Discussion RDNA4 + CDNA3 Architectures Thread

[DisEnchantment]

With the GFX940 patches in full swing since first week of March, it is looking like MI300 is not far in the distant future!
Usually AMD takes around 3Qs to get the support in LLVM and amdgpu. Lately, since RDNA2 the window they push to add support for new devices is much reduced to prevent leaks.
But looking at the flurry of code in LLVM, it is a lot of commits. Maybe because US Govt is starting to prepare the SW environment for El Capitan (Maybe to avoid slow bring up situation like Frontier for example)

See here for the GFX940 specific commits

History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

github.com

Or Phoronix

More AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

There is a lot more if you know whom to follow in LLVM review chains (before getting merged to github), but I am not going to link AMD employees.

I am starting to think MI300 will launch around the same time like Hopper probably only a couple of months later!
Although I believe Hopper had problems not having a host CPU capable of doing PCIe 5 in the very near future therefore it might have gotten pushed back a bit until SPR and Genoa arrives later in 2022.
If PVC slips again I believe MI300 could launch before it

This is nuts, MI100/200/300 cadence is impressive.



Previous thread on CDNA2 and RDNA3 here

Question - Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now. First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time! Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3...

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[Avalon]

There's been a couple XT around $699-$729. They don't last long in stock though.

Yeah, they're in stock for a second, and it's usually the low end Gigabyte cards. Was watching NowInStock like a hawk for a while, but it's been exceedingly rare those pop up. Nearly all are $800+ and also don't last long. I wanted either a Powercolor Hellhound or Sapphire Pure specifically for the cooler, TIM, size, and power plugs required, so took a bit longer to get.

 

[beginner99]

Finally got my Powercolor Hellhound 9070 (non-XT) in from an Amazon pre-order. Only $699 USD, yay! (ugh)

That is stil lower than EU pricing. So...

 

[Heartbreaker]

I wasn't paying attention but according to HWUB, in the USA, the $600 MSRP 9070 XT is now over $800, and is about the same street price as the 5070 Ti which has $750 MSRP.

Which looks like AMDs MSRP is more fake than NVidias this time.

 

[jpiniero]

I wasn't paying attention but according to HWUB, in the USA, the $600 MSRP 9070 XT is now over $800, and is about the same street price as the 5070 Ti which has $750 MSRP.

Which looks like AMDs MSRP is more fake than NVidias this time.

5070 Ti is mainly starting at $899.

 

[Win2012R2]

Which looks like AMDs MSRP is more fake than NVidias this time.

in the USA

This is kind of self explanatory, unless you were not following the news recently

 

[Win2012R2]

the whole console cost less than a decent mid-range card right now.

You need to factor in cost of games

 

[Thunder 57]

You need to factor in cost of games

I'd take the versatility of a PC any day but let's be realistic, for many people a console is a great solution.

 

[eek2121]

I wasn't paying attention but according to HWUB, in the USA, the $600 MSRP 9070 XT is now over $800, and is about the same street price as the 5070 Ti which has $750 MSRP.

Which looks like AMDs MSRP is more fake than NVidias this time.

MicroCenter has plenty.

 

[Win2012R2]

for many people a console is a great solution.

With games for 70-80 bucks, almost never on real sale from single store.

 

[Rigg]

MicroCenter has plenty.

The availible 9070 XT models are marked up 41-55% above MSRP at my local store.

Spoiler

 

[Heartbreaker]

This is kind of self explanatory, unless you were not following the news recently

I know about Tariffs, but that doesn't make sense that it would jack up AMD prices much more than NVidia prices.

 

[gdansk]

What's jacking up AMD's prices is relative performance.
It makes sense that the 5070 Ti and RX 9070 XT would converge toward a similar price point in a limited supply market. Though as others noted the 5070 Ti is generally still pricier.

 

[Rigg]

I know about Tariffs, but that doesn't make sense that it would jack up AMD prices much more than NVidia prices.

That's not necessarily true though. It depends on the SKU. If I use my local Micro Center as point of reference again, 5070 Ti cards are 23-33% over MSRP while 5080 cards are 45-80% over MSRP. There are 6 different 5070 Ti cards and 10 different 5080 cards available. Several of them are very well (25+ available) stocked.

 

[Mopetar]

You need to factor in cost of games

You act like consoles can't play used games. When GTA VI drops it won't be any cheaper on the PC either. I never had a PS4, so there's a massive back catalog for me to get through. Not that it matters since I don't really have the time to keep up with new releases, much less go back through everything I've missed.

Consoles aren't a replacement for PCs by any stretch of the imagination, but if you want to compare the cost for a console against a decent gaming PC instead of just the GPU, you're going to have to buy a lot of games to make up the difference right now. Add in the power costs too if we're going to start financial arguments.

The PC games I'm most looking forward to most this year (EU 5) don't really need a powerful GPU anyway so I can run them well enough on my MBP. While that does make the argument that you don't need an $800 GPU to PC game, I'm not paying $500 for an 8 GB card that will look and/or play worse than a console because it doesn't have enough VRAM for the newest games.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I gave up on seeing sanely priced cards anytime soon and snagged a PS5 Pro. It's obviously older tech and not clocked as high as a discrete card, but the whole console cost less than a decent mid-range card right now.

People have been saying things like this since about PS3 times. Some people shift in both directions, but for the most part:

Console gamers like console gaming, and stick with that.

PC gamers like PC gaming, and stick with that.

 

[Win2012R2]

You act like consoles can't play used games.

Consoles are rapidly moving to mostly diskless digital stuff - some popular games don't even do physical editions anymore, devs of those understand clearly that this is the way to max out sales as used physical media market undercuts them, they wanted to get it killed for a very long time.

We need laws to allow resale of digital only games, those are licenses but people should have the right to resell them at whatever price they want.

 

[Win2012R2]

that doesn't make sense that it would jack up AMD prices much more than NVidia prices.

Nvidia got a turd this gen and RDNA4 is actually a very desireable card.

 

[Mopetar]

Console gamers like console gaming, and stick with that.

PC gamers like PC gaming, and stick with that.

What an awful false dichotomy. Gamers like both.

 

[Elfear]

Cheapest 9070 XT and 5070 Ti I could find for sale and actually add to cart in the U.S. were $873 and $900 respectively.



It is a bit strange that they are so close in price when Nvidia normally commands a decently higher price. I wouldn't think it was AMD dictating those prices. Maybe more demand for RDNA4?

 

[jpiniero]

Cheapest 9070 XT and 5070 Ti I could find for sale and actually add to cart in the U.S. were $873 and $900 respectively.

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It is a bit strange that they are so close in price when Nvidia normally commands a decently higher price. I wouldn't think it was AMD dictating those prices. Maybe more demand for RDNA4?

That's because the sub-$800 XT cards go quickly for the most part.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

AMD might also be a victim of its own success, similar to Intel's B580 cards.

Good price to performance ratio for their respective tiers resulting in word of mouth leading to higher than anticipated demand resulting in the price floating upward until it is no longer actually a good price to performance ratio for those in the know.

Plebs and low info folks will continue to buy because "9070XT is a good card" is the only thing filtering down to that level.

 

[Elfear]

That's because the sub-$800 XT cards go quickly for the most part.

True. I finally nabbed a 9070 XT for ONLY $100 over MSRP and it was in and out of stock within a minute or two.

 

[Heartbreaker]

What an awful false dichotomy. Gamers like both.

It's not really a false dichotomy. People have preferences.

There are platform advantages to PC, that make PC gaming different and keep a huge number of gamers on PC.

Likewise there are people that want nothing to do with PC Hardware costs, or extra complexity and will stick to consoles.

Obviously there is a another group that wants both, but that doesn't negate the significantly large groups that stick to their one preferred platform.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD might also be a victim of its own success, similar to Intel's B580 cards.

Good price to performance ratio for their respective tiers resulting in word of mouth leading to higher than anticipated demand resulting in the price floating upward until it is no longer actually a good price to performance ratio for those in the know.

Plebs and low info folks will continue to buy because "9070XT is a good card" is the only thing filtering down to that level.

It's a matter of perspective. Hypothetically, if the collective we are shopping for a higher end card, and Nvidia's anti consumer biz practices, fire hazard high end cards, FUBAR drivers, or any other factor has me voting against them with my wallet, I have few choices. The 9070XT is often competitive with the 7900XTX. Which right now, I see only one NIB model for $1000. Every other model is another $100+. If I choose RDNA4 for less money, I get FSR 4. 24GB is nice, but 16GB is the sweet spot. Significantly better upscaling helps compensate in the rare instances it isn't enough at high res.

The surprised Pikachu over MSRP is disingenuous. I thought we all agreed months ago MSRPs are fake news, just like during the pandemic. The reality is that everyone threatened if AMD had high launch prices there would be hell to pay. So AMD did the smart thing and avoided the terrible day one 💩 storm . Seems like they finally learned to play the game.

 

[Mopetar]

Cheapest 9070 XT and 5070 Ti I could find for sale and actually add to cart in the U.S. were $873 and $900 respectively.

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It is a bit strange that they are so close in price when Nvidia normally commands a decently higher price. I wouldn't think it was AMD dictating those prices. Maybe more demand for RDNA4?

Not all that strange. The 5070 Ti has a 3% higher price than the 9070 XT which coincides with the average performance difference that TPU found between the two in their test suite of 25 games. It's 3% at 1080/1440 and 4% at 4K.

NVidia might be able to get away with a bit of a premium at MSRP due to perceived or actual brand value and feature set, but that appears not to hold at the market price for whatever reason.

It could certainly be that the market views FSR4 as good enough that NVidia isn't worth the premium or that that people paying for these cards right now don't value much outside of raw performance so neither company is seeing any added value from their extras. There could be other reasons as well, but it would just be further speculation to explain why after the fact.