Really, really complex chemistry question.

simms

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I need to know what's the difference between gerade and ungerade orbitals, and why we have sigma (gerade), pi (ungerade), etc, etc in molecular bonding and orbital mixing.

I know that gerade is orbitals symmetric to inversion, and ungerade is antisymmetric to inversion.. but what does it mean, and what is it's purpose?

 

ThaChemist

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Originally posted by: simms
I need to know what's the difference between gerade and ungerade orbitals, and why we have sigma (gerade), pi (ungerade), etc, etc in molecular bonding and orbital mixing.

I know that gerade is orbitals symmetric to inversion, and ungerade is antisymmetric to inversion.. but what does it mean, and what is it's purpose?

Hmmm... Not sure I understand your question entirely. It seems that you've answered your first question in the second statement, namely, that gerade signifies an orbital that is symmetric with respect to inversion while ungerade signifies an orbital that is antisymmetric. To understand why it's necessary, you have to understand character tables. You know that a molecule of given symmetry has several possible representations (a la A1, A2, B1, E, etc.). Each of these representations transforms in a particular way with respect to the component transformations of the symmetry group (rotations, reflections, inversions, etc.) For example, the table for a molecule of C2 symmetry looks as follows:

C2 | E C2 |
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A | 1 1 |
B | 1 -1 |
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So the A representation transforms as (1, 1). It's called the A representation because it's symmetric with respect to a C2 transformation. Note that the representation that is antisymmetric with respect to the C2 transformation is denoted as something else - "B". This holds true for any symmetry - look it up... As you go to molecules of higher symmetry, there may be multiple representations that are symmetric with respect to the C2 transformation, but differ in their response to other transformations. Hence, to differentiate these you must add to the description, so you'll see things like A1, or A2. And finally, you may end up with two representations that transform just like A1, except that one is symmetric with respect to inversion, and the other is antisymmetric. To differentiate these, you add the gerade (g) and ungerade (u) notation and end up with A1g and A1u.

Hopefully that convinces you of why the notation is necessary. Now, the next question is how is it useful - what do we learn when we see it? Well, truthfully I've only come across one application, although there may be others. That application is the so-called "selection rules" for an electronic transition. You know that you can stimulate an electron from a molecular orbital to another of higher energy using light, and that the energy required to stimulate a certain transition can be calculated using the energies of the orbitals. When plotted, these energies should constitute the absorbance spectrum of the molecule (generally in the uv-vis region). But when you compare your calculations of all the possible transitions with an actual spectrum, you'll find that certain transitions are -missing- in the spectrum. This is because those transitions are forbidden as a result of quantum mechanics (e.g. they would violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principle). You can predict which transitions are allowed and which are forbidden using certain selection rules, one of which is that, "g -> g and u -> u transitions are forbidden, while g->u transitions are allowed", or something to that effect. So in this case, the g and u subscripts on an orbital help you to quickly determine whether a transition will be allowed or not, without having to look up the character table.

I know it's a long story to explain a single concept, but that's the easiest way I know how. Hey, this stuff isn't easy, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Hopefully it makes sense, I can elaborate a little if something doesn't click. Also, Heisenberg - if you know of any other applications where the g/u notation gives you useful information, please share. I'd be interested to know.
 

simms

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Thanks for the application of the gerade, I understood that. Are we using the same notation for A1, A2, E, etc, because I have never dealt with that before. Nor have I really worked on a character table - I believe we just touched the surfect with respect to HOMOs and LUMOs , and some orbital mixing.

In fact when studying MO diagrams between two elements, the g and u always seem to follow a pattern consistently.... that's sigma g, pi u, pi g (antibonding), sigma u (antibonding) from bottom to top. So why is it always in that order? If gerade means that it's symmetric, how come sigma is gerade, but the anti-bonding sigma is ungerade?
 

ThaChemist

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Originally posted by: simms
Thanks for the application of the gerade, I understood that. Are we using the same notation for A1, A2, E, etc, because I have never dealt with that before. Nor have I really worked on a character table - I believe we just touched the surfect with respect to HOMOs and LUMOs , and some orbital mixing.

ahhhh. Heh heh, then I might have given you a slightly more advanced answer than you were looking for. I'm sure you'll talk about character tables in more detail later... In the meantime, look in the appendix of your inorganic text; you should see a ton of these tables for each of the possible molecular symmetries. You'll also see the A1/B1/E/etc. notation that I'm talking about, but both those representations and the larger tables in general are more applicable to metal-ligand interactions where you observe high symmetry, as opposed to simple diatomics.

In fact when studying MO diagrams between two elements, the g and u always seem to follow a pattern consistently.... that's sigma g, pi u, pi g (antibonding), sigma u (antibonding) from bottom to top. So why is it always in that order? If gerade means that it's symmetric, how come sigma is gerade, but the anti-bonding sigma is ungerade?

this is a bit tougher to explain without pictures, but I'll try. Let's start with an H2 molecule, where you simply mix two 1s orbitals. In the bonding interaction, both orbitals are in-phase, like so: OO. Now, perform an inversion on those two orbitals together... It comes out the same, right? Okay, in the antibonding case, you now have an out-of-phase interaction: O@. When you perform an inversion on that guy, you end up with: @O. Clearly not the same. So the sigma-star molecular orbital exhibits ungerade behaviour. Make sense?

Now try and extend that to pi interactions (utilizing p orbitals). Imagine two Pz orbitals in a bonding interaction vs. an antibonding interaction:

.............O O..................O @
.............@ @.......vs.......@ O

Here you can see that the bonding interaction is actually ungerade, while the antibonding interaction is gerade. You can extend the same principle to d orbitals, but I'm not going to try and draw those out... Here's an interesting generalization, though. Think about the inherent "geradeness" of each class of orbitals. An s orbital (O) by itself is gerade, right? It leads to bonding->gerade, antibonding->ungerade behaviour. A p orbital (O@) by itself is ungerade, and leads to bonding->ungerade, antibonding->gerade. Try to extend this to a d orbital (xy, for example).

In a metal complex, you begin to mix orbitals of different types: a d orbital on the metal interacts with p orbitals on the ligands. Now the simple relationship above doesn't always hold, and things get a bit more complicated. This is where the representations (A1g/A1u) become significant in helping you determine what mixes and how it looks...

Anyway, hope that helps. BTW - where do you go to school?


edit: spelling
 

Eli

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/head explodes

Interesting stuff... ..

I like chemistry, I just never got into it, though... I wouldn't mind learning about it.

I'd like to learn about biochemistry though. Maybe I could come up with the next new agriculturial fertilizer craze.. lol



Is there a name for the study of ... soil? The things living in soil? Systems Soil Science? lol... I've always kinda been interested in the whole "soil web" thing(which is mainly microorganism based), but never dedicated any real time to it... I only know the basics, like that robust soil life is just as important as all the other major variables.
 

simms

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Thanks a lot! I go to Chemical Engineering at the University of Toronto, second year.
 
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