Religion rising on campus

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The 18% of those under 30 who don't believe that Jesus existed must all be on Anandtech.

Very possibly the case.

Most likely because they know a bit more about Computers than the general public and most likely believe in Science unlike the Religious Republicans.

 

[Vic]

This whole "no intelligent person would believe in God" is pathetically illogical. It implies that our ancestors were less intelligent than we are today and we know for fact that that is not true.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic
This whole "no intelligent person would believe in God" is pathetically illogical. It implies that our ancestors were less intelligent than we are today and we know for fact that that is not true.

Judging by last November, fact is it is true that we are dumber than our ancestors.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
This whole "no intelligent person would believe in God" is pathetically illogical. It implies that our ancestors were less intelligent than we are today and we know for fact that that is not true.

Judging by last November, fact is it is true that we are dumber than our ancestors.

I wouldn't say that either. But we are certainly repeating all the same mistakes over and over again. And I expect that we will continue to do so.


As for yourself, Dave, I strongly suggest that you audit some logic courses at your local community college. Might do you some good

 

[Gigantopithecus]

1. Freshmen aren't college students. They're high school students + a few months.
2. Which 236 colleges & universities? Each state has only a handful of major public universities, and dozens if not hundreds of small, private (often affiliated with a religion) colleges.
3. What exactly is the point of this?

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The 18% of those under 30 who don't believe that Jesus existed must all be on Anandtech.

Are you sure that it is "don't believe he existed" or is it "don't believe he was the son of God"? I'm an Atheist, but I still believe he existed...

 

[Kipper]

The problem with this trend is that moving away from mainstream religion to spirituality encourages incredibly liberal and somewhat bizzarre interpretations of scriptural text, which can ultimately lead to mild or pronounced forms of evangelism - and as many of us know, evanglistic religion tends to go overboard and is at times VERY intolerant - in whatever form. Let it go as far as to say that I so far have only had problems with nonaffiliated, independent religious persons - never have any strictly sectarian individuals shoved their faiths into my face.

But that is just personal experience - I'm not claiming any truths from it or anything.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The 18% of those under 30 who don't believe that Jesus existed must all be on Anandtech.

Are you sure that it is "don't believe he existed" or is it "don't believe he was the sone of God"? I'm an Atheist, but I still believe he existed...

I heard or read those figures someplace but I haven't found documentation for it yet.

I did find this:

Did Jesus really exist?

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Vic
This whole "no intelligent person would believe in God" is pathetically illogical. It implies that our ancestors were less intelligent than we are today and we know for fact that that is not true.

By intellegent would you mean learned knowlege or the intrinsic ablity to reason?

And believeing in God involves logic in what way?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Vic
This whole "no intelligent person would believe in God" is pathetically illogical. It implies that our ancestors were less intelligent than we are today and we know for fact that that is not true.

By intellegent would you mean learned knowlege or the intrinsic ablity to reason?

And believeing in God involves logic in what way?

Intelligence is generally defined as the intrinsic ablity to reason whilebeing educated would be learned knowledge. But you can't even say that our ancestors were generally uneducated as many of them were very educated, even by today's standards. I would say that they were less informed in the natural sciences that we take for granted today.

I was not discussing the logic or illogic of believing or not believing in God, I was discussing the fallacy that no intelligent person would believe in God.

If you want to discuss the logic of believing in God, I will end this quickly by saying that it is every bit as logical as believing that there is no God. Either way involves faith as there is no evidence either for or against. Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The 18% of those under 30 who don't believe that Jesus existed must all be on Anandtech.

Are you sure that it is "don't believe he existed" or is it "don't believe he was the sone of God"? I'm an Atheist, but I still believe he existed...

I heard or read those figures someplace but I haven't found documentation for it yet.

I did find this:

Did Jesus really exist?

Which is pretty much a worthless poll.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The 18% of those under 30 who don't believe that Jesus existed must all be on Anandtech.

Are you sure that it is "don't believe he existed" or is it "don't believe he was the sone of God"? I'm an Atheist, but I still believe he existed...

I heard or read those figures someplace but I haven't found documentation for it yet.

I did find this:

Did Jesus really exist?

Which is pretty much a worthless poll.

There is historical evidence that Yeshua ben Yusef of Nazareth did exist around the time the Gospels said he did and was a religious teacher.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Vic
There is historical evidence that Yeshua ben Yusef of Nazareth did exist around the time the Gospels said he did and was a religious teacher.

Yes, there is. And I've never denied that. I just deny (and there is evidence to support) that he was the Christ divine as many think the Bible says (which it doesn't.)

But, re: this poll. This could be a good thing as long as people don't take their beliefs too far. Doesn't seem like these kids are of the same belief system as the extremist Christians, though.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, there is. And I've never denied that. I just deny (and there is evidence to support) that he was the Christ divine as many think the Bible says (which it doesn't.)

But, re: this poll. This could be a good thing as long as people don't take their beliefs too far. Doesn't seem like these kids are of the same belief system as the extremist Christians, though.

Okay, that's fine. I don't believe that Jesus was God either (and He said as much, as you alluded). I simply believe that He was a great religious teacher.

And yes, there is a growing number of believers that no longer participate in the organized churches. I've known about this for some time and applaud it.

 

[Martin]

If yelling "oh god" while doing it counts as prayer, and going on a Salvia trip counts as searching for divinity, then I cannot dispute these findings

 

[fornax]

80% of college students attend religious services? While UCLA is a respected university, I have hard time believing that (and I'm in everyday contact with college students). I wonder if they count going to the pub or having sex as a "religous service"?

 

[joshw10]

Ok, I go to what is considered a fairly moderate university, if anything conservative leaning, and maybe 1 in 20 attend religious services? And not every week.

80% you gotta be kidding me ....10% max here

 

[Riprorin]

Jesus most certainly claimed to be devine.


Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

I worship a risen Savior, not just another dead guy.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, there is. And I've never denied that. I just deny (and there is evidence to support) that he was the Christ divine as many think the Bible says (which it doesn't.)

But, re: this poll. This could be a good thing as long as people don't take their beliefs too far. Doesn't seem like these kids are of the same belief system as the extremist Christians, though.

Okay, that's fine. I don't believe that Jesus was God either (and He said as much, as you alluded). I simply believe that He was a great religious teacher.

Ayup. But he was a bit different, a bit more radical in his attempts to take away some (if not all) of the power held by the Jewish high priests. Jesus was attempting to merge the priestly and royal lines and do away unnecessary ritual and priests as, essentially, middle men.

And yes, there is a growing number of believers that no longer participate in the organized churches. I've known about this for some time and applaud it.

There seems to be a bit of an enigma in this, though. While organized religion is seen less and less as a valuable institution, many people are flocking to mega churches that are rather open in their preaching and don't follow strict rituals. More of the fair-weather Jesus fans going to Six Flags Over Jesus churches that hold like 10,000 people. They get their Sunday-morning feel-goods and think they've done their duty. That's not religion and that's not faith. That's fraud but people fall for it, hence the oft-used term, "sheep". I think you and I both would like to see a move more toward personal spirituality in lieu of scripted sermons.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Jesus most certainly claimed to be devine.


Jesus said that he existed before Abraham:

"Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV)

Jesus claimed that He was equal with God the Father:

"I and My Father are one" (NKJV).

He forgave sins:

"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, son, thy sins be forgiven thee."

To this the scribes replied:

"Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

Jesus said that he will preside at the last judgement:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Jesus declared that "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

When Peter said that Jesus was the Crist (the Messiah" he praises him:

Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.? Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.


Even Jesus' enemies recongnized His claims of divinity.

When Jesus asked why they wanted to stome him they replied:

"For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God"

I worship a risen Savior, not just another dead guy.

And, where in there does it say he called himself a god or divine? It doesn't. <sigh>

You really lack any capability of critical thought, don't you?


I'll pick this apart into shreds later.

 

[phantom309]

As long as they're learning to write clearly, think rationally, understand the scientific method, and appreciate the incredible body of knowledge our culture has amassed, I think it's great.
Some of the best, most effective human beings I've ever known have been profoundly spiritual. I just can't stand the ones who use Christianity as an excuse for closed-mindedness and ignorance, and the ones who blindly assume God approves of everything George Bush and America does.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: conjur
Maybe kids are realizing there's more to life than PS2 and AIM?

XBOX.

 

[piasabird]

I find it odd that some people equate religion to ignorance. Science in of itself is not the answer to everything. After science what about the development of upper reasoning and spirituality. Some people look at nature and see evolution and other people look at nature and see the handiwork of a caring and loving God. A person is hard pressed to be able to prove either one.

The big question is where did we come from and where are we going when we die?

Was there existence before we were born and is there some other form of existience after we die?

What makes us what we are?

Is it just some happenstance of nature or do we have a spirit?

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

I worship a risen Savior, not just another dead guy.

In your opinion, of course

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: phantom309
As long as they're learning to write clearly, think rationally, understand the scientific method, and appreciate the incredible body of knowledge our culture has amassed, I think it's great.
Some of the best, most effective human beings I've ever known have been profoundly spiritual.

I just can't stand the ones who use Christianity as an excuse for closed-mindedness and ignorance, and the ones who blindly assume God approves of everything George Bush and America does.

:thumbsup: