic. If he wants respect from the troops and wants "heros" he needs to prove he is an honorable leader.
Originally posted by: Ornery
"All the talk about Rather is just that, talk about Rather."
Yes, I do believe that's what this topic is about after all. No matter how much you want to change the topic, or wish it away... IT'S HERE TO STAY! :laugh:
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:
WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!
Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!
Edit:
"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."
I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.
Then show me that the other pilots just didn't bother with taking their scheduled physicals.
WTF? That is the USAF rules. If you don't believe me talk to ANY USAF or ANG member.
I know from personal experience. I had to take flight physicals, although I was not a pliot, but a Electronic Warfare Officer, since I was in a flight crew I was still required to take them. But when I stopped flying I didn't take my flight phyicals. This is not usual practice. Why do you find that so hard to believe?
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
Thanks for making my point, CsG. Avoid the CONTENT.
You see, we all know Bush avoided his physical. Even Killian's secretary has stated that the memos were based on Killian's thoughts and she typed up memos like that before. Where are THOSE memos? The Bush admin keeps saying all the documents have been released.
And McClellan the other day spouting off the White House released the memos because of its "policy of openness?" BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I just about choked to death laughing so hard when I heard him utter that bald-faced lie!!
Originally posted by: Buz2b
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Matt Lauer on this morning's Today Show questioned Dan Bartlett about the CONTENT of the documents and why isn't the administration answering questions related to the CONTENT.
:roll: ofcourse the "content" isn't relevant until the documents are proven to be authentic.
CsG
Thanks for making my point, CsG. Avoid the CONTENT.
You see, we all know Bush avoided his physical. Even Killian's secretary has stated that the memos were based on Killian's thoughts and she typed up memos like that before. Where are THOSE memos? The Bush admin keeps saying all the documents have been released.
And McClellan the other day spouting off the White House released the memos because of its "policy of openness?" BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I just about choked to death laughing so hard when I heard him utter that bald-faced lie!!
I'll make the same point I did before. How can you say the content of false documents is true? And before you even mention it, for every "witness" you can provide, I can name at least one to state the opposite.
Ok, I'll conjur up and post a document supposedly from a doctor (which I'm not) about you, stating that you had a mental condition years ago that you are now hiding from your employer. Clearly (well, let's assume..J/K) that would be false because the document is a false one and I'm not a doctor. Based on your logic then, saying and proving the document is false isn't enough. That does not prove that the CONTENT is false. Based on that I could demand that you PROVE it is false and demand that you provide the originals because there must be some originals. This false document must have been based on the originals, right?!?! So you need to provide the original documents proving your innocence and until you do that, just saying my document is false is trying to avoid the truth of the document. You're just trying to change the subject because the facts of that false document are true.
Yet, even now you cannot see how laughable that is?!?! It's pure idiocy and just shows how desparate your side is getting.
Can you prove this? Please provide absolute proof this happened, and not conjecture from some disgruntled ex-NG.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, if GWB hadn't hired a team to "scrub" his record we might be able to provide the originals.
We have 3 people making claims they can't provide any solid proof of. Or is it the number that counts? We have tens of Swiftboat Vets who claim Kerry is a liar too. And?We have produced 3 people who were there at the time that can confirm the CONTENT is accurate. Now let GWB personally rebuke their statments.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:
WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!
Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!
Edit:
"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."
I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.
Then show me that the other pilots just didn't bother with taking their scheduled physicals.
WTF? That is the USAF rules. If you don't believe me talk to ANY USAF or ANG member.
I know from personal experience. I had to take flight physicals, although I was not a pliot, but a Electronic Warfare Officer, since I was in a flight crew I was still required to take them. But when I stopped flying I didn't take my flight phyicals. This is not usual practice. Why do you find that so hard to believe?
I don't beleive for a minute that a pilot with a million dollars worth of training can just take it upon himself to not take a required physical. He WAS grounded for not taking the physical. It appears to me that he didn't want to fly anymore and he didn't care what his superiors wanted out of him. Not exactly what he commited to when he signed up and got put at the head of the line.
I believe that in the words of Marion Knox, not to take your flight physical was a "big no no".
[Note: Material from the NY Post is now viewed as credible by conjur, DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe and Markos "Screw Them" Zuniga. Any future comments, threats, sniveling, etc. should be directed to one of these three individuals. Thank you.]CBS faces a multimillion-dollar revolt by advertisers and viewers upset by the forged memos and eroding confidence in news anchor Dan Rather.
"The real asset of the 'Evening News with Dan Rather' is its credibility," said veteran media consultant Fraser Seitel of Emerald Partners.
"Without credibility, ratings will diminish and advertisers are going to pull out as ratings keep dropping," he said. "This is definitely going to hurt revenue and margins."
Experts say ad executives and their big clients are concerned whether viewers might be suspicious of products associated with the show, and lose their trust in the brands.
"I don't know of any companies ready to pull out yet, but if it happens it would be done later ? quietly," said Bill Carroll, director of programming for Katz Media, which buys TV commercial airtime for companies. . . .
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.
It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.
If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.
I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:
WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!
Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!
Edit:
"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."
I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.
Then show me that the other pilots just didn't bother with taking their scheduled physicals.
WTF? That is the USAF rules. If you don't believe me talk to ANY USAF or ANG member.
I know from personal experience. I had to take flight physicals, although I was not a pliot, but a Electronic Warfare Officer, since I was in a flight crew I was still required to take them. But when I stopped flying I didn't take my flight phyicals. This is not usual practice. Why do you find that so hard to believe?
I don't beleive for a minute that a pilot with a million dollars worth of training can just take it upon himself to not take a required physical. He WAS grounded for not taking the physical. It appears to me that he didn't want to fly anymore and he didn't care what his superiors wanted out of him. Not exactly what he commited to when he signed up and got put at the head of the line.
I believe that in the words of Marion Knox, not to take your flight physical was a "big no no".
And your basis for your reasoning is:? I forgot your very well versed on AF regs.
Sorry. I won't bring this up again.