Reforming the Filibuster

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DCal430

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From what I understand is sometime after 9/11 Congress needed to get a bunch of stuff done, so they essentially agreed to new Senate rules that allowed Senators to essentially anonymously file paper work to have a filibuster. At the time it was done as a time saver however we can all see that its being misused and its time to reform it. Simply change the Senate rule (this does not involve the constitution) to go back to "stand your ass up and talk" to filibuster. That way we would all know EXACTLY whom is opposing a bill and WHY they oppose it. I feel that would prevent the useless filibusters to prevent the opposing side from passing good legislation and anyone whose main interest is to gum up the works would be exposed. If its an item none of us want passed then that Senator is the hero.
Once again this is my brief overview of it so I could be slightly off although I'm sure someone will let me know.

Then you remember WRONG, the rule change happen in 1975. If you look at the number of Fillibusters each year, you will see the number increase dramatically after 1975.
 

DCal430

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If the Democrats are stupid enough to fall for this line, they deserve to keep getting blocked. It presumes that if the Democrats keep the filibuster as it is now, that the Republicans will also not change it the next time they get power. Which is a sucker's bet.



And it's the Democratic senators' job to prevent the filibuster from being abused to block everything under the sun. The filibuster is not a constitutional requirements -- it's a senate procedure that was set up for a specific purpose by agreement of both parties. If one of them is going to abuse it, as the GOP has for the last two years, it needs to be overhauled or eliminated.

Actually the most filibusters happen during the last two years of Bush presidency, strangely by the GOP. I found it amusing the GOP felt a need to filibuster anything when Bush was president, since he could veto any thing.
 

dank69

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The democrats abused it about a much. Both sides abuse it.
Yes, in the same way that 68 (all time high for Democrats in 2006-2007) is about as much as over 100 (for each of the 3 two-year sessions since including 139 in the 2008-2009 session). Yup, 139 is about as much as 68.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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The Republicans don't say "No" to everything. Lay the majority of the blame at the feet of Majority leader Reid. The Republican Senators are doing what they can to stop bad laws and bad nominations from being passed, it's their job.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Another ignorant troll who blindly believes in his party!

Let me point out some FACTS that show that you are once again completely wrong:

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/02/234775/mcconell-wont-confirm/

Specifically this chart:



Here's a GOP judge that local GOP officials like, but because of the national "say no" policy, the GOP won't even approve one of their own:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/a-poor-excuse-to-block-judges.html?_r=0

And lest you try to duhvert with recess appointments, this shows that Obama has the least amount of recess appointments of all recent Presidents:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/chart-day-presidential-recess-appointments

You got any more lies you want to put out, or you want to give up and try again in another thread? Poor mono, can't even troll that well.
 

nageov3t

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returning it to the days where the filibustering Senator(s) are required to speak is probably the one change I'd really agree with.

it seems quixotic to filibuster a bill on the grounds that more debate is needed, and then proceed to not debate the issue in the Senate at all.

this "filling the tree" nonsense has also been abused lately and is part of the reason why the filibuster has also been ramped up as a counter to it (wherein the majority party "fills the tree" to deny the minority party a chance to propose amendments to a bill, and the minority then feels compelled to filibuster it)
 

Ausm

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Yes, in the same way that 68 (all time high for Democrats in 2006-2007) is about as much as over 100 (for each of the 3 two-year sessions since including 139 in the 2008-2009 session). Yup, 139 is about as much as 68.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::biggrin:
 

DCal430

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Yes, in the same way that 68 (all time high for Democrats in 2006-2007) is about as much as over 100 (for each of the 3 two-year sessions since including 139 in the 2008-2009 session). Yup, 139 is about as much as 68.

FYI the 139 was during 2007-2008 when Bush was president, not 2008 to 2009 session.

I am not saying GOP hasn't abused it, but they average around 64 a year in the last 6 years, while democrats averaged closer to 35. The all time for democrats was 82 in 1995-1996 not 68. While it is higher, 35 a year is still excessive and abusive.
 

monovillage

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Try making a rational argument. You know, just for a change of pace.

I did and got a "Harry Reid says it's all the Republicans fault" reply.
and honestly a link to thinkprogress? That's like linking to Jihadwatch.com in a middle eastern thread.
 

Ausm

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]I did and got a "Harry Reid says it's all the Republicans fault" reply[/B].
and honestly a link to thinkprogress? That's like linking to Jihadwatch.com in a middle eastern thread.

Who said that? We don't need Harry to point out the obvious.
 

Charles Kozierok

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I did and got a "Harry Reid says it's all the Republicans fault" reply.

No, you made some naked assertions that turned out to be factually inaccurate.

You get a "Harry Reid says it's the Republicans' fault" response when all you have to offer is BS about it all being Harry Reid's fault.

But the numbers don't lie.. and they show that the GOP has routinely abused the filibuster for years. This reform is coming for very valid reasons.
 
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I just had an interesting thought, going back to the old way of making them stand & talk would likely get more people more engaged in politics which could be a good thing. Seriously imagine the water cooler talk with news covering it 24/7
 

RampantAndroid

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The Republicans don't say "No" to everything. Lay the majority of the blame at the feet of Majority leader Reid. The Republican Senators are doing what they can to stop bad laws and bad nominations from being passed, it's their job.

If you look at a lot of the votes Reid moves to cloture on, aren't most of them passed with a vast majority? Doesn't that say something?
 

Farang

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I hope to see changes. McConnel and the rest can gripe, can threaten, can remind Democrats they won't have the majority forever.. but fact is majority has ruled the Senate longer than this 60-vote requirement has been around. It's returning to normal.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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stinkprogress and commiejones are links I can really believe in!

Sucks to be that disconnected from reality doesn't it?

Those are facts...any website can look p the numbers.

Why don't you refute them with some facts (as opposed to your usual BS and lies) of your own? You say it isn't true, so there should be lots of information out there for you to post.

Instead, you act like a baby throwing a tantrum and resort to childish name-calling....typical.
 

Thump553

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As a side point to further emphasize the need for reform of Senate rules-it is reported two Senators will poket veto Rice if she is nominated for Sec of State (presumably McCain and his BFF).
 
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