Lol, you say that Manny/Ortiz have protected each other, which is true. Yet Sheffield has Jeter batting before him, ARod after him, then Matsui, and Posada (all 2004 All Stars). That ranks up with the best of lineups offensively if you ask me...Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's the only case you can make for Sheffield, is that he has hit "clutch" homeruns. Last year Ortiz hit as many, if not more "clutch" homers than Sheffield this year and didn't win MVP. Statistically, Ortiz or Manny should win MVP from an offensive standpoint IMO:Originally posted by: Argo
Sheffield should play today, the only reason he was out on sunday was because of astroturf. Arod can still hit as shown by the Toronto series. Pitching isn't as bad as everybody thinks, bullpen is by far the best in baseball, especially when Steve Karsay gets back (tomorrow).
And oh yeah, did I mention that Sheffield should be AL MVP? The guy had several game tieing home runs in the 9th inning of opposing teams closers. Pretty much every home run he's hit was either to tie the game or to put yanks ahead. That's clutch!
Sheffield: 465AB, 33HR, 98RBI, .408OBP (pretty good), .561SLG, .297BA
Manny: 455AB, 34HR, 104RBI, .407OBP, .618SLG, .316BA
Ortiz: 478AB, 33HR, 114RBI, .375OBP, .605SLG, .301BA (Career highs in ALL CATEGORIES)
Usually, the MVP goes to the "breakout year" of a player vs clutch ability. Ortiz has 16 more RBI in 13 more ABs than Sheffield, that is more than significant. You could also make a great case for Manny as well, since he has better numbers than Sheffield in 10 less ABs.
Manny and Ortiz have each other to protect him. The same reason neither of the Cardinals trio will win MVP this year. Sheffield has been pitched around a lot this year and he has an MVP batting behind him (although a-rod has been bad with RISP this year). Plus Sheffield has been playing hurt the entire season - and he never complained. That alone would put him over the top. Not to take anything away from Manny or Ortiz but media likes stories like Sheffs and it's the writers who vote.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Lol, you say that Manny/Ortiz have protected each other, which is true. Yet Sheffield has Jeter batting before him, ARod after him, then Matsui, and Posada (all 2004 All Stars). That ranks up with the best of lineups offensively if you ask me...Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's the only case you can make for Sheffield, is that he has hit "clutch" homeruns. Last year Ortiz hit as many, if not more "clutch" homers than Sheffield this year and didn't win MVP. Statistically, Ortiz or Manny should win MVP from an offensive standpoint IMO:Originally posted by: Argo
Sheffield should play today, the only reason he was out on sunday was because of astroturf. Arod can still hit as shown by the Toronto series. Pitching isn't as bad as everybody thinks, bullpen is by far the best in baseball, especially when Steve Karsay gets back (tomorrow).
And oh yeah, did I mention that Sheffield should be AL MVP? The guy had several game tieing home runs in the 9th inning of opposing teams closers. Pretty much every home run he's hit was either to tie the game or to put yanks ahead. That's clutch!
Sheffield: 465AB, 33HR, 98RBI, .408OBP (pretty good), .561SLG, .297BA
Manny: 455AB, 34HR, 104RBI, .407OBP, .618SLG, .316BA
Ortiz: 478AB, 33HR, 114RBI, .375OBP, .605SLG, .301BA (Career highs in ALL CATEGORIES)
Usually, the MVP goes to the "breakout year" of a player vs clutch ability. Ortiz has 16 more RBI in 13 more ABs than Sheffield, that is more than significant. You could also make a great case for Manny as well, since he has better numbers than Sheffield in 10 less ABs.
Manny and Ortiz have each other to protect him. The same reason neither of the Cardinals trio will win MVP this year. Sheffield has been pitched around a lot this year and he has an MVP batting behind him (although a-rod has been bad with RISP this year). Plus Sheffield has been playing hurt the entire season - and he never complained. That alone would put him over the top. Not to take anything away from Manny or Ortiz but media likes stories like Sheffs and it's the writers who vote.
also I guarantee either Rolen or Pujols will win MVP if Beltre cools down... all this talk about Bonds as MVP makes me want to crack up laughing! Bobby Cox pitched to him in the first game and he went 1-3, also how about all the hoopla about Bonds hitting .400? Where are they now?!
The lead will be cut to 3 games and change for NY after tonight. Good luck NY, giving up 16 runs to Cleveland is only the beginning :evil:
Originally posted by: apac
IMA CUT YOU SO BAD THAT...THAT YOU'LL WISH I HADN'T CUT YOU SO BAD!!!
Originally posted by: cluy44
looks like the yanks cant stop sinking...22-0 loss to cleveland!! LOL
and the sox win 10-7 against the angels.
nyy 3.5 game lead
bos 2.3 game lead in wild card
BTW... 22-0 loss is the worst shutout loss in AL history.. :laugh:
Enjoy it now, red sox fan!Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: cluy44
looks like the yanks cant stop sinking...22-0 loss to cleveland!! LOL
and the sox win 10-7 against the angels.
nyy 3.5 game lead
bos 2.3 game lead in wild card
BTW... 22-0 loss is the worst shutout loss in AL history.. :laugh:
bwaahahahahah worst loss in AL history!!
Sheffield didn't do anything last night in the 22-0 azzwhipping the Indians handed NY. Manny had 2HR's. Manny should win MVP on consistency alone... Ortiz will come in a close 2nd. Sheffield and Vlad can fight it out for 3rd. Frankly, if you ask me who MVP is, it's Johan Santana, the man is a beast this year! Or you could even make arguments for K-Rod on Anaheim, he is absolutely unhittable. 2nd for MVP in pitching would have to be Rich Harden, he hits 97mph on the radar towards the end of games! He has really added another dimension to that nasty Oakland staff.Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Lol, you say that Manny/Ortiz have protected each other, which is true. Yet Sheffield has Jeter batting before him, ARod after him, then Matsui, and Posada (all 2004 All Stars). That ranks up with the best of lineups offensively if you ask me...Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's the only case you can make for Sheffield, is that he has hit "clutch" homeruns. Last year Ortiz hit as many, if not more "clutch" homers than Sheffield this year and didn't win MVP. Statistically, Ortiz or Manny should win MVP from an offensive standpoint IMO:Originally posted by: Argo
Sheffield should play today, the only reason he was out on sunday was because of astroturf. Arod can still hit as shown by the Toronto series. Pitching isn't as bad as everybody thinks, bullpen is by far the best in baseball, especially when Steve Karsay gets back (tomorrow).
And oh yeah, did I mention that Sheffield should be AL MVP? The guy had several game tieing home runs in the 9th inning of opposing teams closers. Pretty much every home run he's hit was either to tie the game or to put yanks ahead. That's clutch!
Sheffield: 465AB, 33HR, 98RBI, .408OBP (pretty good), .561SLG, .297BA
Manny: 455AB, 34HR, 104RBI, .407OBP, .618SLG, .316BA
Ortiz: 478AB, 33HR, 114RBI, .375OBP, .605SLG, .301BA (Career highs in ALL CATEGORIES)
Usually, the MVP goes to the "breakout year" of a player vs clutch ability. Ortiz has 16 more RBI in 13 more ABs than Sheffield, that is more than significant. You could also make a great case for Manny as well, since he has better numbers than Sheffield in 10 less ABs.
Manny and Ortiz have each other to protect him. The same reason neither of the Cardinals trio will win MVP this year. Sheffield has been pitched around a lot this year and he has an MVP batting behind him (although a-rod has been bad with RISP this year). Plus Sheffield has been playing hurt the entire season - and he never complained. That alone would put him over the top. Not to take anything away from Manny or Ortiz but media likes stories like Sheffs and it's the writers who vote.
also I guarantee either Rolen or Pujols will win MVP if Beltre cools down... all this talk about Bonds as MVP makes me want to crack up laughing! Bobby Cox pitched to him in the first game and he went 1-3, also how about all the hoopla about Bonds hitting .400? Where are they now?!
The lead will be cut to 3 games and change for NY after tonight. Good luck NY, giving up 16 runs to Cleveland is only the beginning :evil:
Neither Matsui, Jeter or Posada are having as good of a season as Ortiz/Manny. It's not even close. Furthermore, Bonds will win the MVP this year as much as I dislike that. The guy has .600 OBP for crying out loud. I don't remember the numbers, but I believe it's .150 higher than the next guy. He has over 100 INTENTIONAL walks, I think that more than ALL the other players in MLB TOGETHER. You take Bonds from that team and Giants aren't even contending this year. And, oh btw he still leads the league in hitting, even though he's not hitting .400. Just the fact that you don't think he'll win the MVP shows how little you know about baseball.
Ok, now the guy is an ass, but that's a whole different story.
Originally posted by: raystorm
here's a bump with some news...
Kevin Brown went into the clubhouse when he was taken out of the game and proceded to break his left hand hitting something (non pitching hand). What a stupid thing to do.. love the attitude but boy that was dumb.
Brown breaks left hand
Originally posted by: pmoa
wow what a dumba$$! we still got some tough games ahead of us red sox fans....I got tix to see them here in baltimore one last time before the playoffs! then its off to Boston to get Tix!
Sox will easily win Wild Card if not the division outright.Originally posted by: raystorm
Originally posted by: pmoa
wow what a dumba$$! we still got some tough games ahead of us red sox fans....I got tix to see them here in baltimore one last time before the playoffs! then its off to Boston to get Tix!
Tough games maybe..but you realize that buy sweeping the angels and now taking the first game against the Ranger the Red Sox are slowly pulling themselves ahead of the wild card race. The games with Oakland should be tough though, but I don't see any reason why the Red Sox can't take at least 2 out of 3.
Individually, perhaps, but there is 3 of them. Not to mention Alex Rodriguez. The argument that Sheffield has low support is rather poor.Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Lol, you say that Manny/Ortiz have protected each other, which is true. Yet Sheffield has Jeter batting before him, ARod after him, then Matsui, and Posada (all 2004 All Stars). That ranks up with the best of lineups offensively if you ask me...Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's the only case you can make for Sheffield, is that he has hit "clutch" homeruns. Last year Ortiz hit as many, if not more "clutch" homers than Sheffield this year and didn't win MVP. Statistically, Ortiz or Manny should win MVP from an offensive standpoint IMO:Originally posted by: Argo
Sheffield should play today, the only reason he was out on sunday was because of astroturf. Arod can still hit as shown by the Toronto series. Pitching isn't as bad as everybody thinks, bullpen is by far the best in baseball, especially when Steve Karsay gets back (tomorrow).
And oh yeah, did I mention that Sheffield should be AL MVP? The guy had several game tieing home runs in the 9th inning of opposing teams closers. Pretty much every home run he's hit was either to tie the game or to put yanks ahead. That's clutch!
Sheffield: 465AB, 33HR, 98RBI, .408OBP (pretty good), .561SLG, .297BA
Manny: 455AB, 34HR, 104RBI, .407OBP, .618SLG, .316BA
Ortiz: 478AB, 33HR, 114RBI, .375OBP, .605SLG, .301BA (Career highs in ALL CATEGORIES)
Usually, the MVP goes to the "breakout year" of a player vs clutch ability. Ortiz has 16 more RBI in 13 more ABs than Sheffield, that is more than significant. You could also make a great case for Manny as well, since he has better numbers than Sheffield in 10 less ABs.
Manny and Ortiz have each other to protect him. The same reason neither of the Cardinals trio will win MVP this year. Sheffield has been pitched around a lot this year and he has an MVP batting behind him (although a-rod has been bad with RISP this year). Plus Sheffield has been playing hurt the entire season - and he never complained. That alone would put him over the top. Not to take anything away from Manny or Ortiz but media likes stories like Sheffs and it's the writers who vote.
also I guarantee either Rolen or Pujols will win MVP if Beltre cools down... all this talk about Bonds as MVP makes me want to crack up laughing! Bobby Cox pitched to him in the first game and he went 1-3, also how about all the hoopla about Bonds hitting .400? Where are they now?!
The lead will be cut to 3 games and change for NY after tonight. Good luck NY, giving up 16 runs to Cleveland is only the beginning :evil:
Neither Matsui, Jeter or Posada are having as good of a season as Ortiz/Manny. It's not even close. Furthermore, Bonds will win the MVP this year as much as I dislike that. The guy has .600 OBP for crying out loud. I don't remember the numbers, but I believe it's .150 higher than the next guy. He has over 100 INTENTIONAL walks, I think that more than ALL the other players in MLB TOGETHER. You take Bonds from that team and Giants aren't even contending this year. And, oh btw he still leads the league in hitting, even though he's not hitting .400. Just the fact that you don't think he'll win the MVP shows how little you know about baseball.
Ok, now the guy is an ass, but that's a whole different story.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Here's yourOriginally posted by: TheAudit
Thanks, NY Mets.
Any game where Pedro K's 10 and gives up only 3 hits is a success. The bats will be back tonight.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Red Sox only the 4th MLB team in history to sell out an entire season!
Funny how NYY have never done that. Why? 1 word: Fairweather.Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Red Sox only the 4th MLB team in history to sell out an entire season!
Not that hard when your stadium seats about 35,000.