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kaizersose

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Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: Citrix
You guys are so funny your are giving me Israeli and Zionist information. Oh god you guys are so brainwash by those with power i'm sorry to say it!
oh wow! if you dont believe us, do some research yourself. pick any news site and look up the 1967 war (quasi-war, whatever you want to call it). many times you have bragged how you, living in canada and apparently being of arab decent, are much more informed than us americans are. apparently you are mistaken. before you reply that i am brainwashed, at least TRY and do a little reading on the subject first. edit: spelling[/quote] He won?t. Unless he finds a site that has rewritten history to meet his own twisted version, or one with a Palestine flag waving and says Israel was really defeated and the Arab countries gave them the land to help out the poor Jews. This is why you can't argue with a knucklehead like this. No matter what you tell them, no matter how much FACT you can wave under their noses, they will always come back and say.... Drum roll please......................... "You are giving me Israeli and Zionist information"
You might call Americans arrogant, we aren?t arrogant we are just able to see the truth, even it it is painful and hurts our pride. but at lease we can acknowledge it.[/quote]

No I like truth facts. But even if I give you a information about it you won't believe it any why. Look after sept.11 some of you became extremely anrgy about what happened. I understand that but don't start hating all muslims or arabes for what has happened. This is exacly what the Israelis want you to think[/quote]

i am done here. i cant carry on a logical argument with someone who will not accept basic historical fact. this must be exactly how the israeli's feel.

cesar, i almost feel sorry for you. you live in a peaceful educated country and still have managed to corrupt your mind--now i know its possible for suicide bombers to actually think there are virgins waiting for them in paradise.
 

0roo0roo

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No I like truth facts. But even if I give you a information about it you won't believe it any why. Look after sept.11 some of you became extremely anrgy about what happened. I understand that but don't start hating all muslims or arabes for what has happened. This is exacly what the Israelis want you to think


why? did the jews do 9/11?

or was it a bunch of saudi's? a country that supports fundamentalism all over the world.

and angry? americas response was beyond measured. unlike the arab countries we didn't go bombard civilians until our anger passed or everyone was dead. we didn't call for genocide. we didn't call for all out war. we waited, we planned and then we took out the leaders who were responsible.


Chinese yeah ok! beat what?

my objectivity is better then yours. i see religions in the same light because i don't ascribe to one.

i bet you thought i was some jew eh?
 

Cesar

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Originally posted by: kaizersose
Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: Citrix
You guys are so funny your are giving me Israeli and Zionist information. Oh god you guys are so brainwash by those with power i'm sorry to say it!
oh wow! if you dont believe us, do some research yourself. pick any news site and look up the 1967 war (quasi-war, whatever you want to call it). many times you have bragged how you, living in canada and apparently being of arab decent, are much more informed than us americans are. apparently you are mistaken. before you reply that i am brainwashed, at least TRY and do a little reading on the subject first. edit: spelling
He won?t. Unless he finds a site that has rewritten history to meet his own twisted version, or one with a Palestine flag waving and says Israel was really defeated and the Arab countries gave them the land to help out the poor Jews. This is why you can't argue with a knucklehead like this. No matter what you tell them, no matter how much FACT you can wave under their noses, they will always come back and say.... Drum roll please......................... "You are giving me Israeli and Zionist information"
You might call Americans arrogant, we aren?t arrogant we are just able to see the truth, even it it is painful and hurts our pride. but at lease we can acknowledge it.[/quote] No I like truth facts. But even if I give you a information about it you won't believe it any why. Look after sept.11 some of you became extremely anrgy about what happened. I understand that but don't start hating all muslims or arabes for what has happened. This is exacly what the Israelis want you to think[/quote] i am done here. i cant carry on a logical argument with someone who will not accept basic historical fact. this must be exactly how the israeli's feel. cesar, i almost feel sorry for you. you live in a peaceful educated country and still have managed to corrupt your mind--now i know its possible for suicide bombers to actually think there are virgins waiting for them in paradise.[/quote]

LOL, wow relax man stay bias with Israel thats ok. But try to talk to one of them and you will know what kind of people they are I know I had. I swear to you that I have nothing againts jews but Zionists that another story.
peace
 

Cesar

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
No I like truth facts. But even if I give you a information about it you won't believe it any why. Look after sept.11 some of you became extremely anrgy about what happened. I understand that but don't start hating all muslims or arabes for what has happened. This is exacly what the Israelis want you to think
why? did the jews do 9/11? or was it a bunch of saudi's? a country that supports fundamentalism all over the world. and angry? americas response was beyond measured. unlike the arab countries we didn't go bombard civilians until our anger passed or everyone was dead. we didn't call for genocide. we didn't call for all out war. we waited, we planned and then we took out the leaders who were responsible.
Chinese yeah ok! beat what?
my objectivity is better then yours. i see religions in the same light because i don't ascribe to one. i bet you thought i was some jew eh?

Do you have any arabe friends?
 

rahvin

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Look guys, you are arguing with someone that would deny the holcaust happened, it's like trying to teach a pig to sing.
 

0roo0roo

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i don't have any jewish friends. i'm quite fair.


so what the hell are you since you brought it up.

it has no bearing on the facts regardless. quite pointless.

you'd do well to take courses on critical thought, logic, and philosophy.
 

Cesar

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't have any jewish friends. i'm quite fair. so what the hell are you since you brought it up. it has no bearing on the facts regardless. quite pointless.

Answer the question do you have any arabe friends?
 

Cesar

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Look guys, you are arguing with someone that would deny the holcaust happened, it's like trying to teach a pig to sing.

rahvin did I said that. Did I deny the holocaust
 

Cesar

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't have any jewish friends. i'm quite fair. so what the hell are you since you brought it up. it has no bearing on the facts regardless. quite pointless. you'd do well to take courses on critical thought, logic, and philosophy.

You see OrooOroo how ignorant you are, you never talk to an arabe person face to face wow! that realy logical and pilosophical
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
What did Palestine do when Israel launched strikes against an apartment? What can they do? How come the world doesn't allow Palestine to react in the same manner Israel is reacting to this bombing? Maybe because the west is anti-islam/arab???


thats funnny, its the other way around. israel is judged by western standards while palestinians can get away with murder.. literally. the plo's policies are utterly draconian, torture, murder, there is no real judiciary for palestinians.

israel doesn't choose a random apartment to attack. it only attacks war criminals and those that harbor war criminals. if you hide a person that makes bombs that kill dozens or hundreds of civilians, you have to die.

and its funny how you are utterly blind to the fact that only one side targets civilians for death as their primary goal. seems the world is blind to this. the fact that all the islamic countries surrounding israel have commited war crimes by purposely attacking civilian centers each time they had a chance in war is utterly ignored. funny how many people who endlessly rail against israel for the smallest things utterly ignore the draconian policies in the surrounding arab countries. they are more anti israeli then islamic any day.



The media does not jump when Israel kills civilians because they will be bashed for it. Palestine has suicidie bombers,


i'm sorry, doesn't that just make them cowards? or plain stupid. when you lose, a wise choice is to surrender and try to make the best of your life for your childrens sake. examples? japan, germany etc. of course you have the option of self destruction too.



Israel has tanks and jets. What is the difference? Palestinians cannot attack Israel's military as it is far to strong for them to take out so they go for the civilian population.

i'm sorry,did you just really say that because they are too wimpy to go after military, that justifies attacks on civilians? its like hey, i can't go after that soldier, i'm a coward, instead i'll blow up women and children. i'm sorry, but many peoples have suffered and not had to justify mass murder of civilians as their "only choice". its called a false dilema, where you are blind to other REAL choices.

the fact is, the palestinians have guns, and bombs, lots of guns and bombs. if they wanted to, they could attack the military. and the fact is, they constantly do, shoot and the soldiers and bomb houses the soldiers are entering etc. so your arguement is utterly destroyed. the palestinians use suicide bombing for the political reasons and genicidal reasons. killing as many jews as possible is part of their plan, it always was since the time they had discussions with hitler. they also know the people of the world have short memories, and easily sympathise with people that blow themselves up apparenlty. even though the fact is the bombers are educated, have parents, and aren't severely depressed. they arent desperate like the spin doctors would have you believe, its called indoctrinated hatred that has made people capable of attrocities through the ages. like the nazi children sent to their certain deaths at the end of the war, they are indoctrinated to love death more then life, to glory in death and the death of their enemy. and the fact is, death is good for palestinians politically. jews die, they are happy, palestinians die, they got marytres to adore. its win win, and they still have calls for negotiations and everything, nothing lost at all.



Palestinians get away with murder? Israel kills innocent Palestinians just as much. Look at how many innocent Palestinian people have died and then you and compare that number to the number of innocent Israel people that died. So.. since one criminal is living in an apartment complex lets bomb him and kill his whole family with all the other people in that building, right? So that being said killing civilians is really killing the soilder's family.. so according to what you just said that is right.

So you just said Palestinians who shoot at Israel soilders entering THEIR land are criminals? If someone came to the U.S property and decided to search houses and such I guess we all better put down our weapons and let them go about their business, right?

You mean to tell me the soilders of Israel care about the Palestinian people when they go around their searches and takeover of the land? I highly doubt that. They treat them like animals. You treat people like animals they won't care how many of your people die.

Why should Israel care about Palestine and why should they care about Israel? They both hate and they do not care who dies. They both look at each other as animals.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't have any jewish friends. i'm quite fair. so what the hell are you since you brought it up. it has no bearing on the facts regardless. quite pointless.

Answer the question do you have any arabe friends?


wow, seems you've hit a brick wall and had to think of retorts 3 times. if i had arab friends, wouldn't that make me arab biased? even worse for you. either way, in a discussion involving facts, it has no bearing, which is the only point, it is entirely irrelevant. the fact is, you have no other arguement to make. ask absurd irrelevant questions, get absurd irrelevant answers.
 

0roo0roo

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Palestinians get away with murder? Israel kills innocent Palestinians just as much. Look at how many innocent Palestinian people have died and then you and compare that number to the number of innocent Israel people that died. So.. since one criminal is living in an apartment complex lets bomb him and kill his whole family with all the other people in that building, right? So that being said killing civilians is really killing the soilder's family.. so according to what you just said that is right.

this was addressed in one of my first posts, did you not read the thread before posting? palestinian casualties are mostly militants. the fact that there are 4 times as many israeli women dead kind of makes the assertion that theres simple random killing on both sides absurd. israeli death count is kept artificially low by the fact that hundreds of attacks a month are prevented, which means the murderous intent of the palestinians is far hgiher then what results. emergency medical care continues to improve, lowering casualties even further. this medical care though offered is refused by the palestinians. palestinians count suicide bombers, gunmen, dead palestinians(collaborators) they kill themselves, people killed by falling bullets after celebratory gunfire etc as "victims". as you can see, body count inflation is their friend. killing a war criminal with minimal collateral damage is justified when the lives saved are more then that are lost.


So you just said Palestinians who shoot at Israel soilders entering THEIR land are criminals? If someone came to the U.S property and decided to search houses and such I guess we all better put down our weapons and let them go about their business, right?

well the israeli soldiers entering homes are more analogous to fbi agents raiding your house. the palestinians fought the israelis time and time again and lost, losers in war can be occupied. this could have been easily solved through acceptance of peace deals, but they were rejected. they brought what happened to them upon themselves. unless your going to complain that the german/japanese occupations by the US are totally illegal too, ah heck off.


You mean to tell me the soilders of Israel care about the Palestinian people when they go around their searches and takeover of the land? I highly doubt that. They treat them like animals. You treat people like animals they won't care how many of your people die.

wrong again, the israeli military at great risk to itself tries to minimize civilian casualties. this is why they send in soldiers instead of just cluster bombing targets. countless soldiers have been lost to booby trapped houses etc. if they simply wanted body count, they could have done it far more efficiently. official idf policy is to minimize civilian losses whenever possible. palestinian policy is to maximize civilian casualties whenever possible.

Why should Israel care about Palestine and why should they care about Israel? They both hate and they do not care who dies. They both look at each other as animals.

while both sides have their extremists, only one side is utterly controlled and allows its extremists to get away with mass murder, and revels in the glory of blood to boot.
 

RDWYTruckDriver

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Cesar,

Here's a link you should be able to identify with well.


Comical-Ali.com




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LOL
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Aimster
RDWYTruckDriver = anti-Islam and anti-Arab and pro-Israel
Look at all the topics he post. Whenever a palestinian dies you won't see him posting about that here, but the second and Israel dies he is all over it.

I have noticed this trend as well.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Aimster
RDWYTruckDriver = anti-Islam and anti-Arab and pro-Israel
Look at all the topics he post. Whenever a palestinian dies you won't see him posting about that here, but the second and Israel dies he is all over it.

I have noticed this trend as well.


which is mostly irrelevant as the content of his posts are what should be judged, not what threads he decides to devote time to.

and the fact is, there haven't been any jewish suicide bombers killing innocent palestinian civilians in huge numbers for threads to be posted about

so unless you think calling him a jew lover or something is a valid insult, sod off.
 

povertystruck

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Thats right I haven't seen or heard of jewish suicide bombers. However why would you, they use guns and 'sophisticated explosives'.
 

Vernor

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Originally posted by: povertystruck
Thats right I haven't seen or heard of jewish suicide bombers. However why would you, they use guns and 'sophisticated explosives'.

To liquidate murderers.
 

Aimster

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Israel doesn't need suicide bombers. They have all the weapons they want. There is no need to have suicide bomings coming from Israel.

You all cry over all the Israel civilian deaths but a Palestinian does not count. If an Israel soilder kills a civilan you all do not care to bring this topic up. Israel needs to give back the land.

So technically in world war II if Germany wanted to invade poland and just stop there I guess he could of kept Poland. U.S could takeover Iraq and make it the 51st state. Looks like Afghanistan is ours too. Lets go dominate the world.

Britain should never of given up Hong Kong...

point is the war was 40 years ago. Who the hell in that area remembers the war. Times have changed. 40 years ago look at how it was to be in America and to be black.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't need suicide bombers. They have all the weapons they want. There is no need to have suicide bomings coming from Israel.

You all cry over all the Israel civilian deaths but a Palestinian does not count. If an Israel soilder kills a civilan you all do not care to bring this topic up. Israel needs to give back the land.

So technically in world war II if Germany wanted to invade poland and just stop there I guess he could of kept Poland. U.S could takeover Iraq and make it the 51st state. Looks like Afghanistan is ours too. Lets go dominate the world.

Britain should never of given up Hong Kong...

point is the war was 40 years ago. Who the hell in that area remembers the war. Times have changed. 40 years ago look at how it was to be in America and to be black.

Well said. Some can't get around the "suicide bomber" and choose to ignore that the Palestinian trying to fight the powers that be has no other weapon.
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't need suicide bombers. They have all the weapons they want. There is no need to have suicide bomings coming from Israel.

You all cry over all the Israel civilian deaths but a Palestinian does not count. If an Israel soilder kills a civilan you all do not care to bring this topic up. Israel needs to give back the land.

So technically in world war II if Germany wanted to invade poland and just stop there I guess he could of kept Poland. U.S could takeover Iraq and make it the 51st state. Looks like Afghanistan is ours too. Lets go dominate the world.

Britain should never of given up Hong Kong...

point is the war was 40 years ago. Who the hell in that area remembers the war. Times have changed. 40 years ago look at how it was to be in America and to be black.

Well said. Some can't get around the "suicide bomber" and choose to ignore that the Palestinian trying to fight the powers that be has no other weapon.
It's not the weapon - it's the target.

 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't need suicide bombers. They have all the weapons they want. There is no need to have suicide bomings coming from Israel.

You all cry over all the Israel civilian deaths but a Palestinian does not count. If an Israel soilder kills a civilan you all do not care to bring this topic up. Israel needs to give back the land.

So technically in world war II if Germany wanted to invade poland and just stop there I guess he could of kept Poland. U.S could takeover Iraq and make it the 51st state. Looks like Afghanistan is ours too. Lets go dominate the world.

Britain should never of given up Hong Kong...

point is the war was 40 years ago. Who the hell in that area remembers the war. Times have changed. 40 years ago look at how it was to be in America and to be black.

Well said. Some can't get around the "suicide bomber" and choose to ignore that the Palestinian trying to fight the powers that be has no other weapon.


this is bullsh*t and you know it. they fire rockets at apartments for f*cksake. thats hardly unarmed. their gunmen have gunfights and chuck explosives/booby traps at israeli troops all the time. course instead of going to total war, they hide behind their women and children.

its the big lie that they have no other weapons. and its the big lie that faced with defeat you kill women and children as your targets. has it been in every case where a people lose a war they decide to slaughter civilians? obviously not. do'nt even try pushing that lie.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesn't need suicide bombers. They have all the weapons they want. There is no need to have suicide bomings coming from Israel.

You all cry over all the Israel civilian deaths but a Palestinian does not count. If an Israel soilder kills a civilan you all do not care to bring this topic up. Israel needs to give back the land.

So technically in world war II if Germany wanted to invade poland and just stop there I guess he could of kept Poland. U.S could takeover Iraq and make it the 51st state. Looks like Afghanistan is ours too. Lets go dominate the world.

Britain should never of given up Hong Kong...

point is the war was 40 years ago. Who the hell in that area remembers the war. Times have changed. 40 years ago look at how it was to be in America and to be black.

Well said. Some can't get around the "suicide bomber" and choose to ignore that the Palestinian trying to fight the powers that be has no other weapon.


this is bullsh*t and you know it. they fire rockets at apartments for f*cksake. thats hardly unarmed. their gunmen have gunfights and chuck explosives/booby traps at israeli troops all the time. course instead of going to total war, they hide behind their women and children.

its the big lie that they have no other weapons. and its the big lie that faced with defeat you kill women and children as your targets. has it been in every case where a people lose a war they decide to slaughter civilians? obviously not. do'nt even try pushing that lie.

A lie? Ok.

No ones saying killing civilians is good or even acceptable. That's what they do though, we can demonize them and continue carrying on with the failed policy in place, genocide might work(worse then bombing civilians though), or you could try to understand why they continue their fight. Take your pick, but don't whine about the consequences.
 

Vernor

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The IDF routinely uncovers large stashes of weapons that the various organizations hide all over the place.

Thing is, for a guerilla war against military targets, you need to be smart and resourcefull.


Much easier to promise brainwashed young men 72 virgins in heaven, and send them to blow up kindergartens.

 

povertystruck

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Who starts up illegal settlements? civillians. Who is forcing innocent jews to stay in Israel? nobody. Maybe if 'zionist' jews(im not saying all jews) would stop creating illegal settlements than 'terrorism' would be REDUCED. However that will not happen, they are the zionist strategy for regional control, and can be used in negotiations (if they crack down on terrorism well give up a few settlements and blah blah).
 
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