Reliable 4GB DDR2 RAM

[ryderOCZ]

Mr. Royal,

What works for you, works for you. I am glad you are happy with your purchases.

To tell everyone that they can replicate your results with every kit of XYZ ram that is in production is, quite probably, not true.
Are you going to give your personal guarantee, that every kit will perform as you say it will?
Will you take responsibility and explain to someone why they can't achieve your results? Will you refund their money or send them a new pair?

Every claim printed on a kit of ram that Corsair, G-Skill, OCZ, Mushkin, and even Kingston (on their other products) produces is guaranteed, in writing, for life. What you are telling people is not.
Your posts seek to discredit companies who stand by their product, make claims that cannot be proven, and that no one will take responsibility for.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not force that opinion on others who have not asked for it.

Thank you.

 

[zsero]

Its really great to read so many responses, thank you for every information.
For me, 2 x 2 GB is a must, since I would like work under XP x64 under 3D DCC applications and soon I will need to upgrade to 8 GB.
So far, I live Europe and here not every RAM are avaible, for example G.Skill is not an option for me.
I would like to overclock my Q6600@3600, do you think I would get any performance gain at 4*850 over 9*800 for _real_world_ applications? I mean I dont care about synthetic memory test, I would like to get a reliable 3D workstation and free-time gaming machine.

I have the following options here:
Corsair TwinX2 4096 DHX, DDR800
Geil Ultra, Black Dragon, Evo One, DDR800 and DDR1066
OCZ crazy named DDR800 modules and the new ReaperX DDR1000
Super Talent DDR800

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ
Mr. Royal,

What works for you, works for you. I am glad you are happy with your purchases.

To tell everyone that they can replicate your results with every kit of XYZ ram that is in production is, quite probably, not true.
Are you going to give your personal guarantee, that every kit will perform as you say it will?
Will you take responsibility and explain to someone why they can't achieve your results? Will you refund their money or send them a new pair?

Every claim printed on a kit of ram that Corsair, G-Skill, OCZ, Mushkin, and even Kingston (on their other products) produces is guaranteed, in writing, for life. What you are telling people is not.
Your posts seek to discredit companies who stand by their product, make claims that cannot be proven, and that no one will take responsibility for.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not force that opinion on others who have not asked for it.

Thank you.

Many OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs DO NOT run stable at JEDEC 1.8V/5-5-5-15-2T. That warrants an "F" grade in my book since most boards will use the default JEDEC 1.8Vdimm @ POST.

Intel chips do come with different VID. However, the trend is always lesss voltage for the same rated speed. Why? Because of advancement in fabrication technology requiring less heat, less voltage, and potentially higher overclock.

No one can guarantee how far an IC can be overclocked. However, superior DDR2 800 memory ICs will run well at JEDEC 1.8V and be able to crack 500MHz with only 2.0 to 2.1Vdimm. Can you guarantee that an OCZ DDR2 800 module is stable at 500MHz? Of course not.


Golden Rules for overclocking:

1. Lowest voltage
2. Lowest heat output to achieve a target clock speed

Why buy 2.0-2.1V/5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 OCZ RAMs when one can secure 1.8V/5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 Crucial or Kingston RAMs? The $ saved on fancy heat spreader is put into the ICs.

 

[The-Noid]

Serpent please take this seriously.

Your thinly veiled suggestions that everyone else is stupid and makes poor purchases are false and your posts to discredit others tiresome.

I can only imagine how terribly difficult it is to deal with you on a daily basis in real life, but my guess is you have as much time to post as you do, because no one will deal with you in real life.

I walk away from this forum learning from my mistakes and inaccuracies, and knowing that, while I was am not perfect on this forum, I am not insulting and sanctimonious. You should take a lesson from myself and the others around here.

 

[The-Noid]

VID has nothing to do with overclocking. I have had many "golden" vid chips 1.0000-1.1500v VID that clocked worse than their 1.325v VID brothers.

Everything in the world of overclocking is random, anyone who tells you different is wrong.

Look at how many people get a chip from a supposed terrible batch that overclocks like a champ.

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ
Mr. Royal,

What works for you, works for you. I am glad you are happy with your purchases.

To tell everyone that they can replicate your results with every kit of XYZ ram that is in production is, quite probably, not true.
Are you going to give your personal guarantee, that every kit will perform as you say it will?
Will you take responsibility and explain to someone why they can't achieve your results? Will you refund their money or send them a new pair?

Every claim printed on a kit of ram that Corsair, G-Skill, OCZ, Mushkin, and even Kingston (on their other products) produces is guaranteed, in writing, for life. What you are telling people is not.
Your posts seek to discredit companies who stand by their product, make claims that cannot be proven, and that no one will take responsibility for.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not force that opinion on others who have not asked for it.

Thank you.

Many OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs DO NOT run stable at JEDEC 1.8V/5-5-5-15-2T. That warrants an "F" grade in my book since most boards will use the default JEDEC 1.8Vdimm @ POST.

Intel chips do come with different VID. However, the trend is always lesss voltage for the same rated speed. Why? Because of advancement in fabrication technology requiring less heat, less voltage, and potentially higher overclock.

No one can guarantee how far an IC can be overclocked. However, superior DDR2 800 memory ICs will run well at JEDEC 1.8V and be able to crack 500MHz with only 2.0 to 2.1Vdimm. Can you guarantee that an OCZ DDR2 800 module is stable at 500MHz? Of course not.


Golden Rules for overclocking:

1. Lowest voltage
2. Lowest heat output to achieve a target clock speed

Why buy 2.0-2.1V/5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 OCZ RAMs when one can secure 1.8V/5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 Crucial or Kingston RAMs? The $ saved on fancy heat spreader is put into the ICs.

Also, OCZ changed the JEDEC specs to the correct 5-5-518(YOU POST THIS WRONG EVERY TIME, READ JEDEC.ORG) @ 667 mhz. The memories you were/are talking about are D9's that were run above their JEDEC specs and had deteriorated because of increased voltage.

You keep rehashing and rehashing the same argument that is literally 2 years old at this point.

Find me a set of OCZ memory now that doesn't boot with the correct JEDEC Standard Timings of 5-5-5-18 @ 667.

FYI JEDEC STANDARDS:

3-3-3-9 @ 200 mhz
4-4-4-13 @ 270 mhz
5-5-5-18 @ 333 mhz
5-5-5-18 @ 400 mhz
7-7-7-21 @ 533 mhz (not final, subject to change and final approval)

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Ahhh...so now we're splitting hair between 5-5-5-15 and 5-5-5-18. Plenty of difference between posting and running stable with 1.8V @ rated speed...NOOB. There are plenly of cases where OCZ RAMs will not POST with 1.8V default. That's why some Gigatyte boards use 2.0-2.1Vdimm as the default RAM voltage.

 

[The-Noid]

Your major point is JEDEC timings and you don't understand them in the least.

There are numerous JEDEC timings and companies have figured out that it is best to keep them the lowest i.e. 533 or 667 @ 5-5-5-18.

Timings are manually set via the user and motherboard so as long as the ram boots on the 1:1 divider (which is the default on all Intel DDR2 Boards, 1:2 for DDR3 boards).

Your point is moot as new versions of OCZ have accomplished this. Please post links to Gigabyte boards posting for the first time with 2.0-2.1v vDIMM as measured by a Fluke DMM that has been calibrated in the last 30 days (I can make ridiculous requests as you always do, because you know no one will accomplish this.) If you can not accomplish this you have lied as usual.

I was also one of the first advocates of lowering the JEDEC SPD timing because I understand of what I speak.

The OCZ ram boots on first boot and many other boots, but as the D9GMH/D9GKX IC's "degrade" it becomes harder and harder for an IC that is rated at 667 5-5-5-18 to boot at the SPD of 5-5-5-18 @ 800. JEDEC timings are booted first, then the motherboard changes timings and raises voltage, this causes the problem, as this happens after it boots the default SPD at the highest level and @ voltages ranging from 1.71v-1.85v via DMM. You can read my numerous posts over the months that have advocated and shown actual evidence (which you have not done in a single post) to correct this issue.

OCZ and other companies have listened and changed the SPD to 667 so that the ram will boot more often.

Any questions feel free to message me.

You need to do some reading before you criticize companies and engineers that know significantly more than you and have first hand experience.

You buy value ram and cheap processors, please stay on topic with questions that are far above your experience and knowledge.

Thanks.

 

[ryderOCZ]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Ahhh...so now we're splitting hair between 5-5-5-15 and 5-5-5-18. Plenty of difference between posting and running stable with 1.8V @ rated speed...NOOB. There are plenly of cases where OCZ RAMs will not POST with 1.8V default. That's why some Gigatyte boards use 2.0-2.1Vdimm as the default RAM voltage.

If this happens...we replace them...its part of the GUARANTEE.

I/We/OCZ, GUARANTEE, every pair of ram modules we build, to POST into the bios at board defaults (1.8V on most boards, unless modified by the bios engineers).

Thank you.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: zsero
Its really great to read so many responses, thank you for every information.
For me, 2 x 2 GB is a must, since I would like work under XP x64 under 3D DCC applications and soon I will need to upgrade to 8 GB.
So far, I live Europe and here not every RAM are avaible, for example G.Skill is not an option for me.
I would like to overclock my Q6600@3600, do you think I would get any performance gain at 4*850 over 9*800 for _real_world_ applications? I mean I dont care about synthetic memory test, I would like to get a reliable 3D workstation and free-time gaming machine.

I have the following options here:
Corsair TwinX2 4096 DHX, DDR800
Geil Ultra, Black Dragon, Evo One, DDR800 and DDR1066
OCZ crazy named DDR800 modules and the new ReaperX DDR1000
Super Talent DDR800

www.memoryc.com

They ship worldwide and are based out of the UK i believe. They carry GSkill, CellShock, Mushkin, OCZ, Geil, Team, Patriot.

All top brands.

Cellshock is a littleknown memory company out of Germany I think, they sell highly overclockable memory.

DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB kit) list

DDR2-1000 4GB Kits

DDR2-1066 4GB kits


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