Really old thread somebody bumped.

[zendari]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
^ That seems to be the best value right now in the lower-mid range of cards, why don't you start a thread on its performance. Reviews on the net seem impossible to find.

Thanks,
Nat

Haven't received it yet. I'll do so when I get it.

 

[blckgrffn]

Great, should be interesting. I posted it in the hotdeals some time ago, but not too many were interested, seemed turned off by only 128 megs of memory. Shouldn't be a huge deal for that class of card, though.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Great, should be interesting. I posted it in the hotdeals some time ago, but not too many were interested, seemed turned off by only 128 megs of memory. Shouldn't be a huge deal for that class of card, though.

If I could get an x800 for agp for $160-180 I'd jump on the deal in a sec. Unfortunately, it's only available at a reasonable price for pcie right now.

 

[zendari]

You missed the $160 6800 vanilla deal munky?

 

[dornick]

I can't stand this crap anymore -

ATI SUX!!!!, TEH SLI PWNS ALL!!!!

NVIDIA SUX!!!, R520 ROXORS, XFIRE PWNS ALL!!!!


For the love of silicon, people, GROW UP! Most people in this thread are guilty of irrationally promoting one video card brand over another. Here's an example of why this thread blows so hard.
_____________________________

NVidia guy: I guess you have to settle for your CRAPPY, HALF-@SS hardware, while we bask in the glory of 7800 SLI!

ATI dude: The only half-@ss around here is yours! Why dont you take a look at this
OWNAGE!!!

NVidia guy: They ought to win that one. They screwed your mom to be able to do that!

ATI dude: Yeah, well NVidia sleeps with game developers!!!

NVidia Guy: DFeydfv$^&@&*&*$@#$!!!!!!!!!

ATI dude: *&&$#^#$@^$GBHXCV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(They kill each other and the world is a better place)
_____________________________

For the record, I'm the current owner of a 5900XT. I'm upgrading in a month to an X800XL. Why? Because NVidia's closest competitor costs more. And because I won't spend more than $300. What if I wanted to spend $1200? What would I get, morons?

So let's quit the GPU manufacturer bashing since everybody's needs and price point are different. There IS NO Nvidia or ATI ownage. They both make great cards. Figure out which one you want on your own. Don't listen to ANYONE who advises exclusive one way or the other.

I'm done

 

[blckgrffn]

LOL, well put!

 

[GoingUp]

what does taping out mean?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dornick
For the record, I'm the current owner of a 5900XT. I'm upgrading in a month to an X800XL. Why? Because NVidia's closest competitor costs more. And because I won't spend more than $300. What if I wanted to spend $1200? What would I get, morons?

Errr, if you're upgrading to an AGP X800XL, the 6800GT costs less?

 

[BFG10K]

The Far Cry benching tool I used doesn't support it, neither does Doom3 (AFAIK).

Like I said, maybe next year you'll figure it out, along with the ability to move that AF slider of yours.

The problem with your "logic" is that it doesn't take into account that I game daily

How can you game daily and not finish games unless you're playing MP? Which then begs the question of whether you're using HDR and soft shadows at slideshow settings in MP?

Are you?

If not then when exactly are you using these "must have" settings?

Have you ever finished Riddick or Far Cry?

16X AF is not "free" and never has been.

If you're going to argue with that simpleton logic then the same thing could be said about 8x too.

You running at diminished IQ "Performance" settings doesn't count, because upping the filtering while decreasing the detail sort of defeats the purpose.

So I run at 16x and you run at 8x and you've come to the conclusion that I'm reducing detail? Do you even know what AF is?

LOL- I'll "limp along" at my 19X14 4X TAA 8X AF,

You will? So which games will you be using soft shadows and HDR at those settings Rollo? You know, the features that make "OMG nVidia a must have" that you keep constantly pimping?

Tell me Rollo, which games?

Where does your X800XL fall in the hierarchy?

That depends on the game. LIke I said, sometimes it's faster than a 6800U and sometimes it isn't. Of course you'd never know because you spend your days parroting the same benchmarks from three games and pimping "must-have" features.

Yah, you're climbing the video card hierarchy there.

You mean like your pair of 6600 GTs compared to a single 6800GT?
Or your three 5800s compared to a 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro?

Seems to me you gave me a hard time for trying a 5800U for a couple months before the 6800s were available

Yes but my games aren't "W00T, cowering at 1024x768". I run at equal to or better settings on the X800 XL compared to the 6800U (though 8xA compared to 6xAA is certainly up for debate though I personally would give the nod to nVidia for this one).

 

[blckgrffn]

Um, my BBA x800xl AGP cost $210 on the forums. Point out where I could have gotten something better for cheaper. You need a premium brand AGP 6800GT for $210 or less. Isn't going to happen. I would venture to say they aren't out there for less than $235, let alone a BFG or EVGA, which are more like $275. I had a 6800U, and so far, there hasn't been anything that I haven't liked about this x800xl. Actually, it is kind of fun to play with the ATI toolset, like ATI tool. What a great little utility!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10KBlah blah blah. I have nothing to note about current hardware, so I think I'll yammer a while about my opinions of Rollos settings and past card purchases. Other who dislike Rollo will "high five" me! Yippie skips, we'll troll together!

Fixed.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
what does taping out mean?

Colloquially, it's the first batch of chips manufactured at the fab. Technically, I believe it means creating the masks from the blueprint, before producing an actual chip.

The point is, chips don't always work well the first time, so you might want to make some tweaks and spend the money on another tape-out (read: another try) if it'll mean more working chips per wafer, or simply more chips that hit your clock targets.

I must stress that I'm more clueless about fabbing than I am about 3D, so pack some rock salt. There were a few great posts (at least one by aaronspink, IIRC) about this in the Beyond3D forums, if you're willing to search.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Did you try turning off Catalyst AI?

Where? I keep hearing about this and it isn't anywhere that I can find in my control panel.

I think it's only a GUI option with the CCC, but a registry key with the CP (defaults to Low in both cases, AFAIK).

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: dornick
For the record, I'm the current owner of a 5900XT. I'm upgrading in a month to an X800XL. Why? Because NVidia's closest competitor costs more. And because I won't spend more than $300. What if I wanted to spend $1200? What would I get, morons?

Errr, if you're upgrading to an AGP X800XL, the 6800GT costs less?

No, I'm upgrading everything and getting a PCI-express rig. I would go with the 6800 if I were sticking with AGP

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

The Far Cry benching tool I used doesn't support it, neither does Doom3 (AFAIK).

Like I said, maybe next year you'll figure it out, along with the ability to move that AF slider of yours.

The problem with your "logic" is that it doesn't take into account that I game daily

How can you game daily and not finish games unless you're playing MP? Which then begs the question of whether you're using HDR and soft shadows at slideshow settings in MP?

Are you?

If not then when exactly are you using these "must have" settings?

Have you ever finished Riddick or Far Cry?

16X AF is not "free" and never has been.

If you're going to argue with that simpleton logic then the same thing could be said about 8x too.

You running at diminished IQ "Performance" settings doesn't count, because upping the filtering while decreasing the detail sort of defeats the purpose.

So I run at 16x and you run at 8x and you've come to the conclusion that I'm reducing detail? Do you even know what AF is?

LOL- I'll "limp along" at my 19X14 4X TAA 8X AF,

You will? So which games will you be using soft shadows and HDR at those settings Rollo? You know, the features that make "OMG nVidia a must have" that you keep constantly pimping?

Tell me Rollo, which games?

Where does your X800XL fall in the hierarchy?

That depends on the game. LIke I said, sometimes it's faster than a 6800U and sometimes it isn't. Of course you'd never know because you spend your days parroting the same benchmarks from three games and pimping "must-have" features.

Yah, you're climbing the video card hierarchy there.

You mean like your pair of 6600 GTs compared to a single 6800GT?
Or your three 5800s compared to a 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro?

Seems to me you gave me a hard time for trying a 5800U for a couple months before the 6800s were available

Yes but my games aren't "W00T, cowering at 1024x768". I run at equal to or better settings on the X800 XL compared to the 6800U (though 8xA compared to 6xAA is certainly up for debate though I personally would give the nod to nVidia for this one).

BFG, you're making it painfully obvious that you're not the one to turn to if we needed someone to bring calm to a storm. Good Job. Not saying I'm any better, but you're just here to fight, and nothing, not a stitch more.. I feel sorry for you although you'll argue that you don't wan't my pity.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
BFG, you're making it painfully obvious that you're not the one to turn to if we needed someone to bring calm to a storm. Good Job. Not saying I'm any better, but you're just here to fight, and nothing, not a stitch more.. I feel sorry for you although you'll argue that you don't wan't my pity.

How is it, keys, that you feel the need to say this to BFG, but never to Rollo who does it 10x more?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
BFG, you're making it painfully obvious that you're not the one to turn to if we needed someone to bring calm to a storm. Good Job. Not saying I'm any better, but you're just here to fight, and nothing, not a stitch more.. I feel sorry for you although you'll argue that you don't wan't my pity.

How is it, keys, that you feel the need to say this to BFG, but never to Rollo who does it 10x more?

I don't think I need to explain myself to you or anybody Creig. Why should I tell you anything when you're only looking for a way to turn it against me? Your so silly..

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
If someone trolls Rollo, I cheer like a madman and consider it a good day. If Rollo mentions anything that might not be construed as positive about ATI, I email the mods that he's a racist who hates Canada and kick my dog.

Fixed. NP, old buddy.

FYI Creig: as fascinating as an examination of cards I've tried out in the past and the settings I've used is, it has little to do with the topic of the R520 being re-taped.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I don't think I need to explain myself to you or anybody Creig. Why should I tell you anything when you're only looking for a way to turn it against me? Your so silly..

Just trying to understand the logic.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
If someone trolls Rollo, I cheer like a madman and consider it a good day. If Rollo mentions anything that might not be construed as positive about ATI, I email the mods that he's a racist who hates Canada and kick my dog.

Fixed. NP, old buddy.

FYI Creig: as fascinating as an examination of cards I've tried out in the past and the settings I've used is, it has little to do with the topic of the R520 being re-taped.

Nice. I think my 9 year old is more mature. :roll:


Well, let's see if I can play this game too, then...

Originally posted by: Rollo
I'm a 300 lb middle aged man who is so emotionally insecure that I feel the need to insult people who don't purchase at least two top of the line video cards every year.

Fixed.



How was that?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
If someone trolls Rollo, I cheer like a madman and consider it a good day. If Rollo mentions anything that might not be construed as positive about ATI, I email the mods that he's a racist who hates Canada and kick my dog.

Fixed. NP, old buddy.

FYI Creig: as fascinating as an examination of cards I've tried out in the past and the settings I've used is, it has little to do with the topic of the R520 being re-taped.

Nice. I think my 9 year old is more mature. :roll:

Since the example you're setting is following me around every day of your life posting negative things about things I've posted, I wouldn't bet on it.

Creig, you ever think about posting about "video cards" on the video card forum, rather than what you think of my posts or people flaming me?

I can assure you, whether you exist in the world doesn't matter to me at all. The only reason we interact is because you've followed me around flaming me for years now. If you didn't, we would not interact at all.

(i.e. Our discourse is governed by you alone. Something to think about.)

 

[blckgrffn]

Yep, and we are "trolls" for telling him where to stick this beahviour. I feel better that knowing that Keys just pitys us... I am guessing it is because our efforts are so futile

And, on subject, I'll agree that this just sucks in general. It allows nvidia to slowly release new parts at a high premium because there is no other really high end choice, and it hurts ATI in the fact that it just pushes them that much harder to get something out soon, whether or not it is great contender. Here is to hoping that it (ATI R520) has at least a 20% advantage over what nvidia is offering this round so that we don't have to listen to rollo expound the glories of nvidia and all their marvelous works :beer:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
If someone trolls Rollo, I cheer like a madman and consider it a good day. If Rollo mentions anything that might not be construed as positive about ATI, I email the mods that he's a racist who hates Canada and kick my dog.

Fixed. NP, old buddy.

FYI Creig: as fascinating as an examination of cards I've tried out in the past and the settings I've used is, it has little to do with the topic of the R520 being re-taped.

Nice. I think my 9 year old is more mature. :roll:


Well, let's see if I can play this game too, then...

Originally posted by: Rollo
I'm a 300 lb middle aged man who is so emotionally insecure that I feel the need to insult people who don't purchase at least two top of the line video cards every year.

Fixed.



How was that?

Nice Creig. So now you've stooped so low as to insult my weight? Way to go!

I hope you're showing your kids this stuff so they can grow up to be every bit the "man" you are.

"Look son! Daddy doesn't agree with the man, so I called him "fat"!" <cackles with Peter Griffin-esque laugh>

Pathetic.

In any case, I weigh 284, and I'm 6'4"+, so I'm not exactly "round".

 

[blckgrffn]

You post all over in the video forum rollo... when there are large debates like this, is it because creig followed you into the topic? Or maybe it is because he feels compelled to speak only when you go off the deep end and he is inspired with his own perfectly mature ranting? Whew, just so much arguing....

 

[blckgrffn]

Are you going to show your kid all of your posts, Rollo?