Discussion RDNA4 + CDNA3 Architectures Thread

[DisEnchantment]

With the GFX940 patches in full swing since first week of March, it is looking like MI300 is not far in the distant future!
Usually AMD takes around 3Qs to get the support in LLVM and amdgpu. Lately, since RDNA2 the window they push to add support for new devices is much reduced to prevent leaks.
But looking at the flurry of code in LLVM, it is a lot of commits. Maybe because US Govt is starting to prepare the SW environment for El Capitan (Maybe to avoid slow bring up situation like Frontier for example)

See here for the GFX940 specific commits

History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

github.com

Or Phoronix

More AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

There is a lot more if you know whom to follow in LLVM review chains (before getting merged to github), but I am not going to link AMD employees.

I am starting to think MI300 will launch around the same time like Hopper probably only a couple of months later!
Although I believe Hopper had problems not having a host CPU capable of doing PCIe 5 in the very near future therefore it might have gotten pushed back a bit until SPR and Genoa arrives later in 2022.
If PVC slips again I believe MI300 could launch before it

This is nuts, MI100/200/300 cadence is impressive.



Previous thread on CDNA2 and RDNA3 here

Question - Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

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[ToTTenTranz]

PCI 5.0 x16 is surprise for N44? Also different TBP for 8 and 16GB

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9060-xt-features-32-rdna4-cus-8-16gb-gddr6-memory-and-pcie-5-0x16

And all the HW codecs are there, contrary to previous reports.
It's a full GPU, not an iGPU companion.

x16 g5 roots are pretty dang chungus.

64GB/s duplex towards a DDR5 that provides between 64 and 140GB/s.

If properly implemented, I wonder if AMD could actually make the 8GB model work well enough by tapping into the DDR5 through PCIe for some data.
Vega's HBCC was supposedly able to do this, but AMD went silent on this feature right after launch.

FX 5800 and 9700 fight is back, but in AI now 😁

If they're comparing it to the RTX5080, does it mean MSRP will be $1000?

 

[adroc_thurston]

If properly implemented, I wonder if AMD could actually make the 8GB model work well enough by tapping into the DDR5 through PCIe for some data.

DMA latency is many microseconds which is poop even by GPU standards.
You're getting hammered with stutters on framebuffer spills either way.

 

[Thunder 57]

DMA latency is many microseconds which is poop even by GPU standards.
You're getting hammered with stutters on framebuffer spills either way.

That doesn't explain the 5060 Ti 8GB doing 10% or so better with PCIe 5 vs PCIe 3.

 

[itsmydamnation]

That doesn't explain the 5060 Ti 8GB doing 10% or so better with PCIe 5 vs PCIe 3.

what ?

 

[Thunder 57]

what ?

The 8GB model needs to access system RAM more and over a slower PCIe version it hurts performance:

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2025/05/Computerbase-5060Ti-768x501.png

 

[itsmydamnation]

The 8GB model needs to access system RAM more and over a slower PCIe version it hurts performance:

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2025/05/Computerbase-5060Ti-768x501.png

yes that's obvious and not what your statements says.

 

[jpiniero]

If they're comparing it to the RTX5080, does it mean MSRP will be $1000?

The 5080 equivalent Quadro's (RTX Pro 4500) MSRP is $2623. So yeah I'd expect it to be at least $1000.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Unfortunately, I presume it is a fake MSRP. At least for some time.

Especially since AMD doesn't have 1st party models this time, to do anything to hold the line on prices.

Big winner if it's ever available at MSRP. If I didn't already have my card. I would happily buy the 9060 16GB if you could get it at MSRP.

 

[SolidQ]

Big winner if it's ever available at MSRP.

there should be aviable soon after launch at MSRP. Some countries already get near MSRP prices for 9070, if we calculate without VAT


Microcenter from yesterday. So many 7900XT in stock

 

[jpiniero]

Microcenter from yesterday. So many 7900XT in stock

If Microcenter sold it online they would have been able to get rid of it a long time ago.

 

[Josh128]

Especially since AMD doesn't have 1st party models this time, to do anything to hold the line on prices.

Big winner if it's ever available at MSRP. If I didn't already have my card. I would happily buy the 9060 16GB if you could get it at MSRP.

$350 is obviously fake as hell MSRP when currently the cheapest 9070XT available on Amazon US is $829. Half the CUs and same VRAM amount will put this card at $429-$499 after the AIBs put their sparkly colors on it. Like the 9070XT, there will be a few thousand MSRP SKUs available in the first 2 minutes of day 1, after that its going to be $429-$499 for the 16GB version.

 

[SolidQ]

cheapest 9070XT available on Amazon US is $829

in different countries, different situation. In some countries it's slowly move to MSRP

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah, here in the U.S. the cheapest 7600 XT I see is $350. No way a newer, faster, 16GB card with better upscaling, is going to sell widely for the same price in the present market.

 

[blckgrffn]

$350 is obviously fake as hell MSRP when currently the cheapest 9070XT available on Amazon US is $829. Half the CUs and same VRAM amount will put this card at $429-$499 after the AIBs put their sparkly colors on it. Like the 9070XT, there will be a few thousand MSRP SKUs available in the first 2 minutes of day 1, after that its going to be $429-$499 for the 16GB version.

Aspirational MSRP

The only positive I am taking from it is this was a staple nvidia marketing tactic and at least AMD is playing with the same tricks. I hate all the tricks but when one was playing straight and the other not so much it made reading reviews grate my nerves. Now if all reviews are like "so, it'll be priced how you find it in the wild, we'll review it for its performance today" at least it should tamp down on some of the "value" editorializing that so often didn't match reality. IMO. Obviously it'd be preferable if we weren't in this consumer hellscape of taking what you can find when you can find it.

*edit - I probably missed it, but when it the review embargo up? This is the magical and therefore not likely to be obtainable $350 card I was hoping for. Maybe. Honestly I just thought it would be at least $399 out the gate.

 

[jpiniero]

*edit - I probably missed it, but when it the review embargo up? This is the magical and therefore not likely to be obtainable $350 card I was hoping for. Maybe. Honestly I just thought it would be at least $399 out the gate.

It still is, most likely.

 

[DaaQ]

Rhetorical question incoming.
Since when did we start using "fake msrp pricing" being a thing, other than IIRC Nvidia released IIRC a limited run of Founders Edition cards. Basically reference cards. AIB cards unless specifically a reference card, are always priced higher.

Did AMD even release any reference cards this release? I think NV released a select amount of FE cards if I am not mistaken. (this is possible as well, mistaken)

I remember MSI, Palit, Sapphire, EVGA releasing blower cooling reference cards. Which were usually only desired by ppl wanting to water block them.

So the rhetorical part, Sapphire Nitro+, Galax HOF, EVGA ACX "+versions" add in Kingpin and FTW versions were always priced higher. Which is the AIB right to increase their margin for their differentiations. There were grumblings back then but usually justifiable.

ASUS, MSI and EVGA always mostly sold premium versions, aka Lightning, Strix, FTW ect. Now with EVGA out the game, ASUS and MSI have taken it to the extreme to the point of being their own scalpers. See last sentence.

But the MSRP cards were usually mostly undesirable except for custom water cooling. Everyone wanted the Kingpin, FTW, Nitro+ or going further back the Toxic series. Red Devils, Taichis, HOF, ect. I think this makes my main point.

So why is EVERY card now considered "fake msrp" when the AIBs always make more premium cards then they would ever make of the reference versions. Most people didn't want the plastic MSI or PNY blower version.
I get some ppl want to buy the msrp cards, but they are really just Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price. It's not like AMD, IDK about NV are only getting a contracted amount

These 2 AIBs have made themselves worthy of a fake MSRP moniker due to the tremendous price increases they launched due to tariff announcements not even tariff enactment.

 

[gdansk]

The 2080 Ti had a fake MSRP too. It was $1000 MSRP but in reality $1200. So it's not a new thing, necessarily.

This is a fake MSRP because you can't even find the most basic card for $600. A 2 slot Reaper is $800 and a 2 fan 2 slot Pulse 9070 is over $700 when it should be $550. You have no choice. The MSRP from AMD is not even entertained by AMD themselves nor by undesirable or rare partner cards. A complete fiction if you will.

There's nothing at MSRP for the 5070 Ti or 9070 XT for months now.

 

[Josh128]

Rhetorical question incoming.
Since when did we start using "fake msrp pricing" being a thing, other than IIRC Nvidia released IIRC a limited run of Founders Edition cards. Basically reference cards. AIB cards unless specifically a reference card, are always priced higher.

Did AMD even release any reference cards this release? I think NV released a select amount of FE cards if I am not mistaken. (this is possible as well, mistaken)

I remember MSI, Palit, Sapphire, EVGA releasing blower cooling reference cards. Which were usually only desired by ppl wanting to water block them.

So the rhetorical part, Sapphire Nitro+, Galax HOF, EVGA ACX "+versions" add in Kingpin and FTW versions were always priced higher. Which is the AIB right to increase their margin for their differentiations. There were grumblings back then but usually justifiable.

ASUS, MSI and EVGA always mostly sold premium versions, aka Lightning, Strix, FTW ect. Now with EVGA out the game, ASUS and MSI have taken it to the extreme to the point of being their own scalpers. See last sentence.

But the MSRP cards were usually mostly undesirable except for custom water cooling. Everyone wanted the Kingpin, FTW, Nitro+ or going further back the Toxic series. Red Devils, Taichis, HOF, ect. I think this makes my main point.

So why is EVERY card now considered "fake msrp" when the AIBs always make more premium cards then they would ever make of the reference versions. Most people didn't want the plastic MSI or PNY blower version.
I get some ppl want to buy the msrp cards, but they are really just Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price. It's not like AMD, IDK about NV are only getting a contracted amount

These 2 AIBs have made themselves worthy of a fake MSRP moniker due to the tremendous price increases they launched due to tariff announcements not even tariff enactment.

Even better question here-- since AMD did not make reference cards at all this gen, what the hell is the MSRP they tout in trade shows and slides supposed to be for??

The correct answer: Bullshat, thats all, utter and complete bullshat.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Previously AIBs would charge a pretty light premium, say $50-70, for their AIB cooling solutions over reference. You paid more, but you got a substantially better cooler for a little bit more money. So a $500 reference card would be something like $549 or $579 or something.

The situation today is wildly different, with cards going 50% more for AIB vs "reference/MSRP" pricing, and the MSRP/Reference pricing itself being not great to begin with. So Now that $500 reference card is already MSRP $700, and then AIBs come in and ask $1000 for basically reskinning the reference design and maybe bumping boost clocks by +30mhz. You're not getting a substantially improved product, the baseline price is already higher, and then the AIB overhead is absurd.

 

[adroc_thurston]

what the hell is the MSRP they tout in trade shows and slides supposed to be for??

It's for basic tier AIC boards.

The correct answer: Bullshat, thats all, utter and complete bullshat.

Ref doesn't mean MSRP either, NV has a track record of selling FEs (which are *not* reference cards also) at a premium.

Previously AIBs would charge a pretty light premium, say $50-70, for their AIB cooling solutions over reference. You paid more, but you got a substantially better cooler for a little bit more money. So a $500 reference card would be something like $549 or $579 or something.

That was way back when baseline GPU costs were a lot lower so AIBs could get above breakeven on basic models, too.