Recommend me some RAM

anthonee1230

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Going to be getting an i7-860 sometime in December, as well as THIS: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...nufacture=ASUS

I'm planning to have total 4GB of RAM so can someone recommend a good DDR3 Core i7 dual channel kit for me?

Some friends have recommended the G.Skill Trident's; how are those?

I prefer not to go over $130 CAD and the store is going to be NCIX.com

Are the Corsair XMS3 (not the DHX ones) any good? How about OCZ?

EDIT: I do plan on overclocking a bit so maybe DDR3-1600 is the speed I should be looking for?
 
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anthonee1230

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I don't quite understand, instead of going i7 you're saying I should just add more RAM and it will be as if I upgraded to i7?
 

n7

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You can OC i5/i7s with basically the lowest of the low end crappy RAM, since you have RAM ratios available that allow for very low speeds of DDR3.

(In short, RAM does NOT hold back a CPU OC on i5/i7.)

That said, i don't really recommend going that route, especially when good RAM is only slightly better than the cheapest stuff.

I'd suggest looking @ newegg.ca though, & then find the same kit on NCIX & pricematch, as right now, NCIX is pretty overpriced for all RAM.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...ue&Order=PRICE

Look at all the sub $100 kits...there's decent DDR3-1600 kits under $100 CND; NCIX has crap all reasonably priced (hence the PriceMatch suggestion).

Here's an example of a great deal!
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820211409

Even with newegg.ca insanely expensive shipping, it's still way way better priced that NCIX's stuff.
 

exar333

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Get memory that's rated for 1.5v operation.

+1.

Get good quality RAM (not the cheapest, but not the most expensive) and you are good to go in i5/i7 OC.

I completely disagree with the poster about "just getting more RAM". This might be applicable if you were coming from a high-end C2Q or PhX4, but you will be very happy going from a mid-C2D to a high-end i5/i7.

Enjoy.
 

exar333

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I'm going to make a different recommendation than building a new system. Add more RAM to your current system. See this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2027010

I think that you'll find the performance increase will make your current system seem like brand new.

Along this same route, I would be happy to offer you a "CPU optimization package" for only $99.99. You don't even need more hardware, just allow me to grab all your personal information from your system, "tweak the OS" and BAM! your system is 10x faster.

:sneaky:
 

Yellowbeard

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In my opinion, 1600 is the sweet spot for most OCers using Core i* CPUs. It's not terribly expensive and it will let you get most of what any average CPU on average cooling will do. Just be sure to get memory that operates at 1.65v or less.
 

n7

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could you elaborate for those of us not knowing what difference this makes?

I'm curious to hear Blain's take on this, but i'll answer why i don't fully agree.

1.5v = JEDEC's official voltage.

As all RAM w/ higher than rated voltage also has SPD profiles for default 1.5v operation, i do not consider this to be a legitimate advantage.
By default, you won't be running higher voltage unless you manually set it.
You'll generally need to do the same w/ timings & speeds unless the kit used has an XMP profile & you enable that in the BIOS


I suspect Blain also considers it to be more reliable as it's not over JEDEC spec voltage.

If overclocking is not something of interest, & reliability is absolutely paramount, then i'd agree with sticking with something rated 1.5v.

If overclocking is considered, being able to run higher than 1.5v (within reason, like say 1.65v) is not a bad thing IMO.
Most JEDEC rated kits tend to be lower rated/binned than their higher rated counterparts as they don't scale as well with voltage, making them less ideal for overclocking.

While you certainly can find great RAM @ JEDEC speeds for overclocking, the reality is, most manufacturers do some form of binning, & the end result makes the lower voltage kits poorer overclockers.

Reliability is a rather difficult thing to determine, as JEDEC voltage RAM fails just as higher rated does.

I'd say it's always wise to err on the side of caution obviously & stick with lower voltages when possible.
There's no question that at higher voltages, RAM will die far more quickly than at lower ones.
However, as long as those voltages are kept within reason, it does not appear affect reliability from what i've seen.
I've always considered an extra notch or two over JEDEC fine, but much more, & i'd agree you are gambling more (with anecdotal forum evidence seeming to support this).


Another reason i don't fully agree with looking @ JEDEC only kits is that you can always undervolt.
This can often be achieved at close to stock speeds/timings on good kits, or sometimes even with an overclock.
Other poorer kits will require drops in speeds/timings to do this.


In short, for someone wanting to run stock, new to overclocking, or someone who doesn't want to play with settings in the BIOS, looking at JEDEC voltage kits is a very wise idea.

For the rest of us who like tweaking a bit more, i cannot fully agree.
 

GP_Pacer_Blue

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I would buy a Q9650 or q9550. I this would allow you to bypass the i5 & i7 platforms and DDR3. If think about it, this upgrade would allow you to wait for the 6 core cpu, sata 3.0, usb 3.0, and any other that may come in the future. With the Q9650 or Q9550 setup, I would install 8gb of ram DDR2 1066 MHz and sit on this platform for 18 to 24 months. This upgrade would cost you for a low of $400. And if you feel that your system may become dated, then buy good cpu cooler and overclock the cpu and add an ssd hdd drive (Intel, OCZ or 2 Kingston 40gb ssd in RAID 0).

Do the math, your willing to spend approximately $800 dollars (US) on i5/i7 platform and only gain HT, DDR3 and a little more overhead for overclocking?

Come on! Man!
 

anthonee1230

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Two answers to that:

a) Intel Retail Edge Big Deal in December has i7-860 for $130
b) Q9550 is $330.91 before 12% tax, let's say DDR3 4GB is around $125 before tax and the P7P55D board I have in mind right now is $150. That's only $130 (let's say $150 because of exchange rate assuming Retail Edge uses USD and I'm being generous here) + $125 + $150 = $425 for an upgrade to i7-860 based system.

I already have my video card (1GB 4870) as well as OS, CD/DVD drive, Case and PSU.

I think it makes sense to me...$500 for an upgrade to i7 and I'm re-using most of my parts compared to $330.91 for Q9550.

Plus I think the gains from going to a mid-range Core 2 Duo to i7 is more than just HT, DDR3, 2 cores, Turbo Boost and more overclocking overhead.

Another question while I'm still here; how does the P55-UD3R compare to the P7P55D? Or are they essentially the same board in terms of overclockability, and performance. I noticed the P7P55D has more power phases (12+2) compared to the UD3R (8). Neither of them support SLI but I'm not going to be going for any dual card setup anyway.
 
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n7

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Yeah, Retail Edge deal is lovely.

Here's my results with my P55-UD3R.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28962031&postcount=4

I was deciding between it & the P755D when i bought my mobo.

I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it was cheaper, & had more SATA ports.

This is the better Gigabyte to look at right now though i think.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=46237&vpn=GA-P55A-UD3&manufacture=Gigabyte

Doesn't have eSATA; not sure what power phases.

But it has a couple SATA3 ports, & USB 3.0.

I'd say the only thing i dislike about my mobo is the fact it does a shitty job of recovering from RAM timing/speeds that are not stable.

Asus boards tend to recover to stock beautifully when you push the RAM too hard, & you never have to reset CMOS.

On my Gigabyte, i had to reset CMOS a lot while pushing my RAM.

That really only occurred due to trying to run the RAM past capable speeds/timings though, so if you aren't aggressive when testing your stuff, it won't be an issue.
 
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GP_Pacer_Blue

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I never shopped at NCIX.com before. Did you just say that NCIX.com has pricematch policy? I don't know what the exchange rate is but, on newegg the q9550 in the US shows up for $254.99. I don't know if they do bing.com for CB in Canada. Does this link show up for you at $254.99?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819115041 :twisted:

Pricematch would be your best friend in the situation. :sneaky:
 

anthonee1230

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SATA ports not an issue, I'm going to be running at the most 2 HDD and 1 Optical drive.

I'd rather have eSATA as an option on the board.

Well I am going to be getting DDR3-1600 RAM so if I'm going to be overclocking an i7-860 I don't think I would be pushing the RAM too hard.

I think I'll stick with the ASUS, the price difference isn't that great in any case. And I will be price matching when I can.

What are some tips when it comes to overclocking i7's?

In terms of max/safe 24/7 voltages, approximate FSB (I guess this is now BCLK frequency on i5/i7), and temperatures?
 
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