Rathergate

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: charrison
linkage

Nice report from the Herald-Zeitung. You know, there's actually quite a bit of interesting news in the smaller papers that is largely ignored by big media.

That is local paper where Staudt lives.

Yeah, New Braunfels is about 60 mi. south of me.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You mean "Freedom of the Press" doesn't include a right for reporters to ask pertintant questions without fear of reprisal? Gooolly, I am confused.

Of course you're confused. You can't even pose the same question twice.

The above isn't what you said previously. You were coming up with tin-foil hattery about reporters worried about keeping their jobs.

It's a good thing I have you around to keep me informed and make sure my "blinders" don't slip out of place. As you can see, I'm almost as dumb as Duhhbyah!

If only you had a lick of common sense we might be able to communicate. :laugh:

 

[burnedout]

Dick Thornburgh Comments On CBS Document Investigation Job -
Channel 4, Pittsburgh

[...]

In one sense, Dick Thornburgh could seem to be the ideal and dignified choice for CBS News in this matter. However there could be questions, because Karl Rove, one of President George W. Bush's top advisers, once sued Thornburgh for a large sum of money.

Channel 4 Action News anchor Scott Baker asked Thornburgh, "Are you concerned at all that there might be a sense of conflict given that Karl Rove had filed a lawsuit against you a decade ago??

Thornburgh said, "No."

Rove consulted for Thornburgh's failed campaign for the U.S. Senate in 1991. The campaign never paid a $170,000 bill. Rove sued, and won, despite a Thornburgh defense that included Kenneth Starr.

Baker asked, "So there couldn't be any accusation of any lingering animosity."

Thornburgh responded, "That was business not personal."

Baker inquired, "But it was a personal lawsuit against you wasn't it?"

Thornburgh said, "Yes, but the issues weren't personal. I know Karl well."

Thornburgh said the inquiry will begin immediately and go where the evidence leads.

 

[burnedout]

Kerry campaign says timing of 'Fortunate Son' ad campaign, 60 Minutes story a 'coincidence' - KVOA 4 in Tuscon

Yeah, right. At any rate. .

Having acknowledged that its own standards were violated, CBS News named an independent panel to investigate what went wrong: Former Republican Attorney General Dick Thornburgh and retired chief of the Associated Press Louis Boccardi.

The investigation focuses on the process that led to airing possibly fraudulent documents challenging the President's military service and why the CBS Producer put the source of those documents, longtime Bush critic Bill Burkett, in touch with the Kerry Campaign before the story aired.

Journalism expert Robert Steele says, "The producer in this case was already operating in an ethical minefield. She squirted gasoline on the explosives when she made that connection." . . . . .

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
F

ACT: The order suspending Bush from flight duty stated: ?Verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT George W. Bush?from flying status are confirmed?Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13.

direct quote fron the Kerry campaign website johnkerry.com

gosh.....this "verbal order of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72.." is exactly what the first forged document stated..

PDF's of forged documents

i suppose it's just a coincidence that the Kerry campaign has quotes lifted from a forged document posted on their web site in April....and CBS reports on these same memos in September..

Ayup, just a 'coincidence'.

 

[Ozoned]

Click page 5

 

[burnedout]

Thanks Dan: Gallup Finds Trust in Media at New Low - Editor and Publisher

[Hat tip: Clayton Cramer]

By E&P Staff

Published: September 23, 2004 11:00 AM EDT

NEW YORK In the wake of the CBS "60 Minutes" controversy, a new Gallup Poll finds the news media's credibility has declined significantly among the public.

The poll, taken Sept. 13-15 while the CBS report on President Bush's National Guard service was being questioned but before the network issued an apology, found that just 44% of Americans express confidence in the media's ability to report news stories accurately and fairly.

"This is a significant drop from one year ago," Gallup reports, "when 54% of Americans expressed a great deal or fair amount of confidence in the media. The latest result is particularly striking because this figure had previously been very stable -- fluctuating only between 51% and 55% from 1997-2003."

On the other hand, 39% currently say they have "not very much" confidence in the media's accuracy and fairness, while 16% say they have "none at all."

"Clearly, something new has happened to shake public confidence in the media," Gallup reports, "but whether that 'something' is the recent CBS News controversy is a matter of speculation.

"One might assume that if the CBS News story were the culprit, that this would be reflected in a disproportionately large drop in confidence in the media among Republicans. However, the data on this is not conclusive. Trust in the news media is typically lower among Republicans, but all three partisan groups show a significant decline in confidence in the media since last year. It did drop by a somewhat greater degree among Republicans than Democrats, however."

The partisan divide goes something like this: 59% of Democrats express confidence in the media, 31% of Republicans do so and 44% of Independents feel that way.

Of the entire sample, 48% perceive the media as "too liberal," 15% as "too conservative," and 33% find it "just about right." The number finding the media too liberal has only gone up 3% in the past year, however.

 

[grimmie]

Cox and Forkum was dead on as usual

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/938/040916FakeAccurate-X.gif

 

[burnedout]

LOL, yeah, Cox and Forkum rocks.

Meanwhile, Bill "Kinkos" Burkett is still talking to the media:

"It caught CBS very flat-footed. They were not prepared. And I had warned them ... that this would probably be one of the most highly coordinated vicious attacks that they would ever have to face," Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guardsman, said in an interview with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

But wait. Bill starts spilling the beans:

During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett said he suggested a "couple of concepts on what I thought (Kerry) had to do" to beat Bush. In return, he said, Lockhart tried to "convince me as to why I should give them the documents."

Towards the end of the piece, we find this little jewel:

. . . . and he believes his phones have been tapped.

"Everything having to do with me has been basically tapped," he said.

 

[kkeennyy]

Originally posted by: grimmie
Cox and Forkum was dead on as usual

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/938/040916FakeAccurate-X.gif

that, or rather this http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000416.html


truly is awesome. I had forgotten to check that site in a while. There are certainly some entertaining postings I need to catch up on. thanks

 

[burnedout]

Top Ten Ways CBS News Can Improve It's Reputation - David Letterman

10. Stick to stories everyone can agree on, like cookies are delicious.

9. Move nightly "happy hour" to after the broadcast.

8. Stop hiring guys with crazy names like "Morley."

7. Can't figure out if a news story is true? Let Judge Joe Brown decide.

6. Every time Mike Wallace tells a lie he gets a life-threatening electrical shock.

5. Newsroom patrolled by some kind of lovable but strict "truth monkey."

4. If it turns out the story is wrong, give away 276 brand new cars.

3. After delivering a report, correspondent must add, "or maybe not--who knows?"

2. Newscast consists of Dan Rather sitting down to watch Tom Brokaw.

1. Oh, I dunno, stop making up crap?

Heh.

 

[burnedout]

Walter Cronkite offers a few cautious words - Boston Herald

That?s the way CBS is: `Embarrassing'! Cronkite weighs in on CBS docu-drama
By Jennifer Rosinski
Friday, September 24, 2004

Famed anchorman Walter Cronkite, once widely considered the most trusted figure in news, called the journalistic mistake that has marred CBS' credibility ``embarrassing,'' but stopped short of placing blame or predicting the network's future.

``We must wait while CBS management conduct the investigation they have promised. We can then decide what our reaction to it should be,'' said Cronkite, 87, whose CBS newscasts reached millions of Americans for more than three decades.

``The reaction at the moment of course is embarrassment for everyone who is connected to CBS, and that embarrassment I hope will be squashed in time as we know what happened.''

Anchor Dan Rather has apologized for using bogus documents to raise questions about President Bush's military service, but media watchers have signaled it won't be enough to pull the legendary anchorman and CBS out of a downward spiral. Rather used the documents provided by retired Texas National Guard official Bill Burkett on the Sept. 8 ``60 Minutes'' broadcast.

Cronkite - known for his trademark sign-off line, ``and that's the way it is'' - said he has been keeping track of every new wrinkle in the ongoing story.

``I've been thinking about it a great deal and watching the developments as they come along, almost daily it seems,'' he said

Why a rabid liberal like Mapes was given the reins to smear the legacy of Murrow, Sevareid and Cronkite is beyond comprehension.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They have a bearing on why he didn't take his flight physical. Pilots just don't skip that. What was his reason? That he didn't "want" to fly anymore? He was in the military and was supposed to be followint orders.

It looks like strings were pulled for him to get in, and he got into the "champange unit" along with the other elite. Even though he had no prior military experience, he didn't have to take any offciers training, which was waived to clear the way for a pilot slot. He was immediately promoted. Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal.

If influence was being applied on his behalf, then perhaps he shouldn't have gotten his "honorable discharge". Since 3 people confirm that the content of the CBS memo's is accurate, then GWB needs to address the issues being raised. His failure to just come out and denounce the other 3 peoples statements is just adding fuel to the fire. It makes me even more convinced that something is amiss.

I have said this over and over again. Since he was on non-flight status to begin with:


WHY DID HE HAVE TO TAKE HIS PHYSICAL!!!!

Answer: THERE WAS NO REASON TO!!!!

Edit:


"Then all of a sudden he just decided to quit flying and didn't take a physical to seal that deal."

I have posted this many times. Maybe you have read this once or twice:

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs.

Then show me that the other pilots just didn't bother with taking their scheduled physicals.

WTF? That is the USAF rules. If you don't believe me talk to ANY USAF or ANG member.

I know from personal experience. I had to take flight physicals, although I was not a pliot, but a Electronic Warfare Officer, since I was in a flight crew I was still required to take them. But when I stopped flying I didn't take my flight phyicals. This is not usual practice. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

I don't beleive for a minute that a pilot with a million dollars worth of training can just take it upon himself to not take a required physical. He WAS grounded for not taking the physical. It appears to me that he didn't want to fly anymore and he didn't care what his superiors wanted out of him. Not exactly what he commited to when he signed up and got put at the head of the line.

I believe that in the words of Marion Knox, not to take your flight physical was a "big no no".

And your basis for your reasoning is:? I forgot your very well versed on AF regs.


Sorry. I won't bring this up again.

Orders are orders.

Right. But the fact is he was never ordered. If he was there would be hundreds of copies of his orders floating around. And no, verbal orders are unlikely. "The job is not finished until the paperwork is done." They always had paperwork for each order.

 

[heartsurgeon]

I'll conjur up and post a document supposedly from a doctor (which I'm not) about you, stating that you had a mental condition

I'm a doctor, and I'll provide you with the document!! How many, and with whose name (so many to pick from here).

the same clown (Burkett) who got the "memos" at a Cattle show from a complete stranger (in a manila folder thrust into his hands), is the same guy who claims he saw Bush's records being "sanitized"

i guess that even though he's an admitted liar, probably document forger and co-conspirator with the DNC/Kerry staff, and self-avoid Bush-Hater, i'm sure there is no reason to doubt his truthfulness about seeing Bush's records getting sanitized. no reason at all to doubt him.....

oh by the way, this Burkett guy has implicated Lockhart (DNC/Kerry Campaign) in "memogate"

but i suppose that's a lie (but not anti-Bush stuff, er, well, except for the memos)

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

oh by the way, this Burkett guy has implicated Lockhart (DNC/Kerry Campaign) in "memogate"

There has been a retraction on this implication, HS. Just thought I would give you the heads up.

No, I did not look for a link.

 

[maluckey]

Ozoned,

Lockhart denies that he spoke to Burkett about the documents, but Burkett is still claiming that they spoke about the documents.

Burkett's credibility was never very high (understatement here), so time will tell. I find it hard to believe that the two of them spoke, but not at all about these docs that were burning in the greasy palms of Burkett. To what extent they spoke of them is yet to be seen.

Facts are coming, we just have to hold tight. For now it's all he said she said.

 

[Chadder007]

I just hope someone gets to the bottom of this crap soon just to get it done and over with.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Burkett's credibility was never very high

Wait just a minute!

Dan Rather described Burkett as an "unimpeachable source"

Liberals were ready to label Bush AWOL based upon this "unimpeachable source" just a week ago!

Now that Burkett is ratting out Lockhart (and by implication the DNC, Kerry Campaign and Kerry himself), he has suddenly become less credible.

Which is it?

flip-flop-flip-flop....

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Burkett's credibility was never very high

Wait just a minute!

Dan Rather described Burkett as an "unimpeachable source"

Liberals were ready to label Bush AWOL based upon this "unimpeachable source" just a week ago!

Now that Burkett is ratting out Lockhart (and by implication the DNC, Kerry Campaign and Kerry himself), he has suddenly become less credible.

Which is it?

flip-flop-flip-flop....

And the diversions continue.

I love the way the Bush worshipers ignore the mountains of evidence, accumulated over many years, reinforcing the conclusion that Bush did not fulfill his Guard responsibilities (a/k/a AWOL by some). Instead, they focus solely on the authenticity of copies of three memos, memos whose content has been independently corroborated, acting as if those questions somehow invalidate all the other evidence. Sorry, not even close.

Flop, flop, flop*


(*That's the sound of the Bushies flopping on the shore, gasping for breath, trying desperately to avoid the bright light of truth and flip themselves back into the murky waters of their Bush-is-God delusion.)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And the diversions continue.

I love the way the Bush worshipers ignore the mountains of evidence, accumulated over many years, reinforcing the conclusion that Bush did not fulfill his Guard responsibilities (a/k/a AWOL by some). Instead, they focus solely on the authenticity of copies of three memos, memos whose content has been independently cooroborated, acting as if those questions somehow invalidate all the other evidence. Sorry, not even close.

Flop, flop, flop*


(*That's the sound of the Bushies flopping on the shore, gasping for breath, trying desperately to flip themselves back into the murky waters of their Bush-is-God delusion.)

^^^^^^
And that, my friends, is just a sample of the desperation we'll see from the leftists in the coming weeks.

CsG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And the diversions continue.

I love the way the Bush worshipers ignore the mountains of evidence, accumulated over many years, reinforcing the conclusion that Bush did not fulfill his Guard responsibilities (a/k/a AWOL by some). Instead, they focus solely on the authenticity of copies of three memos, memos whose content has been independently cooroborated, acting as if those questions somehow invalidate all the other evidence. Sorry, not even close.

Flop, flop, flop*


(*That's the sound of the Bushies flopping on the shore, gasping for breath, trying desperately to flip themselves back into the murky waters of their Bush-is-God delusion.)

^^^^^^
And that, my friends, is just a sample of the desperation we'll see from the leftists in the coming weeks.

CsG

And that, my friends, is just a sample of the dim, content-free rhetoric we'll see from the Bush worshipers as they try to divert voters from their feckless leader's abominable record. Bleat on, Sir Cad. It's what you do best.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And the diversions continue.

I love the way the Bush worshipers ignore the mountains of evidence, accumulated over many years, reinforcing the conclusion that Bush did not fulfill his Guard responsibilities (a/k/a AWOL by some). Instead, they focus solely on the authenticity of copies of three memos, memos whose content has been independently cooroborated, acting as if those questions somehow invalidate all the other evidence. Sorry, not even close.

Flop, flop, flop*


(*That's the sound of the Bushies flopping on the shore, gasping for breath, trying desperately to flip themselves back into the murky waters of their Bush-is-God delusion.)

^^^^^^
And that, my friends, is just a sample of the desperation we'll see from the leftists in the coming weeks.

CsG

And that, my friends, is just a sample of the dim, content-free rhetoric we'll see from the Bush worshipers as they try to divert voters from their feckless leader's abominable record. Bleat on, Sir Cad. It's what you do best.

duck=duck
Sorry you can't handle the truth.

CsG

 

[heartsurgeon]

This thread is about Dan Rather and his screwups.

The only diversion is an attempt to pass of DNC agitprop as fact (concerning Bush's 6 years of service versus Kerry's single "semester" in Vietnam)

the question is realy about criminality on the part of somebody in forging goverment documents, and the collusion between liberal news outlets and the DNC/Kerry campaign in trying to effect the outcome of a Presidential election with forged documents.

This is as "big" a deal as Watergate in my opinion. My read on this, when Bush gets re-elected...Ashcroft will investigate this, and somebody is going to jail.

Burkett is crazy, and one of my sayings is that you should never get involved with crazy people, because they will hurt everyone. Burkettt will do harm to Rather and to the Kerry campaign..count on it..also, that trol Mary Mapes at CBS is going down. When she gets hung out to dry by CBS....watch out, she may not take the punishment gracefully, and you could see counter-accusations or a tell-all book come out revealing unsavory items about the Kerry campaign and CBS.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
duck=duck
Sorry you can't handle the truth.

CsG

Very good! Now that you've mastered the trite, let's move on to more intellectually challenging equations:

duck != cat
apple != orange
truth != Bush talking points
diversion == Bush talking points
informed != parroting Bush talking points
YABA == parrot

"Rathergate" == diversion from the truth of Bush's abominable record


Test on November 2. Class dismissed.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
duck=duck
Sorry you can't handle the truth.

CsG

Very good! Now that you've mastered the trite, let's move on to more intellectually challenging equations:

duck != cat
apple != orange
truth != Bush talking points
diversion == Bush talking points
informed != parroting Bush talking points
YABA == parrot

"Rathergate" == diversion from the truth of Bush's abominable record


Test on November 2. Class dismissed.

^^^^
Yep, more of the same desperation by the leftists. Calling names, spewing anti-Bush(and supporter) BS while trying to claim they know it all.

Whatever you say bow. Your diversions and partisan bleatings in the thread have been called for what they are - desperation. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

CsG