Discussion RDNA4 + CDNA3 Architectures Thread

[DisEnchantment]

With the GFX940 patches in full swing since first week of March, it is looking like MI300 is not far in the distant future!
Usually AMD takes around 3Qs to get the support in LLVM and amdgpu. Lately, since RDNA2 the window they push to add support for new devices is much reduced to prevent leaks.
But looking at the flurry of code in LLVM, it is a lot of commits. Maybe because US Govt is starting to prepare the SW environment for El Capitan (Maybe to avoid slow bring up situation like Frontier for example)

See here for the GFX940 specific commits

History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

github.com

Or Phoronix

More AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

There is a lot more if you know whom to follow in LLVM review chains (before getting merged to github), but I am not going to link AMD employees.

I am starting to think MI300 will launch around the same time like Hopper probably only a couple of months later!
Although I believe Hopper had problems not having a host CPU capable of doing PCIe 5 in the very near future therefore it might have gotten pushed back a bit until SPR and Genoa arrives later in 2022.
If PVC slips again I believe MI300 could launch before it

This is nuts, MI100/200/300 cadence is impressive.



Previous thread on CDNA2 and RDNA3 here

Question - Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now. First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time! Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3...

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[GaiaHunter]

The OCUK little flag is saying 100+ sold today for the pulse 9060 16GB and still in stock.

Seems the allocation of Asus at MSRP was 4 primes as they are now oos.

All of the 8GB models are still on the viewed flyer instead of "going fast", thank god.

 

[blckgrffn]

I wouldn't upgrade from a 6700 XT to a 9060 XT either unless I was desperate to play a multiplayer game (PvP or otherwise).

I just made this call. My daughter got a full PC refresh this spring but I pulled forward her 6700XT from her previous PC. I thought to myself this would be a great replacement, maybe $100 or so after flipping the 6700XT.

Nah, with tax and the $30 premium and being real about the value of the 6700XT its more like $200... I don't think we're there yet and she's not a crazy AAA gamer - roblox in Windowed mode is more likely than Helldivers at this point.

I closed my BB cart without check out and I'll hang onto these gift cards for a better opportunity.

 

[Josh128]

I just made this call. My daughter got a full PC refresh this spring but I pulled forward her 6700XT from her previous PC. I thought to myself this would be a great replacement, maybe $100 or so after flipping the 6700XT.

Nah, with tax and the $30 premium and being real about the value of the 6700XT its more like $200... I don't think we're there yet and she's not a crazy AAA gamer - roblox in Windowed mode is more likely than Helldivers at this point.

I closed my BB cart without check out and I'll hang onto these gift cards for a better opportunity.

Yep. This was my point. A case could be made for that upgrade, but not a super compelling one, IMO.

 

[marees]

Yep. This was my point. A case could be made for that upgrade, but not a super compelling one, IMO.

12gb is not sufficient for 1440p Indiana Jones

If you like to play that with high level of texture cache then you may have to upgrade to 16gb...

 

[RnR_au]

... this is the first upgrade since I bought my 6600 XT in 2021.

Funnily enough I will be going from 6600XT to 9060XT 16GB.

Ahh... I have siblings ♥️

I'm sticking with my 6600 until RDNA 5. Being a proud 60hz 1080p gamer means upgrades can be stretched a smidge

 

[IEC]

I bought a XFX Swift AMD Radeon RX 9060XT 16GB OC model - for $349.99 MSRP. I wasn't even looking at launch - I randomly ordered it off Amazon during my lunch break.

Probably the best availability of a GPU launch in recent memory. It actually was obtainable without spamming refresh.

 

[coercitiv]

Being a proud 60hz 1080p gamer means upgrades can be stretched a smidge

Just the kind of gamer we were looking for!

 

[Thunder 57]

And now Tom's has a "Where to buy" 9060 XT, without having reviewed it. Are they the new Anandtech?

I just found out that Jarred left Tom's so that explains things a bit. In his video saying he left he mentioned past places he has worked but oddly left out Anandtech. Maybe they didn't end on great terms. Apparantly someone who used to work at Tom's gave him an offer to work at Phison. I wonder what he is qualified to do there or if an old buddy just threw him a bone. Supposedly he has worked with SSD's, so there's that.

 

[Mahboi]

So from what I gather a 9060 XT is running at 3.1Ghz and using GDDR6 with a 199mm² die, while a 5060 Ti is running at 2.5Ghz and using GDDR7 on a 181mm² die.
How much perf is left on the table with the silly decision to stick with GDDR6?

A friend bought the 9070 XT day one and his VRAM was burning at 95°C on a fat cooler while the chip was gimped at about 70% power. Can't help but feel like we could have seen a 9060 XT be ahead of a 5060 Ti instead of 10% behind.

 

[Thunder 57]

So from what I gather a 9060 XT is running at 3.1Ghz and using GDDR6 with a 199mm² die, while a 5060 Ti is running at 2.5Ghz and using GDDR7 on a 181mm² die.
How much perf is left on the table with the silly decision to stick with GDDR6?

A friend bought the 9070 XT day one and his VRAM was burning at 95°C on a fat cooler while the chip was gimped at about 70% power. Can't help but feel like we could have seen a 9060 XT be ahead of a 5060 Ti instead of 10% behind.

Probably not much. The 5060 Ti 16GB only really benefits from GDDR7 in a few games. Most of the gains can be contributed to being newer and slightly faster or more memory.

Also, I'm not sure where you got 10% behind unless you are talking about ray tracing. Most sites have it within a few percent.

 

[Timorous]

Probably not much. The 5060 Ti 16GB only really benefits from GDDR7 in a few games. Most of the gains can be contributed to being newer and slightly faster or more memory.

Also, I'm not sure where you got 10% behind unless you are talking about ray tracing. Most sites have it within a few percent.

10% behind probably TPU but compared to the other reviews I have seen they seem like an outlier.

 

[Joe NYC]

Still no Tom's Hardware review. Have they not found a reason to give it two stars yet? Did Jarred get hit by a bus? The world may never know.

Maybe Tom's hardware if talking to their "NVidia guy" waiting for their "NVidia guy" to give the article the blessing?

 

[Abwx]

I bought a XFX Swift AMD Radeon RX 9060XT 16GB OC model - for $349.99 MSRP. I wasn't even looking at launch - I randomly ordered it off Amazon during my lunch break.

Probably the best availability of a GPU launch in recent memory. It actually was obtainable without spamming refresh.

That s the one wich was reviewed by Computerbase, 4-5% short of the 5060ti even with RT at 1440p but better for mini fps at 1080p for both raster and RT, the card manage to break the 3.3GHz in some games while power is comparable.

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT im Test: Benchmarks in WQHD sowie Full HD und die Taktraten

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT im Test: Benchmarks in WQHD sowie Full HD und die Taktraten / Performancerating mit und ohne RT in 2.560 × 1.440

www.computerbase.de

 

[SolidQ]

Would be interesting to see next quarter, after RDNA4 launch

but -7% in one quarter?

 

[soresu]

Mine, all mine!

 

[jpiniero]

but -7% in one quarter?

Presumably nVidia did ship a lot of Blackwell. Just not to DIY (other than the 5070).

 

[maddie]

Would be interesting to see next quarter, after RDNA4 launch

but -7% in one quarter?

In reality, their sales dropped by close to 50% (46.7). 15% to 8%. Yeah, looks fishy.

 

[SolidQ]

Yeah, looks fishy

Yeah for me also, looks like suspicious

 

[jpiniero]

In reality, their sales dropped by close to 50% (46.7). 15% to 8%. Yeah, looks fishy.

nVidia has basically 100% share with OEMs in desktops (and laptops are barely less).

 

[maddie]

nVidia has basically 100% share with OEMs in desktops (and laptops are barely less).

This is a very poor argument. I guess you're arguing this to be something new, as it being the norm would have no effect in changing the status quo.

 

[jpiniero]

This is a very poor argument. I guess you're arguing this to be something new, as it being the norm would have no effect in changing the status quo.

That was the quarter nVidia shipped Blackwell to OEMs presumably. New product obviously stimulates things.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah for me also, looks like suspicious

For gaming, I am certain of it. However if those shipment numbers include enterprise, office and workstation, OEM, Big S.I.s like CyberPower, everything? I could see Nvidia and partners shipping basically 9 out of every 10 cards last Q. No way they are that dominant in retail/gaming. Every poll I've seen done by tech sites/channels, targeted at retail/DIY buyers, has AMD for 1 in 3 respondents. I think the LTT poll had almost 90k votes (I can't remember if the poll had closed yet). The TPU poll from 2 years ago mirrored LTT's results -



If any of you get a chance, watch Wendell's review. He says a windows update nerfed his 5060 tie ? Frame pacing went to hell, and lows are terrible. "Linux gaming on AMD is a glorious experience."

I am having a few issues with Holo.iso and Bazzite to workout, but that's on a ASRock deskmini with a pro 2400g. I'll try it on my 5600X3D+RX 6800 and see how that goes. I'll post over in the correct forum if I can't get my VPN (PIA) installed.

EDIT: Got the VPN sorted. Had to use bash to get openvpn installed and the PIA specific commands after that e.g. choose a server and connect. Guessing this would have been much more straight forward and given me the GUI, if I was on something like Ubuntu instead of a Fedora based distro. I will look into flatpak and see if that's the answer to the lack of GUI. Honestly, it emulating a Steam Deck is annoying at times. Had to use a launch command with Fallout 4 so it would override the steam deck graphics settings and let me set them normally on start up.

EDIT: Cheers @Abwx appreciate the answer

 

[igor_kavinski]

Mine, all mine!

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Wow. The box is REALLY attractive!

Don't throw it away!

 

[Abwx]

Would be interesting to see next quarter, after RDNA4 launch

but -7% in one quarter?

JPR survey involve only a few OEMs, something like 4-5.

 

[SolidQ]

However if those shipment numbers include enterprise, office and workstation, OEM, Big S.I.s like CyberPower, everything?

Hard to tell. Because we have this picture, which include IGPU
Absolute total

JPR survey involve only a few OEMs, something like 4-5.

So that mean, not full picture and mostly irrelevant data