Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grasping for straws with questionble sources in yet another hopelessly inept argument. Coming from you, however, such intellectual incompetence is not all surprising.Originally posted by: conjur
I never said the NY Post was credible so don't put words in my mouth. Because Kos merely mentioned an article in the Post is not accepting the Post as credible. There are rumors floating around before the Post even picked it up.
CBS appoints two-person panel to investigate its National Guard story
9/22/2004, 12:48 p.m. ET
By DAVID BAUDER
The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) ? CBS News appointed former U.S. Attorney General Dick Thornburgh and former Associated Press chief executive Louis Boccardi to investigate what went wrong with its story on President Bush's service in the National Guard.
Thornburgh is a former two-term governor of Pennsylvania and served as attorney general in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. . . . .
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Glad you found the term so clever. There's hope for you yet.Originally posted by: conjur
"intellectual incompetence"? Like "See BS"? Wow...how clever. From what right-wing talk radio host did you get that from?
Let me just run this by you again, until it can sink in: This particular topic is about Dan Rather's HUGE blunder, no matter how much you want to change it.Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Ornery
"All the talk about Rather is just that, talk about Rather."
Yes, I do believe that's what this topic is about after all. No matter how much you want to change the topic, or wish it away... IT'S HERE TO STAY! :laugh:
Let me guess..... you think the Swiftboat Idiots that Lie are telling the truth, eh?
The Los Angeles Times "outed" Buckhead Friday night.
Last week, you may have seen what we reported on Countdown about the leader of the Blog pack who so quickly and with such surprising skill went after the dicey Killian Memos produced (and I mean that in both ways) by CBS News. His posts to FreeRepublic left the tracks of some of his identity, and we noted it: his Georgia base (hence the on-line handle), his contention that he was highly placed among Republican attorneys, his on-call status in the event that Bush '04 needed lawyers the way Bush '00 needed lawyers.
The L.A. Times connected the rest of the dots, and would that they drew a nice easy-to-digest picture of some lawyer/computer geek, or lawyer/typewriter fancier, or any of the other healthy fanatics the blogosphere has produced.
Nope.
This one's a Conservative activist with a connection to Ken Starr.
Harry W. MacDougald, of Atlanta, the law firm of Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice, the Federalist Society, and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, admitted he is "Buckhead" when the Times found him Friday, but would say nothing else. "You can ask the questions but I'm not going to answer them."
So, we'll ask anyway. There sure are a lot to ask.
They're mostly about that Southeastern Legal Foundation. It was the group that petitioned the Arkansas bar to revoke, or suspend, President Clinton's license to practice law, based on his false testimony in the Paula Jones case. Buckhead MacDougald was one of the lawyers who drew up the petition.
So maybe he's an activist lawyer with a font fetish. So what?
Except that Buckhead MacDougald also worked with the SLF's legal challenge against the campaign finance law we now call McCain-Feingold. Went all the way to the Supreme Court, that one did, underwritten by the Southeastern Legal Foundation, and Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, and handled up the legal chain by an attorney named Kenneth Starr.
I'm remembering the name. I'm having trouble placing the face.
Within four hours of CBS broadcasting the dubious paperwork, this man was, to use the parlance of Radioactive Man, "Up and At Them!" A complete mechanical and historical breakdown of the history of the font type, the IBM Selectric typewriter, the capacity of Microsoft Windows to produce such documents, and a call to arms for all other bloggers rightly suspicious of the Killian Memos.
I wrote here not long after it all broke that since doubtful doc-u-dramas had been a part of the Presidential Campaign landscape since 1844, that it really would be a nice innovation if somebody had had the cajones to self-forge? just for the novelty of the thing. At about the same time, Democratic chairman Terry McAuliffe speculated on the same possibility, and even fingered Karl Rove, who has in the past been suspected of tapping his own candidate's phone, and dropping off his own candidate's debate practice tape, to make himself and his team look like injured parties.
Buckhead's identity does nothing to confirm that bit of political science fiction.
Sadly, though, in this time when you are presumed conspiratorial until proved individualistic, the fact that somebody could, if they wanted to, draw a line from Ken Starr and Mitch McConnell through Harry "Buckhead" MacDougald to the lightning-fast doubt-raising about the Killian memos? means that a lot of somebodies will.
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting...so...this Macdougald guy within mere moments of the story's airing has all of this font, typewriter, etc. information and the guy is but a lawyer? How'd he get so knowledgeable about typewriters and fonts in mere moments? Was he tipped off? Hmmm...by whom? Stone? Rove?
The 'lynching' of Dan RatherThis is not a story about Dan Rather. The white millionaire celebrity can defend himself without my help. This is really a story about fear, the fear that stops other reporters in the US from following the evidence about this Administration to where it leads. American news guys and news gals, practicing their smiles, adjusting their hairspray levels, bleaching their teeth and performing all the other activities that are at the heart of US TV journalism, will look to the treatment of Dan Rather and say, "Not me, babe." No questions will be asked, as Dan predicted, lest they risk necklacing and their careers as news actors burnt to death.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting...so...this Macdougald guy within mere moments of the story's airing has all of this font, typewriter, etc. information and the guy is but a lawyer? How'd he get so knowledgeable about typewriters and fonts in mere moments? Was he tipped off? Hmmm...by whom? Stone? Rove?
That was covered in this thread already. Guess you missed that, huh?
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The 'lynching' of Dan RatherThis is not a story about Dan Rather. The white millionaire celebrity can defend himself without my help. This is really a story about fear, the fear that stops other reporters in the US from following the evidence about this Administration to where it leads. American news guys and news gals, practicing their smiles, adjusting their hairspray levels, bleaching their teeth and performing all the other activities that are at the heart of US TV journalism, will look to the treatment of Dan Rather and say, "Not me, babe." No questions will be asked, as Dan predicted, lest they risk necklacing and their careers as news actors burnt to death.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The 'lynching' of Dan RatherThis is not a story about Dan Rather. The white millionaire celebrity can defend himself without my help. This is really a story about fear, the fear that stops other reporters in the US from following the evidence about this Administration to where it leads. American news guys and news gals, practicing their smiles, adjusting their hairspray levels, bleaching their teeth and performing all the other activities that are at the heart of US TV journalism, will look to the treatment of Dan Rather and say, "Not me, babe." No questions will be asked, as Dan predicted, lest they risk necklacing and their careers as news actors burnt to death.
Thanks Dan for so graciously buying the rope, placing it around your neck, standing on the chair, and then kicking it out from underneath you. Watching your self-lynching was the best TV entertainment I've seen iin some time.
As for the content of the article itself, I already posted this sentiment in this forum a week ago. Dan Rather's faux pas will prevent anyone else from dishing dirt at Bush and has effectively emasculated Kerry's muckraking campaign. It's all thanks to Rather and when Kerry loses the election you can all look back and thank him again for his lousy partisan sideshow at the Circus Broadcasting System.
I read the article, which partially deals with an old interview with Rather, but still deals with Rathergate as well so it still alludes to the current situation. The article itself was posted on 9/20/04 and is current.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If you bothered to read the article, that interview from Rather was from 2002. The "liberal" press has been afraid to ask any hard questions since 9/11 for fear of being smeared themselves. Some "Freedom of Press" we have in this country!!
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I read the article, which partially deals with an old interview with Rather, but still deals with Rathergate as well so it still alludes to the current situation. The article itself was posted on 9/20/04 and is current.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If you bothered to read the article, that interview from Rather was from 2002. The "liberal" press has been afraid to ask any hard questions since 9/11 for fear of being smeared themselves. Some "Freedom of Press" we have in this country!!
Nobody is stopping them except for themselves. They still have the freedom to say what they believe and nobody is stopping them. This self-policing and introspection post-Rathergate was necessary though as the ordeal vivdly demonstrated that the press was getting way out of control.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I read the article, which partially deals with an old interview with Rather, but still deals with Rathergate as well so it still alludes to the current situation. The article itself was posted on 9/20/04 and is current.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If you bothered to read the article, that interview from Rather was from 2002. The "liberal" press has been afraid to ask any hard questions since 9/11 for fear of being smeared themselves. Some "Freedom of Press" we have in this country!!
So you think freedom of press is alive and well?
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Nobody is stopping them except for themselves. They still have the freedom to say what they believe and nobody is stopping them. This self-policing and introspection post-Rathergate was necessary though as the ordeal vivdly demonstrated that the press was getting way out of control.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I read the article, which partially deals with an old interview with Rather, but still deals with Rathergate as well so it still alludes to the current situation. The article itself was posted on 9/20/04 and is current.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If you bothered to read the article, that interview from Rather was from 2002. The "liberal" press has been afraid to ask any hard questions since 9/11 for fear of being smeared themselves. Some "Freedom of Press" we have in this country!!
So you think freedom of press is alive and well?
Cowboy, I really wish you'd look before you leap.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. Just like their free to go kill somebody. They have the choice, nobody is stopping them. They are also free to commit murder of their carrer by asking too hard of a question.
Ask yourself this, if there is truley "Freedom of the Press" why doesn't a group of reporters pin GWB down about the questions being raised about his "honorable" discharge from the ANG at a news conference? Maybe because they want to keep there jobs? You think? Some "Freedom of the Press". Just keep rationalizing your postion.
The former Texas National Guard commander who supplied CBS with forged records on President Bush's National Guard service now plans to sue the network, his former lawyer said Tuesday. Burkett's one-time attorney, David Van Os, told the New York Sun that his former client had "several meetings with lawyers to determine the best course of action." He said the planned lawsuit would center on what he termed "defamation of character and libel."
Bill Burkett, 55, says he worked with CBS News "for the right reasons" and he's upset that he's become the scapegoat for the network's "shoddy business practices," a friend said Tuesday.
The network apologized Monday for its story, saying it could not vouch for the authenticity of documents impugning Bush's Guard service supposedly written by one of his commanders, the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.
Burkett admitted to CBS that he lied about where he got the documents so he could protect his source. However, he said in an interview CBS aired Monday that he told the network it should validate the documents. . . . .
he backpeddling was aided by the discovery that Staudt, named in the document dated Aug. 18, 1973, was honorably discharged March 1, 1972.
As brigadier general of Bush?s unit, Staudt was responsible for enrolling anybody who wanted to enter pilot training.
He maintains no one did Bush any favors ? no one had to.
?He was a good candidate, well educated,? he said. ?We needed pilots, and he wanted to be one.?
Sitting in his office, surrounded by pictures and paintings of fighter planes, Staudt?s military reserve softened as he remembered his first encounter with the young, prospective guardsman.
?I asked him why he wanted to be a pilot, and he said it was because his daddy was one. That?s a good reason,? he said.
Staudt had no idea the young man he swore into the Guard would one day be commander in chief.
?(Bush) was just another second lieutenant fighter pilot,? he said. ?You never know where people will end up.?
After Staudt retired in early 1972, he did not have any more contact with Bush, but he has watched him closely since 2001.
? I think he?s done a real good job (as president). I?m proud of him. I guess I?m prejudiced, I don?t know,? he said.
Staudt is looking forward to some peace now that CBS and Rather have admitted they cannot prove the memos? authenticity. Although relieved, Staudt said he was surprised they finally decided to be honest. He never thought they would be.
Here's a little more ammo for you Rove detractors. The so-called "evil genius of campaign strategists" could literally be considered a legend in his own time.Dick Thornburgh
Note the part about "the humiliation of a trial in Austin". Heh.As aggressively as Rove played in politics generally, he played even more aggressively inside the particular subculture of Republican political consulting. After a special 1991 election in Pennsylvania, Rove sued Richard Thornburgh, the former governor of Pennsylvania and former Attorney General, for not paying his Karl Rove + Company bill after he lost the race even though the Republican National Committee, worried that the suit would make it hard to recruit good candidates, urged Rove to back off, and, when he wouldn't, hired Kenneth Starr to write an amicus brief on Thornburgh's behalf-Rove put Thornburgh through the humiliation of a trial in Austin and won the case.
he backpeddling was aided by the discovery that Staudt, named in the document dated Aug. 18, 1973, was honorably discharged March 1, 1972.
As brigadier general of Bush?s unit, Staudt was responsible for enrolling anybody who wanted to enter pilot training.
He maintains no one did Bush any favors ? no one had to.
?He was a good candidate, well educated,? he said. ?We needed pilots, and he wanted to be one.?
Sitting in his office, surrounded by pictures and paintings of fighter planes, Staudt?s military reserve softened as he remembered his first encounter with the young, prospective guardsman.
?I asked him why he wanted to be a pilot, and he said it was because his daddy was one. That?s a good reason,? he said.
Staudt had no idea the young man he swore into the Guard would one day be commander in chief.
?(Bush) was just another second lieutenant fighter pilot,? he said. ?You never know where people will end up.?
After Staudt retired in early 1972, he did not have any more contact with Bush, but he has watched him closely since 2001.
? I think he?s done a real good job (as president). I?m proud of him. I guess I?m prejudiced, I don?t know,? he said.
Staudt is looking forward to some peace now that CBS and Rather have admitted they cannot prove the memos? authenticity. Although relieved, Staudt said he was surprised they finally decided to be honest. He never thought they would be.
Nice report from the Herald-Zeitung. You know, there's actually quite a bit of interesting news in the smaller papers that is largely ignored by big media.Originally posted by: charrison
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Of course you're confused. You can't even pose the same question twice.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You mean "Freedom of the Press" doesn't include a right for reporters to ask pertintant questions without fear of reprisal? Gooolly, I am confused.
Originally posted by: burnedout
Nice report from the Herald-Zeitung. You know, there's actually quite a bit of interesting news in the smaller papers that is largely ignored by big media.Originally posted by: charrison
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